California now has $2.4 billion surplus. Another liberal success

[Meister]

California's high taxes are driving the people that can afford the move to Texas!

The people who move to Texas will regret it. I lived in California in the early 90's when they were having the first major recession in recent history. Utah was the destination of choice back then. It probably looked good on paper - beautiful mountains, big enough to have some cultural amenities and good restaurants and you could buy about 3 times the house there as in Cali. But then they discovered that there's this ultra-conservative/religious vibe that's repulsive to anyone who's not used to it. Also the weather sucks about 50% of the time and I won't even go into the moronic liquor laws... Most of the transplants left after a few years.

Cost of living in Ca. is ridiculous, retirees are moving out of there in droves to other states.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ah, the "rich are leaving California is droves" myth.

Yet another rightwing myth. They find a handful of examples that fit their wishful thinking, then chain e-mail the stories to themselves through their aol.com accounts.

Canadians who come to the US for medical services, black voters who are driven around from precinct to precinct to vote again and again, massive inflation from QE2, and most costly of all, WMD in Iraq.

The rightwing myth machine is always at work.

It ain't the rich that is leaving, it is the middle class.

Phil Mickelson is about to blow town and leave California taxes behind.
In fact, if one looks at the home towns of pro athletes who hail from California, few have homes there during their respective off seasons.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ah, the "rich are leaving California is droves" myth.

Yet another rightwing myth. They find a handful of examples that fit their wishful thinking, then chain e-mail the stories to themselves through their aol.com accounts.

Canadians who come to the US for medical services, black voters who are driven around from precinct to precinct to vote again and again, massive inflation from QE2, and most costly of all, WMD in Iraq.

The rightwing myth machine is always at work.

It ain't the rich that is leaving, it is the middle class.

Yes, 3.5 Million of them.

And businesses as well --

Why Are California's Businesses Disappearing? - Businessweek

There were 1.3 million businesses in California at the end of 2012, 5.2 percent fewer than in the previous year (that’s about 73,000 fewer). To put that in perspective, Massachusetts lost 5,200 businesses, the second-highest amount, and Kansas had 3.1 percent fewer businesses in 2012 than in 2011, the second-highest loss rate. Nebraska added businesses at 11.9 percent, the fastest rate. Because BLS releases the data on a lag, the end of 2012 is the latest date for which numbers are available.

There's just no denying the Capital Flight. It's happening. And dimocrap scum are the reason why

ETA:

Florida, another state hard hit by the bursting of the real estate bubble, and the state with the second most businesses, added new businesses at the nation’s seventh-fastest rate.

New York and New Jersey have "wealth drain" issues as well.
Here's a report link stating between 2004 and 2008 over $70 billion in wealth had left NJ.
With NJ's middle, upper middle and wealthy classes all shrinking and low income mostly minority and immigrant communities concentrated in urban centers growing, NJ's population has stagnated or in some years fell, as people of means are leaving due to overwhelming confiscatory taxation. Most of which goes to pay for money hungry school systems and the pensions wages and benefits of over 600,000 unionized public employees.

http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2010/02/nj_loses_70b_in_wealth_over_fo.html

 

[thereisnospoon]

Detroit had some left wing loon cheerleaders too...spinning out false propaganda...for many years as the Democrats took it down into the abyss of socialism and bankruptcy.

I blame the GOP state government for what happened in Detroit.

