Celebrating Robert E. Lee's Birthday Today Brings Out Southern Pride And Patriotism

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The Confederates had to be pardoned like the common criminals they were Encyclopædia Britannica's Guide to American Presidents

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hey Buckwheat, slave owners didn't pit me against anyone. I wasn't around during that time and neither were you.

Stupidity is thinking that a few Southerners that owned slaves were all white and that they convinced the majority to go to war to fight for their cause.

What's funny is you talk about whites being fearful while you cling to your victimhood status.

Tell us again how the white man owes you.

I was talking about your type. You know ignorant inbred poor white trash? You were either drafted or tricked by tales of free Black slaves roaming the country side raping and killing whites. The people that owned 20 or more slaves were exempt from the draft. Check your history if you doubt that. Your type were bamboozled into fighting and dying in a failed war. Then they sold you on this heritage BS by stoking your fears of Blacks taking your jobs and women. Face it. You hill billies are frightened and easily manipulated to this day.

If that's what you want to believe then go right ahead. It only shows your ignorance.

Your denial is typical of that certain breed of Southern white I came to know and abhor during our years in East Texas to west Florida. We kept them out of our businesses and out of our schools.

 

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Andrew Johnson

Democratic President Andrew Johnson pardoned about 7,000 people in the "over $20,000" class by May 4, 1866. More than 600 prominent North Carolinians were pardoned just before the election of 1865.[13] President Andrew Johnson pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 654 people during his term.[3] Among them are:

Confederate soldiers – unconditional amnesty to all Confederates on Christmas Day 1868; earlier amnesties requiring signed oaths and excluding certain classes of people were issued both by Lincoln and by Johnson. Among them were:
Charles D. Anderson
Richard H. Anderson
Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederate States of America
Eli Metcalfe Bruce
Horatio Washington Bruce
Augustus Hill Garland
Samuel Arnold – charged with conspiring to murder Lincoln
Dr. Samuel Mudd – charged with conspiring to murder Lincoln
Edmund Spangler – charged with conspiring to murder Lincoln

Ulysses S. Grant

Republican President Ulysses S. Grant pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 1,332 people during his term.[3] Among them are:

Confederate leaders – All but 500 top Confederate leaders were pardoned when President Grant signed the Amnesty Act of 1872.

 

[Asclepias]

Andrew Johnson

Democratic President Andrew Johnson pardoned about 7,000 people in the "over $20,000" class by May 4, 1866. More than 600 prominent North Carolinians were pardoned just before the election of 1865.[13] President Andrew Johnson pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 654 people during his term.[3] Among them are:

Confederate soldiers – unconditional amnesty to all Confederates on Christmas Day 1868; earlier amnesties requiring signed oaths and excluding certain classes of people were issued both by Lincoln and by Johnson. Among them were:
Charles D. Anderson
Richard H. Anderson
Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederate States of America
Eli Metcalfe Bruce
Horatio Washington Bruce
Augustus Hill Garland
Samuel Arnold – charged with conspiring to murder Lincoln
Dr. Samuel Mudd – charged with conspiring to murder Lincoln
Edmund Spangler – charged with conspiring to murder Lincoln

Ulysses S. Grant

Republican President Ulysses S. Grant pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 1,332 people during his term.[3] Among them are:

Confederate leaders – All but 500 top Confederate leaders were pardoned when President Grant signed the Amnesty Act of 1872.

What a slap in the face to Blacks everywhere. I cant imagine what the climate was like for us back then. We still did good work though establishing the first public school systems for poor whites and Blacks.

 

[GISMYS]

The civil war started over state rights not slavery, old abe used slavery as a issue as a useful tool to help his war effor.

 

[Asclepias]

The civil war started over state rights not slavery, old abe used slavery as a issue as a useful tool to help his war effor.

I recall the Cornerstone speech says different. It started over slavery per your leaders.

Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

That sounds a lot like slavery to me.

 

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The civil war started over state rights not slavery, old abe used slavery as a issue as a useful tool to help his war effor.

Not true. Revisionist history is silly here.

South Carolina refused to water down and obfuscate it's reasoning and they initiated the secession

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the *forms* [emphasis in the original] of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

"For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing" Over what? Slavery

 

[GISMYS]

YES!! The civil war started over state rights not slavery, old abe used slavery as a issue as a useful tool to help his war effort. YES THE ENDS WERE JUST AND GOOD BUT THE COST 600,000 LIVES AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS $$ THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER MORE HONEST WAY!!!

 

[JakeStarkey]

GISMYS is now trolling. The southern leaders themselves said slavery was the cause for the war.

The South alone was responsible for its destruction, the loss of life and treasure, and the execution of the states, forcing them to be reconstructed in order to re-enter the Union.

