Bullies: Obama Administration Summons NRA to White House

[jillian]

There are more than 20,000 gun laws nationwide right now. 20,000 more isn't going to help.

unless they're the right laws.

seems the central database should be more effective, the gun show loophole closed and clips that hold more than 10 rounds done away with for private use.

but that would require thought on your part, so no one expects you to arrive at those conclusions.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The channeling of ultra right uninformed hatred here is amazing.

The president and the Congress and the SCOTUS have the Constitutional power to act on these issues.

They can only act within the scope of their powers and authority Jake. The President is fully within his rights to make an EO for stronger enforcement of existing law. He can't ban a weapon at will.

OK, I agree with you that I don't think he can issue an EO on this, unless he thinks that Scalia and Roberts will go along with it. I don't think they will at all.

I think what will happen is that a major spending cuts bill with an amendment for seriously increased gun legislation. The right will get much of the spending cuts it wants with the left accepting that to get the regulation.

Scalia and Roberts has nothing to do with it. They do not make laws, they interpret them and Obama's job is to execute them.

You should really read the Constitution sometime. It's a remarkable doocument.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

There are more than 20,000 gun laws nationwide right now. 20,000 more isn't going to help.

unless they're the right laws.

seems the central database should be more effective, the gun show loophole closed and clips that hold more than 10 rounds done away with for private use.

but that would require thought on your part, so no one expects you to arrive at those conclusions.

Do you even know what the gun show loophole is? Did you know that the only ones that sell weapons at a gun show without a background check is private citizens selling their own weapons? Something they could legally do without even being at a gun show.

And what's the difference in a 30 round clip and three ten round clips? A few seconds?

You people really should learn more about the shit you bitch about and stop acting on pure emotion.

You of all people a self-proclaimed attorney should know better.

 

[JakeStarkey]

They can only act within the scope of their powers and authority Jake. The President is fully within his rights to make an EO for stronger enforcement of existing law. He can't ban a weapon at will.

OK, I agree with you that I don't think he can issue an EO on this, unless he thinks that Scalia and Roberts will go along with it. I don't think they will at all.

I think what will happen is that a major spending cuts bill with an amendment for seriously increased gun legislation. The right will get much of the spending cuts it wants with the left accepting that to get the regulation.

Scalia and Roberts has nothing to do with it. They do not make laws, they interpret them and Obama's job is to execute them.

You should really read the Constitution sometime. It's a remarkable doocument.

To be counseled by an infirm mind such as Lonestar in these matters is laughable. It's all politics, and the Constitution is the rule book for the game of politics. Yes, Scalia and Roberts are players, and Lonestar is speaking stupidly.

 

[kwc57]

I doubt anyone really cares about your opinion. Just letting you know.

Said JakeFakey into the mirror.

no. he said it to k&d... and he's right.

Please tell me YOU don't care about Fakey's opinion.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

OK, I agree with you that I don't think he can issue an EO on this, unless he thinks that Scalia and Roberts will go along with it. I don't think they will at all.

I think what will happen is that a major spending cuts bill with an amendment for seriously increased gun legislation. The right will get much of the spending cuts it wants with the left accepting that to get the regulation.

Scalia and Roberts has nothing to do with it. They do not make laws, they interpret them and Obama's job is to execute them.

You should really read the Constitution sometime. It's a remarkable doocument.

To be counseled by an infirm mind such as Lonestar in these matters is laughable. It's all politics, and the Constitution is the rule book for the game of politics. Yes, Scalia and Roberts are players, and Lonestar is speaking stupidly.

Correction. You weren't counseled, you were schooled.

Scalia and Roberts are Supreme Court Justices their job is not to create nor enforce laws but to interpret them.


The Supreme Court has two fundamental functions. On the one hand, it must interpret and expound all congressional enactments brought before it in proper cases; in this respect its role parallels that of the state courts of final resort in making the decisive interpretation of state law. On the other hand, the Supreme Court has power (superseding that of all other courts) to examine federal and state statutes and executive actions to determine whether they conform to the U.S. Constitution.

Read more: Supreme Court, United States: Functions — Infoplease.com Supreme Court, United States: Functions — Infoplease.com


Damn you are one retarded individual.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Scalia and Roberts has nothing to do with it. They do not make laws, they interpret them and Obama's job is to execute them.

You should really read the Constitution sometime. It's a remarkable doocument.