Who cares what you think?
You have an opinion. No facts.
Me blaming YOU has just as much significance as you blaming the GOP for Michigan's problems.
Tell me, what could the state government to to reverse what the city governments did to themselves? Bail them out with the taxpayer dollars of those who have nothing to do with the problems? Do you think a homeowner in Holland, MI should be taxed to bail out Detroit?
This is the problem you live have. You believe that those who live outside cities have some sort of obligation to the cities.
Yeah, well look here genius. They draw those municipal boundaries for a reason. One of which is to that people can cross them and never look back. That's called voting with one's feet.
I have heard this stupid argument before. The idea that somehow people who live in the suburbs somehow owe the cities a debt of thanks in the form of a new tax or some other lib idea.
Ya know what,. if these cities were not so poorly run buy the never ending parade of liberal politicians there would be no need to look beyond the city limits for funding. But because of liberal policies, the average person living in a city consumes far more in services than they produce in tax revenue. And that is due to idiotic and devastating spending habits of the people the city dwellers re-elect term after term.
Don't like it? Go to your state capitol, present the idea that there should be no boundaries other than state lines and see how far you get before being laughed out of the room.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I blame the GOP state government for what happened in Detroit.

Of course you do; you are a moron.

I guess insulting someone's intelligence is ok when you do it.

Based on silly statements such as the one you posted earlier it is apparent that
it is impossible for someone to insult YOUR intelligence.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yeah, move to Florida where your business could disappear completely...

Huge sinkhole swallows homes in Florida

one earthquake is all it takes out here Wytch.....

Lightning (FL) kills the most. Earthquakes didn't even make the short list. Tornadoes (FL) did.

http://www.ij-healthgeographics.com/content/pdf/1476-072X-7-64.pdf

And I thought all you people were intellectuals.
A lightening strike may affect one person. Maybe a minor house fire.
An Earthquake can level an entire city.
Stop comparing the incomparable. You've dug a hole for yourself and with each post, you look progressively more desperate.
As a child, were you attention starved ?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I blame the GOP state government for what happened in Detroit.

Never mind that dems have run detroit down the hole starting back in the 70's. Its no surprise that you wouldn't take accountability and responsibility.

Republicans have been in charge of the State Senate ever since 1985.

They've held the Governor's office for 32 of the last 50 years.

The state house has been Republican for all but 6 of the last 20 years

The state government of Michigan is by far a Republican run town. The Detroit metro area comprises ~50% of the population of Michigan. The Republicans have just as much blame as the Democrats, if not more. I would say more since State Government > Local Government.

Lets see some facts that back up that claim.
The state may have been run by the GOP, but the urban centers are solid democrat.
What say you about THAT?

 

[Nyvin]

Never mind that dems have run detroit down the hole starting back in the 70's. Its no surprise that you wouldn't take accountability and responsibility.

Republicans have been in charge of the State Senate ever since 1985.

They've held the Governor's office for 32 of the last 50 years.

The state house has been Republican for all but 6 of the last 20 years

The state government of Michigan is by far a Republican run town. The Detroit metro area comprises ~50% of the population of Michigan. The Republicans have just as much blame as the Democrats, if not more. I would say more since State Government > Local Government.

Lets see some facts that back up that claim.
The state may have been run by the GOP, but the urban centers are solid democrat.
What say you about THAT?

I already said it:

State Government > Local Government

Besides what kind of crony state government just ignores a metro area that comprises 50% of your state's population?

back up that claim? Look it up for yourself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_Michigan

In fact throughout most of the 90's John Engler had a Republican controlled state legislature throughout almost his whole term as governor. 8 out of 12 years Engler was in office there was a GOP trifecta in Michigan.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Republicans have been in charge of the State Senate ever since 1985.

They've held the Governor's office for 32 of the last 50 years.

The state house has been Republican for all but 6 of the last 20 years

The state government of Michigan is by far a Republican run town. The Detroit metro area comprises ~50% of the population of Michigan. The Republicans have just as much blame as the Democrats, if not more. I would say more since State Government > Local Government.

All you've done is explain how the state of Michigan has managed to remain viable and relatively healthy since the massive exodus of the auto industry..

The damage was contained to Detroit and wasn't created, enabled, or toyed with by the State Government..

