Chicago: Nip It In The Bud

[AceRothstein]

But here's the fun part. Guilty or not....there's gonna be a riot. The rest of Chicago PD will be smeared. And CPD is gonna stand down just like Baltimore and Ferguson.

You thought Chi town was bad before....you ain't seen nothing yet!!!

There will not be a riot.

 

[bucs90]

right up until he shoots a man on the ground you have a point.
once shot, on the ground, and only armed with a 3" knife there's no reason to shoot him some more.
what may have started as a justified shooting ended with murder.

No. You got to give the officer some leeway. He was pumped up and firing a semi automatic weapon. In the heat of the moment it is easy to empty a magazine in a fraction of a moment.

You have to evaluate the shooting in its totality. You cannot break it down into segments.

What you are talking about is science. The parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system. Adrenaline dumps. The "fog" of stressful conflict. It's why cops or soldiers can shoot 10-20 rounds and when asked say they shot 4 or 5. Brain just dumb down and reacts.

But libs refuse to even discuss this science. It's the same science that can cause a thug robbing a gas station to fire a shot and kill the clerk....and later say they don't remember it or didn't mean to. 50% chance they really didnt. Brain just does crazy shit under high stress.

he shot a guy lying on the ground repeatedly - after shooting him when he didn't pose an imminent threat.

i don't doubt that it's easy to keep squeezing that trigger in those situations, i just think that when you change your aim to shoot at a guy on the ground it's a little different than firing into the same place repeatedly.

Meh....they train to keep sights on target.

But....just watched the video. It was a bad shoot. The first couple I was okay with legally...although morally a taser would've been more appropriate.

But the threat dropped. You must stop shooting once the threat is down. I can understand one or two "heat of the moment" continuation shots. But not that.

This cop threw himself under the bus.




That said....pass the popcorn. A good riot is gonna break out!!

 

[aris2chat]

Every time I see people in the streets yell about black lives matter I want to tune out or channel yet where are the mobs saying police lives matter or white lives matter?
If black lives matter, why are most blacks killed by other blacks? Why are most crimes committed by blacks? Why are so many gangs made up of black? Why is gangsta rap so popular if black lives matter so much?

Teach them to speak english so they can compete in the real world. Stress higher grades in school. Stress community service. Stress the importance of following the law, cooperating with law enforcement and non-violence.

Make black lives matter. Right now black lives only really matter as a publicity stunt for TV cameras. When black lives really matter to blacks for the right reasons, they will matter to everyone else.

 

[ogibillm]

Every time I see people in the streets yell about black lives matter I want to tune out or channel yet where are the mobs saying police lives matter or white lives matter?
If black lives matter, why are most blacks killed by other blacks? Why are most crimes committed by blacks? Why are so many gangs made up of black? Why is gangsta rap so popular if black lives matter so much?

Teach them to speak english so they can compete in the real world. Stress higher grades in school. Stress community service. Stress the importance of following the law, cooperating with law enforcement and non-violence.

Make black lives matter. Right now black lives only really matter as a publicity stunt for TV cameras. When black lives really matter to blacks for the right reasons, they will matter to everyone else.

so it's okay for cops to murder black teens?

 

[ogibillm]

right up until he shoots a man on the ground you have a point.
once shot, on the ground, and only armed with a 3" knife there's no reason to shoot him some more.
what may have started as a justified shooting ended with murder.

No. You got to give the officer some leeway. He was pumped up and firing a semi automatic weapon. In the heat of the moment it is easy to empty a magazine in a fraction of a moment.

You have to evaluate the shooting in its totality. You cannot break it down into segments.

What you are talking about is science. The parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system. Adrenaline dumps. The "fog" of stressful conflict. It's why cops or soldiers can shoot 10-20 rounds and when asked say they shot 4 or 5. Brain just dumb down and reacts.

