Zone1 Christianity and our founding fathers

[ding]

He did the best he could----like JOHN THE MIKVEH MAN

He did better than most.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ding, they are mostly allegations not evidence.

Evidence is people reporting that GW repeatedly walked in the parish garden during the communion so he did not have to partake. That is not implied to be a believer in Natural Rights.

You need to have a specific piece of advice for each Founder, which you don't.

The Founders were living more than 250 years ago.

What they thought then means nothing now. 'Originalism' as a political guidance is only that, now, and can be changed at any time.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Christianity and our founding fathers 240315 {post•224} ding 240315 Scaoff: Jefferson believed - the same as Christians believed - that the existence of the God of Nature …. dvng 240315 Scaoff00224


Christianity and our founding fathers 240317 {post•283}

Aquinas believed that the existence of the God of Abraham through revelation
was essential to the foundation of natural-rights.

Jefferson believed that the human pursuit through reason in the existence of a UNIVERSAL with absolutely nothing to do with a God of Abraham was essential to the foundation of natural-rights.

Jefferson is heretical to Christianity for his rational belief in God

Christianity and our founding fathers 240316 {post•269} ding Mar’24: Who cares? Was that relevant in any way to the founding of America? dvng 240316 Scaoff00269

Liz Cheney cares, St Ding. Liz Cheney really cares about Truth LAW and the future of our Republic

240317tdih; 'Just unacceptable': Mike Pence rips Trump after he calls Jan. 6 defendants 'hostages'

Trump demands immunity for 'events that cross the line' hours after 'bloodbath' comments

Hours after he set off a firestorm when he insisted during an Ohio rally there would be a "bloodbath" if he is not re-elected, Donald Trump took to his Truth Social platform to post an all-caps rant demanding complete presidential immunity once again. The issue of immunity for his actions...

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nfbw 240317 Vcaoff00283 to Scaoff00269

 

[irosie91]

Christianity and our founding fathers 240315 {post•224} ding 240315 Scaoff: Jefferson believed - the same as Christians believed - that the existence of the God of Nature …. dvng 240315 Scaoff00224


Christianity and our founding fathers 240317 {post•283}
Aquinas believed that the existence of the God of Abraham through revelation
was essential to the foundation of natural-rights.

Jefferson believed that the human pursuit through reason in the existence of a UNIVERSAL with absolutely nothing to do with a God of Abraham was essential to the foundation of natural-rights.

Jefferson is heretical to Christian for his rational belief in God.
ding Mar’24: Who cares? Was that relevant in any way to the founding of America? dvng 240316 Ccaoff00269

Liz Cheney cares, St Ding. Liz Cheney really cares about Truth LAW and the future of our Republic

240317tdih; 'Just unacceptable': Mike Pence rips Trump after he calls Jan. 6 defendants 'hostages'

Trump demands immunity for 'events that cross the line' hours after 'bloodbath' comments

Hours after he set off a firestorm when he insisted during an Ohio rally there would be a "bloodbath" if he is not re-elected, Donald Trump took to his Truth Social platform to post an all-caps rant demanding complete presidential immunity once again. The issue of immunity for his actions...

www.rawstory.com

I do not see the "blood bath" comment by Trump to be a THREAT based
on anything that he plans to effectuate----it is more like a
prediction of likely future events

 

[ding]

Ding, they are mostly allegations not evidence.

Evidence is people reporting that GW repeatedly walked in the parish garden during the communion so he did not have to partake. That is not implied to be a believer in Natural Rights.

You need to have a specific piece of advice for each Founder, which you don't.

The Founders were living more than 250 years ago.

What they thought then means nothing now. 'Originalism' as a political guidance is only that, now, and can be changed at any time.

How many more citations do you need? You've provided nothing but denial. Where are YOUR links?

https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3506&context=wlulr#:~:text=He once wrote: "The true,be limited without being lost."

