California now has $2.4 billion surplus. Another liberal success

[JoeNormal]

California's high taxes are driving the people that can afford the move to Texas!

The people who move to Texas will regret it. I lived in California in the early 90's when they were having the first major recession in recent history. Utah was the destination of choice back then. It probably looked good on paper - beautiful mountains, big enough to have some cultural amenities and good restaurants and you could buy about 3 times the house there as in Cali. But then they discovered that there's this ultra-conservative/religious vibe that's repulsive to anyone who's not used to it. Also the weather sucks about 50% of the time and I won't even go into the moronic liquor laws... Most of the transplants left after a few years.

That's a load of shit.
The fact that Texas is a destination state for those moving out of their home state proves your assertion is merely your uneducated opinion.
Sheesh, you people will stop at nothing in order to cloister yourselves in the belief that liberalism is allegedly popular.

I won't dispute the assertion that Californians are moving to Texas. I don't care enough to bother researching it. What I'm saying is that if they are, they'll soon be having buyers remorse. Mostly ugly scenery, renecky bohunks, hot and humid... They'll be moving on soon enough.

 

[flacaltenn]

Flacal-》tenn and my 3 cali neighbors say youre wrong. We love the scenery, the acreage, the people, and most of all --we love the responsible govts and the better enviro for raising kids...... AND I can still get frozen dim sum at Trader Joes. Miissing anything from Cali? Besides the belly laughs from public commy radio (KPFA berkeley) Dont think so.......

 

[RKMBrown]

Good news, California: Surplus is $2.4 billion - SFGate

Good news, California: Surplus is $2.4 billion
Melody Gutierrez
Updated 10:38 pm, Wednesday, November 20, 2013

Sacramento --

For the first time in nearly a decade, California is collecting more revenue than it is spending and will finish the fiscal year with an extra $2.4 billion, according to a report released Wednesday by the Legislature's nonpartisan budget analyst.

The good news comes after an era that saw one of the worst budget crises in California history - the fiscal shortfall sank to $60 billion in the 2009-10 budget, the state controller mailed IOUs to vendors in 2009 and state lawmakers slashed programs year after year to make ends meet.

Now, thanks to the passage of Proposition 30 last year and the improving economy, California is looking at surpluses for the next six years - even after the temporary taxes under Prop. 30 expire, according to the Legislative Analyst's Office.
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They did not have a spending problem at any point. They had a "the GOP has power" problem. Once the voters finally culled the GOP from any real power in Sacramento, the Democrats got down to governing responsibly. They now have funds to spend on education for hispanics and blacks, and services for young women who want to obtain an abortion.

The rest of the country has a lot to learn from California.

"The fiscal shortfall sank to $60 billion in the 2009-10." This year a 2.4b surplus. Cool another 3 decades and they can pay off their debt from 2009.

 

[R.C. Christian]

With that kind of surplus the government of CA should have zero problem paying for the radioactive mess come to their shores. I expect a complete sate effort.

 

[JoeNormal]

Flacal-》tenn and my 3 cali neighbors say youre wrong. We love the scenery, the acreage, the people, and most of all --we love the responsible govts and the better enviro for raising kids...... AND I can still get frozen dim sum at Trader Joes. Miissing anything from Cali? Besides the belly laughs from public commy radio (KPFA berkeley) Dont think so.......

Tennessee isn't Texas.

 

[flacaltenn]

Flacal-》tenn and my 3 cali neighbors say youre wrong. We love the scenery, the acreage, the people, and most of all --we love the responsible govts and the better enviro for raising kids...... AND I can still get frozen dim sum at Trader Joes. Miissing anything from Cali? Besides the belly laughs from public commy radio (KPFA berkeley) Dont think so.......

Tennessee isn't Texas.

Interesting comment. In the hillbilly hollywood hollers here, a lot of folks are self employed, commute large distances or otherwise have jobs that are not centered on an office. Govts like Cali need to realize that their blood hosts arent as immobile as they once were. And that they can and will relocate. Texas is a close approximation to the increase in quality of life for people who need more traditional jobs....

Seven years ago, daughter was becoming a vacuous Valley girl who was paranoid of street gangs, now shes a jack daniels drinking mandolin/harmonica playing neuroscience major ---- and im proud of her "cultural conversion."

 

[JoeNormal]

Flacal-》tenn and my 3 cali neighbors say youre wrong. We love the scenery, the acreage, the people, and most of all --we love the responsible govts and the better enviro for raising kids...... AND I can still get frozen dim sum at Trader Joes. Miissing anything from Cali? Besides the belly laughs from public commy radio (KPFA berkeley) Dont think so.......