But libs refuse to even discuss this science. It's the same science that can cause a thug robbing a gas station to fire a shot and kill the clerk....and later say they don't remember it or didn't mean to. 50% chance they really didnt. Brain just does crazy shit under high stress.

he shot a guy lying on the ground repeatedly - after shooting him when he didn't pose an imminent threat.

i don't doubt that it's easy to keep squeezing that trigger in those situations, i just think that when you change your aim to shoot at a guy on the ground it's a little different than firing into the same place repeatedly.

Meh....they train to keep sights on target.

But....just watched the video. It was a bad shoot. The first couple I was okay with legally...although morally a taser would've been more appropriate.

But the threat dropped. You must stop shooting once the threat is down. I can understand one or two "heat of the moment" continuation shots. But not that.

This cop threw himself under the bus.




That said....pass the popcorn. A good riot is gonna break out!!

i could almost give a pass on the first few shots, even though there is no real threat and there certainly wasn't one that warranted lethal force - but that's a lot easier to say in hindsight.
but once he's down to keep firing - that's not about stopping a threat that's about killing a guy - and that's murder.

 

[bucs90]

Every time I see people in the streets yell about black lives matter I want to tune out or channel yet where are the mobs saying police lives matter or white lives matter?
If black lives matter, why are most blacks killed by other blacks? Why are most crimes committed by blacks? Why are so many gangs made up of black? Why is gangsta rap so popular if black lives matter so much?

Teach them to speak english so they can compete in the real world. Stress higher grades in school. Stress community service. Stress the importance of following the law, cooperating with law enforcement and non-violence.

Make black lives matter. Right now black lives only really matter as a publicity stunt for TV cameras. When black lives really matter to blacks for the right reasons, they will matter to everyone else.

so it's okay for cops to murder black teens?

No its not.

But the other 400 blacks murder in Chicago this year...barely got a yawn. This one is gonna generate global coverage

 

[AvgGuyIA]

White supremacists like we're reading here - They're just human garbage.

If the cop had been black and the kid white, they've be singing a completely different tune.

The cop gunned down a black kid, for no reason other than being black.

The officer did society a favor

No Class Assy -

We really do need to lynch white supremacists.

The culture would be so much better off without slime like those who believe murder is okay as long as the victim is black.

I'll buy the rope.

You appear to be the only once to be making any sort of racial bias allegations, Luddy. You are such a cute widdle man!!!

Liar. Both you and NoClassAssy made reference to race.

The world would be a better place if we were lynching all white supremacists. Just string them up, get rid of them and burn down their trailers.

Projection. And you're a fool. White or black, that crazed young man should be dropped. The cop acted responsibly.

 

[ogibillm]

Every time I see people in the streets yell about black lives matter I want to tune out or channel yet where are the mobs saying police lives matter or white lives matter?
If black lives matter, why are most blacks killed by other blacks? Why are most crimes committed by blacks? Why are so many gangs made up of black? Why is gangsta rap so popular if black lives matter so much?

Teach them to speak english so they can compete in the real world. Stress higher grades in school. Stress community service. Stress the importance of following the law, cooperating with law enforcement and non-violence.

Make black lives matter. Right now black lives only really matter as a publicity stunt for TV cameras. When black lives really matter to blacks for the right reasons, they will matter to everyone else.

so it's okay for cops to murder black teens?

No its not.

But the other 400 blacks murder in Chicago this year...barely got a yawn. This one is gonna generate global coverage

is it really that strange that people expect criminals to act like criminals but want their police force to have a higher standard?

 

[AceRothstein]

Anyone who things that's a good shoot needs to get their head examined.

 

[ogibillm]

White supremacists like we're reading here - They're just human garbage.

If the cop had been black and the kid white, they've be singing a completely different tune.

The cop gunned down a black kid, for no reason other than being black.

The officer did society a favor

No Class Assy -

We really do need to lynch white supremacists.

The culture would be so much better off without slime like those who believe murder is okay as long as the victim is black.

I'll buy the rope.