Viable and relatively healthy? They were the only state to go into population decline in 2009 and 2010. They had the highest unemployment rate in the nation for 5 years! Northern Michigan was horrendous for employment. Michigan by no measure at all was "healthy and viable"

When 50% of your state's population is in one area you tend to try to focus on that area quite a bit. The Republicans could've done much more for the 50% of Michigan in the Detroit area.

And it was NOT just Detroit....ever hear of Flint? Saginaw? They fell apart just as bad....going to blame the local officials and not the state government for them as well????

The only thing the state could do for the lib urban centers is tax those who do not live in the cities to bail out the cities.
Go to the Capitol and suggest that one. And you'll be laughed out of Lansing.
I'm going to spell this out for you..
Forget politics. Forget party.
Michigan's problem, Detroit's problem. Flint's problem, Dearborn's problem....etc ad nauseum....Is that the region had ALL of it's eggs in the automotive basket. Michigan's and those urban centers problem was a lack of vision that should tell any wise urban planner that the best path would have been to invite other diversified industries to the state.
But by the 1990's it was too late. Detroit, the Big Three auto companies never thought in a million years their companies could ever be knocked off their lofty perches by foreign competition. Never in a million years did the suits over at the UAW ever think unions would become the target of the rest of Americans sick and tired of over priced and not so reliable automobiles.
Detroit, Flint, et al...those places problems are SOLELY their own creation.
The people of Kalamazoo, Brooklyn, Holland, Traverse City, Marquette, Grand Rapids and none of the rural counties owe bombed out and burnt out Detroit or Flattened Flint NOTHING.....Get it? NOTH-ING....

 

[thereisnospoon]

Viable and relatively healthy? They were the only state to go into population decline in 2009 and 2010. They had the highest unemployment rate in the nation for 5 years! Northern Michigan was horrendous for employment. Michigan by no measure at all was "healthy and viable"

When 50% of your state's population is in one area you tend to try to focus on that area quite a bit. The Republicans could've done much more for the 50% of Michigan in the Detroit area.

And it was NOT just Detroit....ever hear of Flint? Saginaw? They fell apart just as bad....going to blame the local officials and not the state government for them as well????

Given the oblivious piss poor local management in those cities? Why yes I am...

The state gave them ample opportunity to LEAD.. They refused to rise to the challenge. That's the way it SHOULD be. Local govt should have MORE discretion to succeed or fail on their own terms.

Okay...how about this...

Add up the Flint area, Tri-city area (Saginaw), and the Detroit area and you close in on 60% of the state's population...How the F*ck do you explain the Republican State government not taking ANY responsibility for 60% of the population???

You don't know anything about politics if you think that some local government can bully around a state government.

Putting all the blame on some cities councils who have zilch for power is nothing but a cheesy cop out that anyone could see through.

City governments are autonomous. They are responsible to themselves for themselves.
Why should the those outside the city limits be burdened with someone else's problems.
Living in a city is a CHOICE. Living outside the borders of a large city is also a CHOICE....If the local government screws up, who are they to look beyond their borders to make other pay for mistakes made by those city leaders?

 

[thereisnospoon]

What good is that when you have $340 billion in un-funded liabilities?

Fixing California: Report ignores state?s vast pension liabilities | UTSanDiego.com

LOL, what a ridiculous comment. The issue of government employees retirement benefits will solve it self in a generation or two - those of us who have these benefits won't live forever. Those currently employed are now paying more then my generation did [I was paying #1,700 per month into my retirement the year I retired (2005)] and their benefits will be less.

So, is a surplus better than a deficit? Yep. Should Gov. Brown's leadership be celebrated? Yep. Has Gov. Brown solved all the problems? Nope, the damage done by prior elected officials will require many repairs. We learned, and I suspect the nation will learn, tax cuts are not the panacea the GOP wants us to believe. There is something much worse than Tqx and Spend Democrats, it is Don't tax and spend, spend and spend more as did the California Legislature under the previous four Governors and as the Congress has done since 1981.