 

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"The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor." - slavery Declaration of Causes of Secession

 

[Nosmo King]

YES!! The civil war started over state rights not slavery, old abe used slavery as a issue as a useful tool to help his war effort. YES THE ENDS WERE JUST AND GOOD BUT THE COST 600,000 LIVES AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS $$ THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER MORE HONEST WAY!!!

States rights? Like the right of a state to sanction slavery?

 

[BlindBoo]

YES!! The civil war started over state rights not slavery, old abe used slavery as a issue as a useful tool to help his war effort. YES THE ENDS WERE JUST AND GOOD BUT THE COST 600,000 LIVES AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS $$ THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER MORE HONEST WAY!!!

It was all about Slavery. From the wars in the new territories until the day the Southern States declared their intent to seceded from the Union. The reason they seceded was to protect the institution of Slavery. If there wasn't an institution called Slavery would they have ever seceded?

 

[Asclepias]

YES!! The civil war started over state rights not slavery, old abe used slavery as a issue as a useful tool to help his war effort. YES THE ENDS WERE JUST AND GOOD BUT THE COST 600,000 LIVES AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS $$ THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER MORE HONEST WAY!!!

The civil war was started by the southern losers by firing on Ft Sumter. They said the reason was slavery. Its in the articles of succession and the cornerstone address. You cant possibly be much clearer than that.

The norths reason for the war was one of expansion. If the new territories became slave states then no working class white workers would migrate to an area with a free labor pool already in place.

 

[Swagger]

It did. It always amuses me that these yokels don't even know the REAL confederate flag(s). So much for it being about "heritage". If it were, they'd know.

Explain why the

is so offensive to blacks if it doesn't represent the Confederacy and southern pride?

But the fact is, this flag is NOT the "Confederate Flag." It is the "Battle Flag of Northern Virginia." This design, however, is the one most synonymous with the term, and the one used in various forms on many of the other flags that were flown by the Confederate States. It is also the one most hated by those who are completely and totally ignorant of what it stands for.

This is the TRUE Confederate flag"

It is offensive because the klan flew it while they were burning down their houses

Are you as repulsed by the Stars & Stripes when you see it sewn into the uniform of an American war criminal, or flown from a ship whose crew accepts the loss of innocent civilian lives during and after the delivery of ordnance as collateral damage?

 

[Asclepias]

Explain why the

is so offensive to blacks if it doesn't represent the Confederacy and southern pride?

But the fact is, this flag is NOT the "Confederate Flag." It is the "Battle Flag of Northern Virginia." This design, however, is the one most synonymous with the term, and the one used in various forms on many of the other flags that were flown by the Confederate States. It is also the one most hated by those who are completely and totally ignorant of what it stands for.

This is the TRUE Confederate flag"

It is offensive because the klan flew it while they were burning down their houses

Are you as repulsed by the Stars & Stripes when you see it sewn into the uniform of an American war criminal, or flown from a ship whose crew accepts the loss of innocent civilian lives during and after the delivery of ordnance as collateral damage?

Nothing is as repulsive as all the variations of the flag that are part of the souths failed war and pro slavery stance.

 

[Swagger]

It is offensive because the klan flew it while they were burning down their houses

Are you as repulsed by the Stars & Stripes when you see it sewn into the uniform of an American war criminal, or flown from a ship whose crew accepts the loss of innocent civilian lives during and after the delivery of ordnance as collateral damage?

Nothing is as repulsive as all the variations of the flag that are part of the souths failed war and pro slavery stance.

What about the infamous Swastika?

 

[JakeStarkey]

White nationalists are taking the piss, quite simply.

 

[Asclepias]

Are you as repulsed by the Stars & Stripes when you see it sewn into the uniform of an American war criminal, or flown from a ship whose crew accepts the loss of innocent civilian lives during and after the delivery of ordnance as collateral damage?

Nothing is as repulsive as all the variations of the flag that are part of the souths failed war and pro slavery stance.

What about the infamous Swastika?

No. The swastika is a symbol of hope and affirmation of life. If you mean the Nazis use of it then not even that is more repulsive to me.

 

[Swagger]

Nothing is as repulsive as all the variations of the flag that are part of the souths failed war and pro slavery stance.

What about the infamous Swastika?

No. The swastika is a symbol of hope and affirmation of life. If you mean the Nazis use of it then not even that is more repulsive to me.

I commend your honesty. A lot of people on here would double-back if they were asked if they find the [Nazis'] Swastika more repulsive/offensive than the Stars & Bars. You didn't. I find neither to be offensive/repulsive/whatever.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If it is the swastiska used by the Nazis, all good persons condemn it right along with the stars and bars.

When the icon of hope and affirmation is used appropriately, then no one can condemn it.

When it is associated with folks like Swagger, well, you have your answer.

And the stars and bars can never be a symbol other than blood, slavery, and oppression.