You appear to be the only once to be making any sort of racial bias allegations, Luddy. You are such a cute widdle man!!!

Liar. Both you and NoClassAssy made reference to race.

The world would be a better place if we were lynching all white supremacists. Just string them up, get rid of them and burn down their trailers.

Projection. And you're a fool. White or black, that crazed young man should be dropped. The cop acted responsibly.

why? he didn't attack them. he wasn't threatening anyone.

but even if you think it was responsible to use lethal force on him initially, why do you think it's okay to continue to shoot someone as they lay wounded on the ground?

 

[skookerasbil]

one less savage = winning

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Every time I see people in the streets yell about black lives matter I want to tune out or channel yet where are the mobs saying police lives matter or white lives matter?
If black lives matter, why are most blacks killed by other blacks? Why are most crimes committed by blacks? Why are so many gangs made up of black? Why is gangsta rap so popular if black lives matter so much?

Teach them to speak english so they can compete in the real world. Stress higher grades in school. Stress community service. Stress the importance of following the law, cooperating with law enforcement and non-violence.

Make black lives matter. Right now black lives only really matter as a publicity stunt for TV cameras. When black lives really matter to blacks for the right reasons, they will matter to everyone else.

so it's okay for cops to murder black teens?

Murder is harsh language. There has been no conviction. I don't think there will be one.

 

[bucs90]

Every time I see people in the streets yell about black lives matter I want to tune out or channel yet where are the mobs saying police lives matter or white lives matter?
If black lives matter, why are most blacks killed by other blacks? Why are most crimes committed by blacks? Why are so many gangs made up of black? Why is gangsta rap so popular if black lives matter so much?

Teach them to speak english so they can compete in the real world. Stress higher grades in school. Stress community service. Stress the importance of following the law, cooperating with law enforcement and non-violence.

Make black lives matter. Right now black lives only really matter as a publicity stunt for TV cameras. When black lives really matter to blacks for the right reasons, they will matter to everyone else.

so it's okay for cops to murder black teens?

No its not.

But the other 400 blacks murder in Chicago this year...barely got a yawn. This one is gonna generate global coverage

is it really that strange that people expect criminals to act like criminals but want their police force to have a higher standard?

Not at all.

And police do have a higher standard. They work 280 billion hours of collective cop work a year....in societys worst situations ans worst people...while armed. And the odds of being shot and killed by a cop is incredibly tiny....like 0.00001%.

So comparing total amount of cops/work done vs. Incredibly tiny odds of being shot by a cop.....I'd say they live up to the standard very well.

A cop shooting is like a golf hole-in-one. VERY rare relative to amount of golf played in America....but when it happens everyone knows it.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

White supremacists like we're reading here - They're just human garbage.

If the cop had been black and the kid white, they've be singing a completely different tune.

The cop gunned down a black kid, for no reason other than being black.

The officer did society a favor

No Class Assy -

We really do need to lynch white supremacists.

The culture would be so much better off without slime like those who believe murder is okay as long as the victim is black.

I'll buy the rope.

You appear to be the only once to be making any sort of racial bias allegations, Luddy. You are such a cute widdle man!!!

Liar. Both you and NoClassAssy made reference to race.

The world would be a better place if we were lynching all white supremacists. Just string them up, get rid of them and burn down their trailers.

Projection. And you're a fool. White or black, that crazed young man should be dropped. The cop acted responsibly.

why? he didn't attack them. he wasn't threatening anyone.

but even if you think it was responsible to use lethal force on him initially, why do you think it's okay to continue to shoot someone as they lay wounded on the ground?

He didn't attack him because the cop dropped him before he did any damage.

 

[ogibillm]

White supremacists like we're reading here - They're just human garbage.

If the cop had been black and the kid white, they've be singing a completely different tune.

The cop gunned down a black kid, for no reason other than being black.

No Class Assy -

We really do need to lynch white supremacists.

The culture would be so much better off without slime like those who believe murder is okay as long as the victim is black.