A generation or two?......You must be kidding...Generations. 30 years a pop?
To you the good people of California, please wait 50 years while we tax the piss out of you and we promise the unfunded debt will disappear. In the mean time, just bend over and drop your shorts. This will hurt you more than it does us here in Sacramento.

 

[Nyvin]

Given the oblivious piss poor local management in those cities? Why yes I am...

The state gave them ample opportunity to LEAD.. They refused to rise to the challenge. That's the way it SHOULD be. Local govt should have MORE discretion to succeed or fail on their own terms.

Okay...how about this...

Add up the Flint area, Tri-city area (Saginaw), and the Detroit area and you close in on 60% of the state's population...How the F*ck do you explain the Republican State government not taking ANY responsibility for 60% of the population???

You don't know anything about politics if you think that some local government can bully around a state government.

Putting all the blame on some cities councils who have zilch for power is nothing but a cheesy cop out that anyone could see through.

City governments are autonomous. They are responsible to themselves for themselves.
Why should the those outside the city limits be burdened with someone else's problems.
Living in a city is a CHOICE. Living outside the borders of a large city is also a CHOICE....If the local government screws up, who are they to look beyond their borders to make other pay for mistakes made by those city leaders?

Oh this is just really rich....City government are autonomous and the state government has no power over them whatsoever....

Who exactly are you trying to fool here? Urban areas usually make up 70%+ of a state's population, sometimes even MORE. On top of that the economy of large urban areas make up an even BIGGER chunk of the state's economy...and you're trying to make some crazy claim the state government has no say in urban centers???

All you're trying to do is VERY obvious:

"The GOP state government in Michigan did NOTHING wrong, they're totally powerless to the local governments of Detroit and all those city councils!! It's all their fault!! The GOP were trying to help but couldn't do anything to save them!!"

Please, that's just pathetic. Would we say this about any other state government out there? would we just pardon any mess in their state since city councils and mayors won't cooperate? No, of course not, that's ridiculous. And it's ridiculous not to give the GOP state government in Michigan any blame too.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Republicans have been in charge of the State Senate ever since 1985.

They've held the Governor's office for 32 of the last 50 years.

The state house has been Republican for all but 6 of the last 20 years

The state government of Michigan is by far a Republican run town. The Detroit metro area comprises ~50% of the population of Michigan. The Republicans have just as much blame as the Democrats, if not more. I would say more since State Government > Local Government.

Lets see some facts that back up that claim.
The state may have been run by the GOP, but the urban centers are solid democrat.
What say you about THAT?

I already said it:

State Government > Local Government

Besides what kind of crony state government just ignores a metro area that comprises 50% of your state's population?

back up that claim? Look it up for yourself

Political party strength in Michigan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact throughout most of the 90's John Engler had a Republican controlled state legislature throughout almost his whole term as governor. 8 out of 12 years Engler was in office there was a GOP trifecta in Michigan.

State Government > Local Government....Now what the hell is THAT supposed to mean?
You keep stating the state government was GOP controlled. SO WHAT?
What does that have to do with the mismanagement of local politicians who are decidedly democrat?
Spell out your thoughts. State what you really believe

 

[thereisnospoon]

Okay...how about this...

Add up the Flint area, Tri-city area (Saginaw), and the Detroit area and you close in on 60% of the state's population...How the F*ck do you explain the Republican State government not taking ANY responsibility for 60% of the population???

You don't know anything about politics if you think that some local government can bully around a state government.

Putting all the blame on some cities councils who have zilch for power is nothing but a cheesy cop out that anyone could see through.

City governments are autonomous. They are responsible to themselves for themselves.
Why should the those outside the city limits be burdened with someone else's problems.
Living in a city is a CHOICE. Living outside the borders of a large city is also a CHOICE....If the local government screws up, who are they to look beyond their borders to make other pay for mistakes made by those city leaders?

Oh this is just really rich....City government are autonomous and the state government has no power over them whatsoever....