Tennessee isn't Texas.

Interesting comment. In the hillbilly hollywood hollers here, a lot of folks are self employed, commute large distances or otherwise have jobs that are not centered on an office. Govts like Cali need to realize that their blood hosts arent as immobile as they once were. And that they can and will relocate. Texas is a close approximation to the increase in quality of life for people who need more traditional jobs....

Seven years ago, daughter was becoming a vacuous Valley girl who was paranoid of street gangs, now shes a jack daniels drinking mandolin/harmonica playing neuroscience major ---- and im proud of her "cultural conversion."

Well, FWIW you couldn't pay me enough to live in LA proper. I lived near the coast in OC and would probably still be there if I hadn't moved back home when my parents became old enough to need my help. I did like living close enough to the big city for concerts and the like however. I'd still like to return to Cali - Carlsbad this time but the wife isn't hearing it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The people who move to Texas will regret it. I lived in California in the early 90's when they were having the first major recession in recent history. Utah was the destination of choice back then. It probably looked good on paper - beautiful mountains, big enough to have some cultural amenities and good restaurants and you could buy about 3 times the house there as in Cali. But then they discovered that there's this ultra-conservative/religious vibe that's repulsive to anyone who's not used to it. Also the weather sucks about 50% of the time and I won't even go into the moronic liquor laws... Most of the transplants left after a few years.

That's a load of shit.
The fact that Texas is a destination state for those moving out of their home state proves your assertion is merely your uneducated opinion.
Sheesh, you people will stop at nothing in order to cloister yourselves in the belief that liberalism is allegedly popular.

I won't dispute the assertion that Californians are moving to Texas. I don't care enough to bother researching it. What I'm saying is that if they are, they'll soon be having buyers remorse. Mostly ugly scenery, renecky bohunks, hot and humid... They'll be moving on soon enough.

I see you have never been to Texas.

 

[JoeNormal]

That's a load of shit.
The fact that Texas is a destination state for those moving out of their home state proves your assertion is merely your uneducated opinion.
Sheesh, you people will stop at nothing in order to cloister yourselves in the belief that liberalism is allegedly popular.

I won't dispute the assertion that Californians are moving to Texas. I don't care enough to bother researching it. What I'm saying is that if they are, they'll soon be having buyers remorse. Mostly ugly scenery, renecky bohunks, hot and humid... They'll be moving on soon enough.

I see you have never been to Texas.

I've been to Texas several times. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, El Paso. The only place I found remotely pretty was San Antonio.

I developed my distaste for Texans when I lived in New Mexico - they liked to go there to ski. Loud, obnoxious, swaggering... Sorry if they've given other Texans a bad name.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The people who move to Texas will regret it. I lived in California in the early 90's when they were having the first major recession in recent history. Utah was the destination of choice back then. It probably looked good on paper - beautiful mountains, big enough to have some cultural amenities and good restaurants and you could buy about 3 times the house there as in Cali. But then they discovered that there's this ultra-conservative/religious vibe that's repulsive to anyone who's not used to it. Also the weather sucks about 50% of the time and I won't even go into the moronic liquor laws... Most of the transplants left after a few years.

That's a load of shit.
The fact that Texas is a destination state for those moving out of their home state proves your assertion is merely your uneducated opinion.
Sheesh, you people will stop at nothing in order to cloister yourselves in the belief that liberalism is allegedly popular.

I won't dispute the assertion that Californians are moving to Texas. I don't care enough to bother researching it. What I'm saying is that if they are, they'll soon be having buyers remorse. Mostly ugly scenery, renecky bohunks, hot and humid... They'll be moving on soon enough.

That is YOUR opinion....Accept that and move on...
You won't dispute it because there is nothing to dispute.
People are leaving California to escape the high taxes, expensive cost of living, massive influx of Latinos, crushing regulations, difficulty for small business to turn a profit, political correctness and a host of other crap perpetuated by lib group think.
Many people will not do business with California based customers because of the overbearing regulations.
For example, I have a close friend who is an independent trucker. He goes where the money is. His rig is new. Remember that last point for a moment.
There are regulations on Tractor Trailer rigs in California that are so draconian, that shipping costs to and from California are maong the highest in the nation. Plus, the traffic in the urban areas is so bad that a driver could get stuck in LA Freeway traffic on his way to a pick up or delivery to which he has a deadline. If the driver is stuck in traffic, he could "time out" on his 11 hours of ICC regulated driving time. Operating past your time will result in very heavy fines. In many cases the fine exceeds the fee for the run.
It's not worth it. And of course the fuel is very pricey...