I'll buy the rope.

You appear to be the only once to be making any sort of racial bias allegations, Luddy. You are such a cute widdle man!!!

Liar. Both you and NoClassAssy made reference to race.

The world would be a better place if we were lynching all white supremacists. Just string them up, get rid of them and burn down their trailers.

Projection. And you're a fool. White or black, that crazed young man should be dropped. The cop acted responsibly.

why? he didn't attack them. he wasn't threatening anyone.

but even if you think it was responsible to use lethal force on him initially, why do you think it's okay to continue to shoot someone as they lay wounded on the ground?

He didn't attack him because the cop dropped him before he did any damage.

He dropped him before he did anything aggressive.

Then he kept on shooting

 

[aris2chat]

Every time I see people in the streets yell about black lives matter I want to tune out or channel yet where are the mobs saying police lives matter or white lives matter?
If black lives matter, why are most blacks killed by other blacks? Why are most crimes committed by blacks? Why are so many gangs made up of black? Why is gangsta rap so popular if black lives matter so much?

Teach them to speak english so they can compete in the real world. Stress higher grades in school. Stress community service. Stress the importance of following the law, cooperating with law enforcement and non-violence.

Make black lives matter. Right now black lives only really matter as a publicity stunt for TV cameras. When black lives really matter to blacks for the right reasons, they will matter to everyone else.

so it's okay for cops to murder black teens?

Lives matter, not just black lives. Blacks need to care about there community and their children if they expect others to care. Lives not just deaths need to matter.

If the only real time blacks care is when someone is killed by a cop, it is a failing of the black community. They need to care years before a black person and police come to some conflict that results in any violence.

Blacks need to work with police not just protest against them. Not riot in the streets, not turn into a violent mob.

If black lives matter in chicago, why did the victim have a knife in the first place or have a confrontation in the first place?

A few bad cops compared to hundreds of thousand of violent crimes committed by blacks each year?

If black lives matter, teach them how to act peacefully and within the law.

 

[skookerasbil]

I saw the video. There was no "rampaging".

Bottom line is that cops are not and should not be judge, jury and executioner. The cop murdered a man and needs to pay the price for that.

right up until he shoots a man on the ground you have a point.
once shot, on the ground, and only armed with a 3" knife there's no reason to shoot him some more.
what may have started as a justified shooting ended with murder.

No. You got to give the officer some leeway. He was pumped up and firing a semi automatic weapon. In the heat of the moment it is easy to empty a magazine in a fraction of a moment.

You have to evaluate the shooting in its totality. You cannot break it down into segments.

WHAT??

He was "pumped up" so it was okay to murder the kid? A trained cop can't control his own gun?

If that's true then NO civilian should ever own a gun.

The "totality" is that the cop murdered a kid in the street. If Illinois is a capital punishment state, I hope he gets the death penalty that he chose to mete out to the kid.

The OP is racist slime. If the dead kid were white and the cop black, his rant would be completely different. Face it - equal rights under the law.

fAiL s0n....then go live in a society where you can go do anything the fuck you want. In the meantime, we non-zombies like the way law enforcement handled this one.

Assholes like this knucklehead fail in the connect the dots exercise. This savage may well have knifed somebody else to death without the decisive action taken by the police. Worse, the guy gets locked up for a couple or years for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest and comes back on the street and stabs a dozen people to death. No thanks..........the progressive limpwristers can take their circus side-show and form their own beautiful country and call it Scratchmyassville USA. HAPPY NOW!!!

 

[ogibillm]

I saw the video. There was no "rampaging".

Bottom line is that cops are not and should not be judge, jury and executioner. The cop murdered a man and needs to pay the price for that.

right up until he shoots a man on the ground you have a point.
once shot, on the ground, and only armed with a 3" knife there's no reason to shoot him some more.
what may have started as a justified shooting ended with murder.

No. You got to give the officer some leeway. He was pumped up and firing a semi automatic weapon. In the heat of the moment it is easy to empty a magazine in a fraction of a moment.