Natural Rights - Online Lessons - Foundations of Our Constitution - Teach Democracy

The Declaration of Independence and Natural Rights Thomas Jefferson (Library of Congress) Thomas Jefferson, drawing on the current thinking of his time, used natural rights ideas to justify declaring independence from England. Thomas Jefferson, age 33, arrived in Philadelphia on June...

teachdemocracy.org

https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=2005&context=law_faculty_scholarship

Natural Law: The Basis of Moral Government

Every year U.S. citizens are bound by literally hundreds of new government mandates. As business owners can attest, it is difficult and expensive to comply with these constantly changing legal requirements – or even to keep track of them all! This is the very situation our Founding Fathers...

nccs.net

Founding Fathers and the Natural Law: A Study of the Source of our Legal Institutions, The

Where did the Founding Fathers get the principles upon which they established our government? What was the source of their faith? The bedrock of their convictions? What was the political evolution of our Constitution? The legal philosophy of our Bill of Rights? The discussion of these questions...

scholarship.law.nd.edu

Journal | Our Natural Rights | Liberty Journal

Associate Professor of Government Aaron S. Van Allen traces the philosophical inspirations of America’s Founding Fathers and the concept of natural human rights. …

www.liberty.edu

The Federalist Society

fedsoc.org

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25716882

The natural law in the minds of the founding fathers - Document - Gale Academic OneFile

<em>Gale</em> Academic OneFile includes The natural law in the minds of the founding fathers by William. C. Plouffe, Jr.. Click to explore.

go.gale.com

 

[NotfooledbyW]

How many more citations do you need?

All your citations in the world, do not overcome the difference between Jefferson and Aquinas based on their action

Jefferson took a light sword to Darth Vader Aquinas’ Catholic Church-State repression of natural rights under the divine author of natural law and lopped off its fucking head.

Jefferson was no Christian or part of our Christian heritage in the United States of America.

And that is why we have freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I do not see the "blood bath" comment by Trump to be a THREAT based
on anything that he plans to effectuate

You can affirm that face stating that he believes the 2020 election was not stolen and he will respect the will of the people in this one

 

[ding]

All your citations in the world, do not overcome the difference between Jefferson and Aquinas based on their action

Jefferson took a light sword to Darth Vader Aquinas’ Catholic Church-State repression of natural rights under the divine author of natural law and lopped off its fucking head.

Jefferson was no Christian or part of our Christian heritage in the United States of America.

And that is why we have freedom of religion, freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

Aquinas has nothing to do with this, dummy. And nothing you say will ever change the fact that the founding fathers believed that natural rights come from the creator. And that they believed the creator was moralistic, and providential. And that the creator's existence produces a causal relation to the world and why natural rights exist in the first place.

It's because of their beliefs in natural rights that they created a nation where freedom of religion exists. And they weren't trying to protect the government from religion, they were protecting religious freedom from the federal government. But militant atheists such as yourself never get that.

 

[irosie91]

Aquinas has nothing to do with the dummy. And nothing you say will ever change the fact that the founding fathers believed that natural rights come from the creator. And that they believed the creator was moralistic, and providential. And that the existence creator his causal relation to the world is why natural rights exist in the first place.

It's because of their beliefs in natural rights that they created a nation where freedom of religion exists.

Jefferson was just using the lingo of his time

 

[ding]

Jefferson was just using the lingo of his time

How so?

 

[irosie91]

How so?

the "we are endowed by the creator..... " thing----talking to
MAD GEORGE

 

[ding]

the "we are endowed by the creator..... " thing----talking to
MAD GEORGE

Actually it stems from his long held belief in a moralistic and providential creator.

https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3506&context=wlulr#:~:text=He%20once%20wrote%3A%20%22The%20true,be%20limited%20without%20being%20lost.%22

Thomas Jefferson, Nature’s God, and the Theological Foundations of Natural-Rights Republicanism (Chapter 3) - The Classical and Christian Origins of American Politics

The Classical and Christian Origins of American Politics - December 2022

www.cambridge.org

 

[irosie91]

Actually it stems from his long held belief in a moralistic and providential creator.

