The US non-gun murder rate (2.27/100k) is 3x that of New Zealand's total murder rate (0.74/100k)Rate of Gun murders in the US > 5x rate of gun murders in New Zealand
What does this prove?
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The US non-gun murder rate (2.27/100k) is 3x that of New Zealand's total murder rate (0.74/100k)Rate of Gun murders in the US > 5x rate of gun murders in New Zealand
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Rate of Gun murders in the US > 5x rate of gun murders in New Zealand
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Rate of Gun murders in the US > 5x rate of gun murders in New Zealand
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The OP is advancing these ridiculous lies out of an unwarranted, meritless fear that a ‘new’ Federal AWB will be enacted.So, you're lying again...all for your fetish.
Correct – it’s not a lie.No. It isn’t. Our gun culture wants almost nothing hindering a person from obtaining a gun. Not a training requirement, not a background check, not even felony status or raising the minimum age (you can buy a gun but you can’t vote, drink or smoke or get a decent rate on auto insurance).
This is a lie.New Zealand banned guns
What a moron you are
Indeed. Meanwhile, gun control laws only have the effect of reducing or eliminating people's right to self-defense with firearms against those criminals who don't obey gun laws.That kind of argument always comes. But what about criminals…well, what ABOUT criminals?
They are still going to murder.
They are still going to assault.
They are still going to rape.
They are still going to scam.
They still going to whizz in the public fountains.
The US non-gun murder rate (2.27/100k) is 3x that of New Zealand's total murder rate (0.74/100k)
What does this prove?
Why not make it FREE for EVERYONE then? Just like contraception should be. If people took gun ownership seriously, maybe there would be fewer accidental shootings. I was very intrigued by something NewsVine_Mariyam posted in another thread, on what she had to learn in order to get a conceal carry permit. As a right, this one carries far more responsibility and consequences than any other and should be treated accordingly.
Or maybe because it is considered the 9th happiest country.
The AR-15, a common target for irrational leftist fear and hatred, is not a military weapon and never has been.Correct – it’s not a lie.
We see proof of this in scores of threads on this very forum – conservatives’ disdain and opposition to the Heller Court’s reaffirmation of the fact that the Second Amendment is not unlimited.
The right’s unwarranted hostility to necessary, proper, and Constitutional firearm regulatory measures.
Conservatives who advance the lie that the Second Amendment ‘entitles’ private individuals to possess the same weapons as the military.
I would say, having a car licence reduces incidents, having food hygiene regulations reduces food poisoning, having regulations with guns reduces gun incidents. In all three cases, people still die/injured from car accidents, people still die or suffer from salmonella, and people still die or injured from guns. In all three cases above, the regulations in each one reduces the deaths and injuries. Criminals still use cars, criminals sell spirits containing anti freeze, and criminals still use firearms. But it all three cases in most countries, it doesn't mean they want to get rid of driving test, food hygiene regulations, and firearm regulations.
You experienced crime rate in the U.S. at about 47.70 per 100,000 people. That's 0.0477%, yet you guys make out you're overwhelmed with criminals and guns. And the worse part for gun nuts, that's crime rate, not all crime involves a gun. So criminals with guns just does not wash, whatsoFUCKINGever, and apparently you're educated.
That kind of argument always comes. But what about criminals…well, what ABOUT criminals?
They are still going to murder.
They are still going to assault.
They are still going to rape.
They are still going to scam.
They still going to whizz in the public fountains.
The thread premise is a lie.
No one has claimed that a given firearm regulatory measure will stop all gun crime and violence.
Our laws act in two ways: pro-active (as in reducing the factors that might lead crime or loss of life), reactive (punitive, punishing tbe actual crime)…right?Ok, so how do you put the genie back in the bottle? You have now admitted that criminals do horrible things. Good people don't. Good people DON'T go murder, rape, rob, and riot. Yet you wish to punish good people for the crimes of the few.
That make any sort of sense to you?
And if it does, why?
You compare the US which has a criminal population in ONE city (Chicago) that is equal to half the population of your second largest city. That city doesn't prosecute criminals. There are dozens of cases where murderers have been set free on bail, who then, sometimes within hours, go out and kill someone else.
So, is it a gun problem, or a progressive "keep sending the violent criminals out into society to do more violence" problem?
Our laws act in two ways: pro-active (as in reducing the factors that might lead crime or loss of life), reactive (punitive, punishing tbe actual crime)…right?
As such for any crime we layers of rules and laws designed to prevent it and layers of rules and laws designed to enforce consequences once a crime is committed OR an accidental loss of life or injury occurs that may not be a crime.
So let’s take driving for example. On the preventive side we have:
Age limits
License
A test of skill and knowledge in order to get a license.
A vision exam
All that before can even legally drive.
Then, there are laws that govern the vehicle which the driver needs to follow:
Regular safety inspections
Requiring insurance
working head and tail lights
And more yet for the driver:
seatbelts and car seats
no texting and driving
no driving while impaired
Setting speed limits
All of the above on the preventive side, and applies to all drivers good or bad.
Once something has happened, other laws takes effect.
Are good drivers being punished?
If you look at gun deaths, the state with the highest number is Alaska 23). The state with the lowest is MA (3.4).
If you look at the map at this link most of the states with high gun deaths are not progressive states but deep red.
Gun Deaths by State 2024
worldpopulationreview.com