You have to evaluate the shooting in its totality. You cannot break it down into segments.

WHAT??

He was "pumped up" so it was okay to murder the kid? A trained cop can't control his own gun?

If that's true then NO civilian should ever own a gun.

The "totality" is that the cop murdered a kid in the street. If Illinois is a capital punishment state, I hope he gets the death penalty that he chose to mete out to the kid.

The OP is racist slime. If the dead kid were white and the cop black, his rant would be completely different. Face it - equal rights under the law.

fAiL s0n....then go live in a society where you can go do anything the fuck you want. In the meantime, we non-zombies like the way law enforcement handled this one.

Assholes like this knucklehead fail in the connect the dots exercise. This savage may well have knifed somebody else to death without the decisive action taken by the police. Worse, the guy gets locked up for a couple or years for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest and comes back on the street and stabs a dozen people to death. No thanks..........the progressive limpwristers can take their circus side-show and form their own beautiful country and call it Scratchmyassville USA. HAPPY NOW!!!

Are you really advocating that police perform the jobs of judge, jury, and executioner?

 

[skookerasbil]

And by the way.........only in the internet zombie zone do people care about this black lives matter shit anymore. Nobody gives a rats ass, in fact, a large majority of Americans are sick and tired of the black victimization crap and it gets reinforced every single time they see a savage who deserves to get his ass shot off become a martyr for some crack-head group of racists.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

The poor bastard who shot and killed the maniac was charged with first degree today in Chicago, becoming the latest victim of Political Correctness run amok.

There is a video. Here's what we know. A negro high out of his mind on PCP was rampaging down the middle of a public road at night while clearly wielding a knife. A cop dash cam films the perp from behind. Reinforcements pull up in front of the perp and to his left. They exit and demand that he stop. No response. They pull their guns and order him to stop. He continues to advance. He is acting erratically and the police have reason to think he is whacked out of his brain. That coupled with the asshole clearly being armed with a deadly weapon, creates a clear and present danger to the public. He would not stop. He would not obey orders from police. A reasonable person could conclude that he could not be stopped and arrested with being attacked by the perp with deadly force.

The police owed a duty to the public to shoot this fucker and bring him down.

The video is highly misleading as the angle at which it was filmed masks the true orientation of the shooting officer and the perp. If you view the video several times with an objective mind you will conclude that the officer saw a menacing PCP whack job wielding a knife advancing on his position.

Also, what was the cop's alternative? Arrest the drug freak? More than likely the cop would have suffered a knife attack and been wounded or killed. Just let him go and keep a close eye on him? Of course not. Criminals do not get to write their own script or have free reign on the street. As I said, even if the shooting officer's life was not in danger (though I believe it was and that a reasonable person in his position would likewise believe it), the public was clearly in danger. Since this punk bastard could probably not have been apprehended peacefully (cops are NOT required to get attacked prior to using deadly force) shooting him was in order and clearly justified.

Is 16 shots too many shot? Not necessarily. It happens all the time. If you are justified in using deadly force, then you are cleared to take down the perp regardless of how many shots you take. Cop are NOT required to limit their shots to wait and see if the perp may still attack him. Cops are NOT required to deliver shot to non-vital areas, like the arms or legs.

Rahm Emanuel, a former Obama Gestapo head, is a leftist turd who has decided to throw this white police officer and his family under the bus so as to not run afoul of BLM and the PC fascists. In other words, he has chosen to destroy a good man and his family in favor of a worthless PCP junkie and to preserve his own political career. You know damn well that he exerted some traditional Chicago style pressure on the local DA to press this case.

This shit has got to end. Police have got to be able to effectively do their jobs and not be held hostage to this chicken shit PC code. If those punks in Chicago riot the governor of Illinois ought to call in the National Guard ASAP and shut down those bastards.

ROFLMNAO!

ANOTHER obama CONSTITUENT: DOWN!