https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3506&context=wlulr#:~:text=He%20once%20wrote%3A%20%22The%20true,be%20limited%20without%20being%20lost.%22

Thomas Jefferson, Nature’s God, and the Theological Foundations of Natural-Rights Republicanism (Chapter 3) - The Classical and Christian Origins of American Politics

The Classical and Christian Origins of American Politics - December 2022

www.cambridge.org

yeah---that's what he said in POLITE SOCIETY----but not whilst kibitzing
with john and franklin

 

[ding]

yeah---that's what he said in POLITE SOCIETY----but not whilst kibitzing
with john and franklin

Sure, go ahead and make up whatever you want in life. I'm sure that won't have any consequences

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

How many more citations do you need? You've provided nothing but denial. Where are YOUR links?

https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3506&context=wlulr#:~:text=He once wrote: "The true,be limited without being lost."

Natural Rights - Online Lessons - Foundations of Our Constitution - Teach Democracy

The Declaration of Independence and Natural Rights Thomas Jefferson (Library of Congress) Thomas Jefferson, drawing on the current thinking of his time, used natural rights ideas to justify declaring independence from England. Thomas Jefferson, age 33, arrived in Philadelphia on June...

teachdemocracy.org

https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=2005&context=law_faculty_scholarship

Natural Law: The Basis of Moral Government

Every year U.S. citizens are bound by literally hundreds of new government mandates. As business owners can attest, it is difficult and expensive to comply with these constantly changing legal requirements – or even to keep track of them all! This is the very situation our Founding Fathers...

nccs.net

Founding Fathers and the Natural Law: A Study of the Source of our Legal Institutions, The

Where did the Founding Fathers get the principles upon which they established our government? What was the source of their faith? The bedrock of their convictions? What was the political evolution of our Constitution? The legal philosophy of our Bill of Rights? The discussion of these questions...

scholarship.law.nd.edu

Journal | Our Natural Rights | Liberty Journal

Associate Professor of Government Aaron S. Van Allen traces the philosophical inspirations of America’s Founding Fathers and the concept of natural human rights. …

www.liberty.edu

The Federalist Society

fedsoc.org

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25716882

The natural law in the minds of the founding fathers - Document - Gale Academic OneFile

<em>Gale</em> Academic OneFile includes The natural law in the minds of the founding fathers by William. C. Plouffe, Jr.. Click to explore.

go.gale.com

I only point out those are allegations but not evidence. You cannot prove every or most of the founders believed in Natural Law as you suggest.

 

[ding]

I only point out those are allegations but not evidence. You cannot prove every or most of the founders believed in Natural Law as you suggest.

It's up to you to prove at least one of them didn't as I have produced citations that they all did. Can you? Because it's your claim to prove.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Sure, go ahead and make up whatever you want in life. I'm sure that won't have any consequences

you need to follow your own advice. Try not, including Thomas Jefferson, Madison Adams and Washington, in what you refer to as the American Christian heritage.

Jefferson was as good as being an atheist to the white protestant Christian community he served two terms for president. Less than 1/5 of them were affiliated with any Christian church.

If believing our rights are derived from natural law under a universal god, then everybody a Christian. Including Saint CarsomyrPlusSix

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It's up to you to prove at least one of them didn't as I have produced citations that they all did. Can you? Because it's your claim to prove.

You have provided citations that alleged such, but have not proven so.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

How many Christians have died never knowing that their belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ was the only begotten son of God, was not truth and they always had a natural right to tell their priests or preachers, or whatever to go fuck themselves.

And that’s what Thomas Jefferson did and Saint ding wants us to believe he was a Christian by some kind of natural law default. That is absurd.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

You're really wound up, aren't you?

Doesn't matter. Jefferson believed in the existence of a providential, moralistic God of Nature. Whose existence and causal relation to the world is the source of natural-rights. Christians believe that too. All of the founding fathers believed that.

You’re a God of Abraham is not the universal being that Jefferson believed in. If you were here today, he would tell you the God of Abraham is a myth perpetuated by organized, religious crime, known as Catholics.