Can big government & liberty coincide?

[Antiderivative]

The ‘size’ of government is irrelevant provided the rule of law is acknowledged and respected.

Really? Shouldn't there be a negative correlation between abiding by the rule of law and the size of the government?

 

[Avatar4321]

As long as you pay taxes you will never be free.

Stop paying taxes now!!!

Many of us don't have a choice.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yep.

The notion that separate little states are going to protect individual liberties is absurd.

Absurd? That's a bigoted ignorant statement fuzz face. Why wouldn't elected officials in State Government seek to "protect individual liberties"? State governments are closer to individual liberties than the massive bureaucratic mess the federal government has become. Would state governments invade a quirky religious "compound" in Waco Texas with poison gas and Tanks? The federal ATF law enforcement superceeds state authority and they did such a poor job that they had to call in the Military in order to kill 80 men women and children. Who do we see about the shipment of 2,000 illegal weapons to drug cartels in Mexico? It was the ATF again and they got at least one Border patrol Officer killed. Why would you assume that State governments are unwilling to protect individual liberties? Because Texas executed a Mexican national killer in spite of efforts by the UN/bloated federal bureaucracy to save his depraved life?

Some might. Government, whether Federal or State is a reflection of the people.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The ‘size’ of government is irrelevant provided the rule of law is acknowledged and respected. As long as the Federal courts remain independent and neutral venues for Americans to bring forth grievances and seek relief in the context of Constitutional law, we need not fear a government of any size.

That statement is so absurd it doesn't even merit discussion..Can you give me one example from any point in history where the government actually respected the rule of law? How does your belief that the courts exist to give people a venue to seek relief hold up given the court decisions like Dred Scott and Plessy?

Because the bulk of violations of civil rights during the last 57 years were committed by state and local jurisdictions, from Brown v. Board of Education (1954) to Lawrence v Texas (2003), Americans were compelled to seek relief from un-Constitutional laws enacted by the states.

Every fucking single abridgment of civil rights over the past 6 decades can be traced back to the federal court system ruling that the 14th Amendment did not empower Congress to write legislation that was enforceable against states.

 

[Contumacious]

The ‘size’ of government is irrelevant provided the rule of law is acknowledged and respected.

Really? Shouldn't there be a negative correlation between abiding by the rule of law and the size of the government?

Exactly.

Every federal agency from AAA to ZZZ is unconstitutional.

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[Kuros]

Yep.

The notion that separate little states are going to protect individual liberties is absurd.

Strawmen are often not only absurd, but intentionally absurd.

No, states + the Federal bill of rights incorporated through the 14th amendment WILL protect individual liberties.

50 Supreme Courts that can go above the minimum standard ("the floor") of 1 Supreme Court is better than 1 Supreme Court.

If you think that Federalism's laboratories of democracy haven't advanced gay rights (Iowa & Massachusetts), but Federal legislation (DOMA) has, you are a poor observer.

 

[Kuros]

To answer the OP's question. Yes, big gov't and liberty can coincide. But it would be more difficult.

 

[Contumacious]

To answer the OP's question. Yes, big gov't and liberty can coincide. But it would be more difficult.

We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC , so government can only be as big as authorized.

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