Who exactly are you trying to fool here? Urban areas usually make up 70%+ of a state's population, sometimes even MORE. On top of that the economy of large urban areas make up an even BIGGER chunk of the state's economy...and you're trying to make some crazy claim the state government has no say in urban centers???

All you're trying to do is VERY obvious:

"The GOP state government in Michigan did NOTHING wrong, they're totally powerless to the local governments of Detroit and all those city councils!! It's all their fault!! The GOP were trying to help but couldn't do anything to save them!!"

Please, that's just pathetic. Would we say this about any other state government out there? would we just pardon any mess in their state since city councils and mayors won't cooperate? No, of course not, that's ridiculous. And it's ridiculous not to give the GOP state government in Michigan any blame too.

Power? What power?
Cut the crap....do you really think that at any time Lansing could simply step in and declare that the state is going to not only run the city but the city politicians are no longer needed?
Stop it. Just stop...
"they're totally powerless to the local governments"....Ok, to what end? What would you have the state do? Tell the auto industry's leaders, "No you may not build factories in other states or other countries"? What would you have Lansing do, Go to Detroit City Hall and declare "you will stand down. WE are running the City now"?
Tell the people of Michigan, "yes we realize you live in the Upper Peninsula but Detroit and Flint are hurting. So we're going to tax YOU to bail them out."...
Oh sure.
Back in the 1980's during the City's budget crunch, the geniuses in Albany, NY at the behest of the New York City government were asked to legislate new taxes to bail out NYC. Let's just say the idea was not well received.

 

[flacaltenn]

Good news, California: Surplus is $2.4 billion - SFGate

Good news, California: Surplus is $2.4 billion
Melody Gutierrez
Updated 10:38 pm, Wednesday, November 20, 2013

Sacramento --

For the first time in nearly a decade, California is collecting more revenue than it is spending and will finish the fiscal year with an extra $2.4 billion, according to a report released Wednesday by the Legislature's nonpartisan budget analyst.

The good news comes after an era that saw one of the worst budget crises in California history - the fiscal shortfall sank to $60 billion in the 2009-10 budget, the state controller mailed IOUs to vendors in 2009 and state lawmakers slashed programs year after year to make ends meet.

Now, thanks to the passage of Proposition 30 last year and the improving economy, California is looking at surpluses for the next six years - even after the temporary taxes under Prop. 30 expire, according to the Legislative Analyst's Office.
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They did not have a spending problem at any point. They had a "the GOP has power" problem. Once the voters finally culled the GOP from any real power in Sacramento, the Democrats got down to governing responsibly. They now have funds to spend on education for hispanics and blacks, and services for young women who want to obtain an abortion.

The rest of the country has a lot to learn from California.

The OP is a lying faggot, another liberal epic fail...........

Not too convincing of an argument.

Doesnt need much of an argument.. The OP is journalistic fraud. Every lying word of it.
The state of Cali purged the opposition and can now cheat, lie, and fail with impunity..

 

[flacaltenn]

Republicans have been in charge of the State Senate ever since 1985.

They've held the Governor's office for 32 of the last 50 years.

The state house has been Republican for all but 6 of the last 20 years

The state government of Michigan is by far a Republican run town. The Detroit metro area comprises ~50% of the population of Michigan. The Republicans have just as much blame as the Democrats, if not more. I would say more since State Government > Local Government.

Lets see some facts that back up that claim.
The state may have been run by the GOP, but the urban centers are solid democrat.
What say you about THAT?

I already said it:

State Government > Local Government

Besides what kind of crony state government just ignores a metro area that comprises 50% of your state's population?

back up that claim? Look it up for yourself

Political party strength in Michigan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact throughout most of the 90's John Engler had a Republican controlled state legislature throughout almost his whole term as governor. 8 out of 12 years Engler was in office there was a GOP trifecta in Michigan.

