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    Here we go the "Energy Bill" that has failed a few times. It keeps popping up because enviro-business is hell bent on getting it's global warming marketing package pushed through at all costs. I loved the part in the bill that keeps metioning green jobs but fails to mention that all the technologies that support this total lunacy are already being manufactured overseas and those so called green jobs will be created overseas as a result of this bill. Not only will it raise taxes on a wide scale, it will also punish industries in this nation and does NOTHING to eleminate this global warming which according to NASA the earth has seen an average rise in temp. around .4 degrees in the last 129 years. So I'm sure this will impact it considerably especially since China and India are building coal fired plants at a record pace. Whats even more crazy about this bill, other than the higher taxes ,lost jobs, and it's total lack of vision is the fact that this so called clean coal technology and other forms of so called CLEAN energy are more harmful to the environment than what we currently have now. Take clean coal, you will see a lot of big words like carbon sequestration and capture, well they propose turning all that nasty CO2 into liquid and pumping it into the ground. and these same people are complaing about nuclear waste? I don't recall 1700 deaths being caused by escaping spent nuclear fuel in this country, but it has happened in Africa with Co2. Look at Ethanol and the amount of corn it takes to make it or other plant based forms , well they all need to be grown, that takes land , lots of land, that takes water, and fertilizer to make it grow. Wind, well consider the fact it takes massive amounts to of land to produce little amounts of power, and take into consideration deforestation, the same is true for Solar. So environmentally friendly, green! more like fits in with the current marketing scheme. This bill needs to fail , and fail in a big way, because it will mean lost jobs, higher taxes. and just like the healthcare debate at a time we cannot afford any of them..

    Carbon capture and storage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Carbon capture and storage (CCS) is a theoretical approach to mitigating the contribution of fossil fuel emissions to global warming, based on capturing carbon dioxide (CO2) from large point sources such as fossil fuel power plants. It can also be used to describe the scrubbing of CO2 from ambient air as a geoengineering technique. The carbon dioxide might then be permanently stored away from the atmosphere.

    The term carbon dioxide capture and storage has also been used to describe biological techniques such as biochar burial, which use trees, plankton, etc. to capture CO2 from the air. However, it is more conventional to use the term carbon capture and storage to describe non-biological processes of capturing carbon dioxide from combustion at the source.
     
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    They'll read as much of this as they did the stim package.
     
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    Who knows Zoom we may even get another turtle tunnel out of the deal!
     
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    Maybe they should start putting these bills into "cliff notes"---he.he.he.

    Ah--the global warming bill aka (the cap & trade bill). I guess Nancy will be throwing the dice on this one, we can only hope that she will crap out!

    This bill will add 2000-4000 in additional electricity costs to the average household--& in this economy!

    To add--we are the only country in the world doing this:

    So if Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi & Barack Obama can figure out a way to keep our air over the United States-, versus wandering off to other countries-then they may also be able to convince mother nature not to do a global melt around our shores?
     
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    Maybe they can come up with a way to astrodome the entire US. It would keep all of our clean air inside the US and the rest of the world's bad air out. Those cow farts will be a bugger though. :doubt:

    Love the cliff notes idea - - - they'd at least get the gist of the thing and maybe prevent some 'oops, we didn't know that was in there' tripe.
     
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    People in Congress can read?
     
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    Rumor has it. Don't ask, don't tell. :eusa_shhh:
     
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    I will say this, now theres a job project huh, building a dome to keep the clean air in so it wont escape and go over to some other country. I wonder though if this "cap and trade" bill pases that we will demand our air back from those countries that it floats over?
     

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