China tells Russia it will uphold 'impartial' position on Ukraine

[toomuchtime_]

If Russia pulled out tomorrow just what do you think would happen?

The fighting would end, Russian soldiers and Ukrainian soldiers and civilians would stop dying from the fighting, Russia would be relieved of the terrible financial burden of trying to finance the war, Russian factories would be able to go back to peacetime activities and Russia could try to restore relations with countries like India which now buy things from the West they used to buy from Russia.

All good things, but there could be no weakening of sanctions before security arrangements could be negotiated, no travel between Russia and Ukraine without visas, no Russian military bases in Crimea. Further, it is unlikely the friendly relations that existed between Russia and Europe before Putin began his imperialist rampages can be restored for at least generations, and Russia will not again have a seat at the councils of civilized nations until it accepts responsibility for its criminal acts and makes restitution.

Compared to the alternate of endless war Russia cannot afford, this is a good deal for Russia.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Russia isn't losing in any meaningful sense. Russia is just warming up.

Russia has expended decades of munitions production, hundreds of thousands military age males, a number of warships, shot out the lands of its artillery park, lost thousands of tanks and AFVs, hundreds of its most modern aircraft and gutted its financial reserves. If that isn’t losing, I don’t know what is.

 

[Nobody911]

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi told his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in a phone conversation on Monday that China would uphold an independent and impartial position on Ukraine as it strives to find a political settlement to the issue.

Wang's comments to Lavrov were announced in a Foreign Ministry statement on Monday that said China would be an "objective and rational voice" at any international multilateral forums and "actively promote peace talks".

The statement came after the ministry said earlier on Monday that international talks in Saudi Arabia at the weekend on finding a peaceful resolution to the Ukraine crisis had helped "to consolidate international consensus".

More than 40 countries, including China, India, the United States and European countries, but not Russia, took part in the Jeddah talks that ended on Sunday.

China sent its Special Envoy for Eurasian Affairs and former ambassador to Russia, Li Hui, who in May toured six European capitals to try to find common ground for an eventual political settlement of the conflict, now in its 18th month.

Beijing has refused to condemn Moscow for the invasion of Ukraine it launched in February 2022. It has offered its own peace plan, which received a lukewarm response in both Russia and Ukraine, while the United States and NATO were sceptical.

MSN

How long before Russia threatens to nuke China, too?

My views :

In a world where masks conceal the true face,
A player emerges, claiming to embrace grace.
But behind the smiles, lies a hidden game,
Mr. Peace Keeper, manipulating for personal gain.

With every word and gesture carefully choreographed,
Their true intentions shrouded, cleverly masked.
They paint a portrait of peace and tranquility,
Yet beneath the surface, seethes duplicity.

Their every move, an act upon the stage,
Playing the role to keep others engaged.
Yet the keen observer can sense the deception,
A play for power, built on false perception.

So beware, wary souls, of this charlatan's charm,
For their intentions might cause great harm.
In their pursuit to control and steer,
Peace becomes a tool, clouded and insincere...

Facts :

Source:
China Pledges Support for Myanmar’s Junta, ‘No Matter How the Situation Changes’ – The Diplomat – https://archive.ph/hev1J

 

[luiza]

, Russia would be relieved of the terrible financial burden of trying to finance the war, Russian factories would be able to go back to peacetime activities and Russia could try to restore relations with countries like India which now buy things from the West they used to buy from Russia.

Must say that when you post like that I wonder if you are just plain ignorant rather than a misguided Troll . You have no idea of the sanctions status which the whole sane world realises , with the ecception of Toomuchbooze, has been a resounding failure for the Nazi supporters, with Russia sanctions against the US and EU working hugely to their advantage .Russian GDP is up -- see IMF yesterday -- and the fall in the price of the ruble actually has gained new markets for Moscow with increaserd competitiveness in existing markets -- basic economics for a country that is self reliant in resources when required . I could continue but I always have to fight boredom when reading your garbage , let alone wasting my time replying to a half wit .