I think your statement that State gov > Local gov is just one step away from Fed gov > State gov > Local gov .. A silly equation anyway since enumerated powers flow the other way. But you are an inch away here from BLAMING BUSH for the liberal failures of cities.

 

[Mr. H.]

What good is that when you have $340 billion in un-funded liabilities?

Fixing California: Report ignores state?s vast pension liabilities | UTSanDiego.com

LOL, what a ridiculous comment. The issue of government employees retirement benefits will solve it self in a generation or two - those of us who have these benefits won't live forever. Those currently employed are now paying more then my generation did [I was paying #1,700 per month into my retirement the year I retired (2005)] and their benefits will be less.

So the idea is to bank on people dying in order to meet future obligations?

And when these funds are continually being syphoned to meet still other obligations?

Who's being ridiculous here?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Lets see some facts that back up that claim.
The state may have been run by the GOP, but the urban centers are solid democrat.
What say you about THAT?

I already said it:

State Government > Local Government

Besides what kind of crony state government just ignores a metro area that comprises 50% of your state's population?

back up that claim? Look it up for yourself

Political party strength in Michigan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact throughout most of the 90's John Engler had a Republican controlled state legislature throughout almost his whole term as governor. 8 out of 12 years Engler was in office there was a GOP trifecta in Michigan.

I think your statement that State gov > Local gov is just one step away from Fed gov > State gov > Local gov .. A silly equation anyway since enumerated powers flow the other way. But you are an inch away here from BLAMING BUSH for the liberal failures of cities.

I think nyvin's angle is that the state government legislate new taxes to be collected and the money donated to the failing cities.
These types of ideas produced by libs pop up once in while.
They are met with "are you out of your mind" most of the time.
How anyone could maintain the notion that somehow non city dwellers should be taxed to bail out poorly run city governments is a mystery.
Our "Dear leader" is one these such people. Obama is a product of leftist community organizers who view suburbs and exurbs as greedy and of course, racist.
That suburbanites should be charged some kind of fee or tax to support the city dwellers which the community organizers view as 'deserving'..... Libs HATE suburbs. Except when suburban moderates and independents vote for THEIR candidates.
How Obama Is Robbing The Suburbs To Pay For The Cities - Forbes
In the above link is a perfect example of Obama's far left "take from the producers and give to the non-producers" agenda.

 

[Iustitia]

California is a complete fiscal success. Just like Social Security.

 

[oreo]

Good news, California: Surplus is $2.4 billion - SFGate

Good news, California: Surplus is $2.4 billion
Melody Gutierrez
Updated 10:38 pm, Wednesday, November 20, 2013

Sacramento --

For the first time in nearly a decade, California is collecting more revenue than it is spending and will finish the fiscal year with an extra $2.4 billion, according to a report released Wednesday by the Legislature's nonpartisan budget analyst.

The good news comes after an era that saw one of the worst budget crises in California history - the fiscal shortfall sank to $60 billion in the 2009-10 budget, the state controller mailed IOUs to vendors in 2009 and state lawmakers slashed programs year after year to make ends meet.

Now, thanks to the passage of Proposition 30 last year and the improving economy, California is looking at surpluses for the next six years - even after the temporary taxes under Prop. 30 expire, according to the Legislative Analyst's Office.
==================================================

They did not have a spending problem at any point. They had a "the GOP has power" problem. Once the voters finally culled the GOP from any real power in Sacramento, the Democrats got down to governing responsibly. They now have funds to spend on education for hispanics and blacks, and services for young women who want to obtain an abortion.

The rest of the country has a lot to learn from California.

Oh give me a break--everyone knows that California has been run by liberals for decades now. The FIX was that residents of California got sick and tired of all this red ink and fixed it themselves through propositions of lower taxes and less spending.

It's a good start but California has a long-long way to go to get even. Meaning no deficit at all. Still 60 billion in red ink--and finally counting down.