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    tax cigarettes another $1.00 per pack.. supposedly to get smokers to stop smoking..:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: and then they want ya to amoke some pot. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: California is nutzoid.
     
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    They don't want people to quit. I think it would be unconstitutional to unfairly tax something in an attempt to make people stop using it. I don't think penalty taxes should be allowed. They need money and they know this will bring in some quick cash. Since smokers have been sufficiently turned into villians, no one will stand up for their rights. That's the mindset of the left. If you can make people hate certain groups, then it's okay to run roughshod over their rights with no complaints.
     
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    But smoking pot is fun!!!!

    California born and raised, proud of it. Cali gettin stuff done.
     
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    it has to be voted on Willow.....and the people i have talked to Smoker or not....are tired of these guys trying to tax everything you do.....and when the tax gets voted down they try another way....."fees".........California for the past 15 years or so have had a Legislature with people with a mindset like Dean,Chris,Franco and "TruthMatters" running the show up in Sacramento....does that explain why this State has gone down the shitter so fast?...
     
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    How will it end?
     
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    Pigovian taxes. Gotta love 'em.

    My psychic sense is detecting trucks driving in the dark of night coming from North Carolina, loaded with cigarettes to be sold out of the backs of those trucks.
     
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    Compared to most states California was rolling along pretty well, then-----then in 1978 California:
    A) blew a hole in their revenue stream by putting a cap on property taxes while simultaneously,
    B) instituting minority rule in both houses of their legislature.


    California has been slip, sliding and struggling ever since.
     
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    *shrugs* I smoke cigars...so I'll take a hit , that life.

    theres a good piece by a former brown sptter over at city journal, if you want to take 10, give it a read. Its worse than we think. there is no way out without massive drop in spending an realignment of some major shit in this state. Its unimaginable that our spending has still gone up 15% in 3 years, despite the downturn.



    Wendell Cox
    The Long Stall
    California’s jobs engine broke down well before the financial crisis.

    Everybody knows that California’s economy has struggled mightily since the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent recession. The state’s current unemployment rate, 12.1 percent, is a full 3 percentage points above the national rate. Liberal pundits and politicians tend to blame this dismal performance entirely on the Great Recession; as Jerry Brown put it while campaigning (successfully) for governor last year, “I’ve seen recessions. They come, they go. California always comes back.”

    But a study commissioned by City Journal using the National Establishment Time Series database, which has tracked job creation and migration from 1992 through 2008 (so far) in a way that government statistics can’t, reveals the disturbing truth. California’s economy during the second half of that period—2000 through 2008—was far less vibrant and diverse than it had been during the first. Well before the crisis struck, then, the Golden State was setting itself up for a big fall.

    One of the starkest signs of California’s malaise during the first decade of the twenty-first century was its changing job dynamics. Even before the downturn, California had stopped attracting new business investment, whether from within the state or from without.

    Economists usually see business start-ups as the most important long-term source of job growth, and California has long had a reputation for nurturing new companies—most famously, in Silicon Valley. As Chart 1 shows, however, this dynamism utterly vanished in the 2000s. From 1992 to 2000, California saw a net gain of 776,500 jobs from start-ups and closures; that is, the state added that many more jobs from start-ups than it lost to closures. But during the first eight years of the new millennium, California had a net loss of 262,200 jobs from start-ups and closures. The difference between the two periods is an astounding 1 million net jobs.

    Between 2000 and 2008, California also suffered net job losses of 79,600 to the migration of businesses among states—worse than the net 73,800 jobs that it lost from 1992 through 2000. The leading destination was Texas, with Oregon and North Carolina running second and third (see Chart 2). California managed to add jobs only through the expansion of existing businesses, and even that was at a considerably lower rate than before.

    more and some excellent graphs charts here, its free btw;

    The Long Stall by Wendell Cox, City Journal Autumn 2011

    heres one;

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