 

[Ringo]

So apparently ECOWAS has now the right to intervene militarily in Niger because of the overthrow of its elected President.
But why didn't Russia have the right to intervene militarily in Ukraine after Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was overthrown in 2014?

 

[Deadstick]

The fighting would end, Russian soldiers and Ukrainian soldiers and civilians would stop dying from the fighting, Russia would be relieved of the terrible financial burden of trying to finance the war, Russian factories would be able to go back to peacetime activities and Russia could try to restore relations with countries like India which now buy things from the West they used to buy from Russia.

All good things, but there could be no weakening of sanctions before security arrangements could be negotiated, no travel between Russia and Ukraine without visas, no Russian military bases in Crimea. Further, it is unlikely the friendly relations that existed between Russia and Europe before Putin began his imperialist rampages can be restored for at least generations, and Russia will not again have a seat at the councils of civilized nations until it accepts responsibility for its criminal acts and makes restitution.

Compared to the alternate of endless war Russia cannot afford, this is a good deal for Russia.

What would happen there would be genocide in Donbass against the Russian speakers and millions of refugees, it would make operation Storm in Croatia Krijina look like a tea party and Nato would be all along Ukraines western border with Russia, but Russia will not tolerate that, so dream on.

 

[toomuchtime_]

What would happen there would be genocide in Donbass against the Russian speakers and millions of refugees, it would make operation Storm in Croatia Krijina look like a tea party and Nato would be all along Ukraines western border with Russia, but Russia will not tolerate that, so dream on.

No, moron, the president of Ukraine is a Russian speaker, and there is no reason to believe Russian speakers in Ukraine or ethnic Russians in Ukraine favor rule by Putin's dictatorship.

There never was a battle between Russian speakers or ethnic Russians and Ukraine's army or police. The battles following the dismissal of Yanukovych were between Russian organized and armed militia that attacked government buildings and Ukrainian armed forces. Russia started this proxy war against Ukraine to create a pretext for the invasion.

 

[Deadstick]

No, moron, the president of Ukraine is a Russian speaker, and there is no reason to believe Russian speakers in Ukraine or ethnic Russians in Ukraine favor rule by Putin's dictatorship.

There never was a battle between Russian speakers or ethnic Russians and Ukraine's army or police. The battles following the dismissal of Yanukovych were between Russian organized and armed militia that attacked government buildings and Ukrainian armed forces. Russia started this proxy war against Ukraine to create a pretext for the invasion.

You sound bonkers, of course if there was genocide in Donbass you would say they asked for it, most people in Donbass are pro Russian you idiot. those Nazis in Kiev have been shelling them for 9 years.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You sound bonkers, of course if there was genocide in Donbass you would say they asked for it, most people in Donbass are pro Russian you idiot. those Nazis in Kiev have been shelling them for 9 years.

That's what Putin said but it was a lie. The last full census in Ukraine showed that ethnic Russians were a minority in all districts of Dombass and only a small majority in Crimea, and there is no reason to believe that ethnic Russians wanted to live under a Putin dictatorship. The whole world has rejected Putin's bullshit so how stupid can you be to still be touting it?

 

[Deadstick]

That's what Putin said but it was a lie. The last full census in Ukraine showed that ethnic Russians were a minority in all districts of Dombass and only a small majority in Crimea, and there is no reason to believe that ethnic Russians wanted to live under a Putin dictatorship. The whole world has rejected Putin's bullshit so how stupid can you be to still be touting it?

There is no Putin dictatorship you brainwashed clown, at the moment there is a Zelenskey dictatorship backed by the US, look at the electoral map from 2010 before the Coup, the big blue area is Donbass, overwhemingly for Yanukovych the so called pro Russian leader.

 

[Ringo]

I think that the putschists in Niger did not escape the irony of the arrival of the main organizer of the Ukromaidan, Victoria Nuland, to stop the putsch.
And despite her current cosmic status as the second person in the state department, she was roughly humiliated.