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I won't dispute the assertion that Californians are moving to Texas. I don't care enough to bother researching it. What I'm saying is that if they are, they'll soon be having buyers remorse. Mostly ugly scenery, renecky bohunks, hot and humid... They'll be moving on soon enough.

I see you have never been to Texas.

I've been to Texas several times. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, El Paso. The only place I found remotely pretty was San Antonio.

I developed my distaste for Texans when I lived in New Mexico - they liked to go there to ski. Loud, obnoxious, swaggering... Sorry if they've given other Texans a bad name.

Those are the 4 of the biggest cities in Texas, and hardly represent the entire state. That would be like going to LA, San Francisco, and San Diego, and saying that all of California sucks because it is overcrowded.

Get the point?

 

[JoeNormal]

I see you have never been to Texas.

I've been to Texas several times. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, El Paso. The only place I found remotely pretty was San Antonio.

I developed my distaste for Texans when I lived in New Mexico - they liked to go there to ski. Loud, obnoxious, swaggering... Sorry if they've given other Texans a bad name.

Those are the 4 of the biggest cities in Texas, and hardly represent the entire state. That would be like going to LA, San Francisco, and San Diego, and saying that all of California sucks because it is overcrowded.

Get the point?

Ok, so where is this Texas paradise that would attract Californians who weren't so desperate that they basically had to move?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I've been to Texas several times. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, El Paso. The only place I found remotely pretty was San Antonio.

I developed my distaste for Texans when I lived in New Mexico - they liked to go there to ski. Loud, obnoxious, swaggering... Sorry if they've given other Texans a bad name.

Those are the 4 of the biggest cities in Texas, and hardly represent the entire state. That would be like going to LA, San Francisco, and San Diego, and saying that all of California sucks because it is overcrowded.

Get the point?

Ok, so where is this Texas paradise that would attract Californians who weren't so desperate that they basically had to move?

Pointless...The fact is that there are many Texas residents that used to be California residents. Pretty simple stuff.
What you think of California is immaterial. If you don't like it, fine for you.
ON a personal note, I would not live in Texas either because I don't like the weather. It's too hot for me. There are no casinos. The tallest tree withing a 50 mile radius of Dallas is 15 feet tall. I don't like cowboy hats. Those boots are uncomfortable. Everyone is a Cowboys fan. I hate the Cowboys.
There are plenty of ex-Californians here in this state. NC.

 

[RKMBrown]

I've been to Texas several times. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, El Paso. The only place I found remotely pretty was San Antonio.

I developed my distaste for Texans when I lived in New Mexico - they liked to go there to ski. Loud, obnoxious, swaggering... Sorry if they've given other Texans a bad name.

Those are the 4 of the biggest cities in Texas, and hardly represent the entire state. That would be like going to LA, San Francisco, and San Diego, and saying that all of California sucks because it is overcrowded.

Get the point?

Ok, so where is this Texas paradise that would attract Californians who weren't so desperate that they basically had to move?

I live in hill country an hour North of Austin. The trees in my pecan & hickory pasture on my creek bed are around 100 feet tall. Just west of Dallas are pine forests on clay similar to GA. We have Canyons... Texas isn't the treeless desert of the movies. Though it does exist on a portion of the state if that interests you.

This is hill country:

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I've been to Texas several times. Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, El Paso. The only place I found remotely pretty was San Antonio.

I developed my distaste for Texans when I lived in New Mexico - they liked to go there to ski. Loud, obnoxious, swaggering... Sorry if they've given other Texans a bad name.

Those are the 4 of the biggest cities in Texas, and hardly represent the entire state. That would be like going to LA, San Francisco, and San Diego, and saying that all of California sucks because it is overcrowded.

Get the point?

Ok, so where is this Texas paradise that would attract Californians who weren't so desperate that they basically had to move?

They don't want Californians, they want people who want to leave California.

 

[Nyvin]

Even though California's richer residents face high tax rates, lower-income households are more likely to leave. From 2005 to 2011, California lost 158 people with household incomes under $20,000 for every 100 who arrived, and 165 for every 100 people with household incomes between $20,000 and $40,000. In contrast, just slightly more people with household incomes in the $100,000-$200,000 range left than came to California (103 out per 100 in), and California actually gained a hair more people in the $200,000+ range than it lost (99 out per 100 in). The rich aren't leaving California, but the poor and the middle class are.