 

[Deadstick]

I think that the putschists in Niger did not escape the irony of the arrival of the main organizer of the Ukromaidan, Victoria Nuland, to stop the putsch.
And despite her current cosmic status as the second person in the state department, she was roughly humiliated.

Indeed what a joke, if it's good enough for Maidan it is for Niger, meanwhile three more civilians killed in Donetsk after another indiscriminante Nazi shelling.

https://s2.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/don-1-1-1.mp4?_=4

 

[Deadstick]

This is Ukraine today, a rump fascist State taking orders from Washington.

 

[Deadstick]

That's what Putin said but it was a lie. The last full census in Ukraine showed that ethnic Russians were a minority in all districts of Dombass and only a small majority in Crimea, and there is no reason to believe that ethnic Russians wanted to live under a Putin dictatorship. The whole world has rejected Putin's bullshit so how stupid can you be to still be touting it?

This is right from the Nazi pigs mouth.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There is no Putin dictatorship you brainwashed clown, at the moment there is a Zelenskey dictatorship backed by the US, look at the electoral map from 2010 before the Coup, the big blue area is Donbass, overwhemingly for Yanukovych

There is no Putin dictatorship you brainwashed clown, at the moment there is a Zelenskey dictatorship backed by the US, look at the electoral map from 2010 before the Coup, the big blue area is Donbass, overwhemingly for Yanukovych the so called pro Russian leader.

The blue is not the Donbass, moron. Only someone as stupid as you would claim Zelensky is a dictator. Again, only someone as stupid as your would claim there was a coup. Pull your head out of Putin's ass and maybe you will be able to see some part of the world.

 

[toomuchtime_]

This is right from the Nazi pigs mouth.

Absolutely everything Russian must be removed from Crimea, including all the Russian who moved there since 2014, and the Kerch bridge must be destroyed, and all the collaborators must be brought to trial.

 

[Ringo]

A child was killed as a result of shelling by Ukrainian artillery in the Petrovsky district of the capital of the DNR. This was reported in Telegram by the mayor of the city Alexei Kulemzin, reports the correspondent of "Donbass Today".
The tragedy occurred on the street Osoaviakhima - a girl born in 2019 was killed by shells of the AFU.
According to the JCCC, Ukrainian militants opened fire on the frontline neighborhood of Donetsk from Netailovo at 11:45 and from Shevchenko at 12:05, a total of nine missiles from MLRS were fired.

Gorlovka school was damaged due to shelling by Ukrainian artillery. This was reported by the city mayor, Ivan Prikhodko, in Telegram, the Donbass Segodnya correspondent reports.
According to him, the incident took place in the Central City district of the city, the building of secondary school No. 55 was damaged. The walls of the building were hit by shell fragments and the glazing was blown out.
According to the DNR JCCC, the shelling came from the town of Dzerzhynsk, from where three 152-mm shells were fired.

And this happens every day.

 

[Ringo]

Absolutely everything Russian must be removed from Crimea, including all the Russian who moved there since 2014, and the Kerch bridge must be destroyed, and all the collaborators must be brought to trial.

Sure, asshole. And Alaska should be returned to Russia, Florida to Spain, Texas and California to Mexico, and the 13 rebellious colonies to England.
And all of that together - to native аmericans.
So get in the "Mayflower" and fuck off back to Europe.

 

[Unkotare]

... the China/Russia alliance is set in stone. ...

 

[luiza]

That's what Putin said but it was a lie. The last full census in Ukraine showed that ethnic Russians were a minority in all districts of Dombass and only a small majority in Crimea, and there is no reason to believe that ethnic Russians wanted to live under a Putin dictatorship. The whole world has rejected Putin's bullshit so how stupid can you be to still be touting it?

Obvious lies are a mark of very amateur Trolling , Toomuchbooze. Bet you use US Fact Checkers , ROFL .