The exodus from California is also closely tied to the housing market. Pre-2008 levels were quite high, and from 2009 onwards they lowered significantly. Net outward migration follows housing prices almost line for line. People leave California for Texas to live cheaply, not due to some over taxation or lack of jobs or anything.

Now that housing prices aren't depressed like they were in 2008-2011 we'll probably see outward migration pick up again, since the value of homes in California are raising faster then the US as a whole.

 

[JoeNormal]

Those are the 4 of the biggest cities in Texas, and hardly represent the entire state. That would be like going to LA, San Francisco, and San Diego, and saying that all of California sucks because it is overcrowded.

Get the point?

Ok, so where is this Texas paradise that would attract Californians who weren't so desperate that they basically had to move?

I live in hill country an hour North of Austin. The trees in my pecan & hickory pasture on my creek bed are around 100 feet tall. Just west of Dallas are pine forests on clay similar to GA. We have Canyons... Texas isn't the treeless desert of the movies. Though it does exist on a portion of the state if that interests you.

This is hill country:

Quite pretty. I imagine it's still quite hot and humid most of the time though isn't it?

 

[JoeNormal]

Even though California's richer residents face high tax rates, lower-income households are more likely to leave. From 2005 to 2011, California lost 158 people with household incomes under $20,000 for every 100 who arrived, and 165 for every 100 people with household incomes between $20,000 and $40,000. In contrast, just slightly more people with household incomes in the $100,000-$200,000 range left than came to California (103 out per 100 in), and California actually gained a hair more people in the $200,000+ range than it lost (99 out per 100 in). The rich aren't leaving California, but the poor and the middle class are.

The exodus from California is also closely tied to the housing market. Pre-2008 levels were quite high, and from 2009 onwards they lowered significantly. Net outward migration follows housing prices almost line for line. People leave California for Texas to live cheaply, not due to some over taxation or lack of jobs or anything.

Now that housing prices aren't depressed like they were in 2008-2011 we'll probably see outward migration pick up again, since the value of homes in California are raising faster then the US as a whole.

Good points. I'm a firm believer in 'you get what you pay for'. That being said, even though it's expensive, I think California is one of the most desirable places in the world to live if you can afford it. There's the rub. Anyone who got themselves in over their head would probably jump at the chance to get out.

 

[Meister]

Even though California's richer residents face high tax rates, lower-income households are more likely to leave. From 2005 to 2011, California lost 158 people with household incomes under $20,000 for every 100 who arrived, and 165 for every 100 people with household incomes between $20,000 and $40,000. In contrast, just slightly more people with household incomes in the $100,000-$200,000 range left than came to California (103 out per 100 in), and California actually gained a hair more people in the $200,000+ range than it lost (99 out per 100 in). The rich aren't leaving California, but the poor and the middle class are.

The exodus from California is also closely tied to the housing market. Pre-2008 levels were quite high, and from 2009 onwards they lowered significantly. Net outward migration follows housing prices almost line for line. People leave California for Texas to live cheaply, not due to some over taxation or lack of jobs or anything.

Now that housing prices aren't depressed like they were in 2008-2011 we'll probably see outward migration pick up again, since the value of homes in California are raising faster then the US as a whole.

Good points. I'm a firm believer in 'you get what you pay for'. That being said, even though it's expensive, I think California is one of the most desirable places in the world to live if you can afford it. There's the rub. Anyone who got themselves in over their head would probably jump at the chance to get out.

In over their head ? Hardly, I wasn't "in over my head", but decided to move because my buck went a lot further elsewhere. What it does come down to is quality of life,.

 

[RKMBrown]

Ok, so where is this Texas paradise that would attract Californians who weren't so desperate that they basically had to move?

I live in hill country an hour North of Austin. The trees in my pecan & hickory pasture on my creek bed are around 100 feet tall. Just west of Dallas are pine forests on clay similar to GA. We have Canyons... Texas isn't the treeless desert of the movies. Though it does exist on a portion of the state if that interests you.

This is hill country:

Quite pretty. I imagine it's still quite hot and humid most of the time though isn't it?

Practically no humidity inland in TX the gulf coast is humid, Houston, Galveston that's about it.

We have a mostly dry heat in the summers here, except right after a rain.

When it's 100 degrees here it feels like it did at 85 in Florida.

I would say the weather is perfect in the fall and spring, a little dry and hot in the summer and a little cold and wet in the winter. This as opposed to SFran which is cold and wet all year long due to the pacific breeze, and South Florida which is warm and wet in the winter due to the gulf stream, and hot and wet in the summer.