To be counseled by an infirm mind such as Lonestar in these matters is laughable. It's all politics, and the Constitution is the rule book for the game of politics. Yes, Scalia and Roberts are players, and Lonestar is speaking stupidly.

Correction. You weren't counseled, you were schooled. Scalia and Roberts are Supreme Court Justices their job is not to create nor enforce laws but to interpret them.
The Supreme Court has two fundamental functions. On the one hand, it must interpret and expound all congressional enactments brought before it in proper cases; in this respect its role parallels that of the state courts of final resort in making the decisive interpretation of state law. On the other hand, the Supreme Court has power (superseding that of all other courts) to examine federal and state statutes and executive actions to determine whether they conform to the U.S. Constitution.
Read more: Supreme Court, United States: Functions — Infoplease.com Supreme Court, United States: Functions — Infoplease.com Damn you are one retarded individual.

Watching an infirm, immature mind like Lonestar trying to explain how the Constitution works in a real world embarrasses the observer: much like watching the village dunce in his hat trying to be something he can never become, an intelligent player of the game.

Over the next months, Lonestar, watch carefully how this round unfolds in the WH, in Congress, and at SCOTUS. You may learn something useful if you are willing.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

One More time...

Yes, people can make themselves believe anything to justify murder.

No, I just don't think Spooge is a person.

You consider yourself a "person"...don't you?

 

[saveliberty]

Yes, people can make themselves believe anything to justify murder.

No, I just don't think Spooge is a person.

You consider yourself a "person"...don't you?

I'll wait until he replies, but I'm going to offer an opposing view...

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

The White House is giving the gun cult a chance to save their ass, to get into the conversation.

They're just too stupid and stubborn to see it.

The NRA doesn't need a chance, they have the US Constitution.

We banned child porn, incitement to crime, and we'll ban dangerous weapons.

So how's that banning of child porn and incitement to crime working out for you? And, I don't recall seeing anything about anyone having a "right" to child porn and incitement to crime in the Constitution. You want to point out that passage?

PUBLIC SAFETY TRUMPS EVERY RIGHT EVERY TIME!!

Don't think so...chump.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

BEHOLD, THE NRA

That's funny, when it is you and your collective operating on the emotional knee-jerk basis.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

Which laws are not enforced?

Several states fail to regularly update the FBI 'don't sell' lists with mental health patients and domestic abusers.

The military doesn't regularly update the list of dishonorable discharges, preventing them from purchasing weapons.

Any person who illegally possesses a weapon via a private sale is violating state and federal law. If a domestic abuser buys a gun from a friend, he is violating federal law as he should be on a 'don't sell' list. If a dishonorable discharge has a gun in his possession, he is violating federal law.

Illegal possession is a crime, shit for brains.



Dope.

Licensed gun dealers are required to check.

Are you not aware of how this works? You go into a gun store, you fill out a form. Your name is checked against a database.

Are you worried that you have flown under the radar?

Removing dangerous weapons was a laughable point from you as well. All guns, knives, arrows, nail guns, hammers, screwdrivers, cars, trucks, chain saws and prescription drugs can be dangerous weapons. Dimwit.

Your stupidity and obvious ignorance is dangerous.

Incredible... you make some of the most outrageously ignorant and FALSE statements I've ever seen, and then have the BALLS to call saveliberty stupid?

And you wonder why people believe you're here because you're paid to be here to spread leftist propaganda and lies.

You better check out this local website here in Wisconsin shit for brains. Check out "The Sporting World" forum. It's FULL of LOCAL PEOPLE SELLING AND BUYING FIREARMS, LEGALLY, AMONGST EACH OTHER, AND THERE IS NO LAW IN WISCONSIN THAT SAY'S ANYONE NEEDS TO REGISTER A DAMN ONE OF THOSE SALES, AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.

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Fucking LIAR.

This idiot obviously has no idea to the fact that different states have differing laws and requirements.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Once SCOTUS incorporated the 2nd Amendment in its last two rulings, the federal presumption of priority constitutionally trumps the 9th and 10th Amendments. Congress may regulate as it will unless SCOTUS says otherwise.

 

[saveliberty]

It like Groundhog's Day with Hazlnut. Every morning he loses is nuts and grows them back over night.

 

[saveliberty]

Once SCOTUS incorporated the 2nd Amendment in its last two rulings, the federal presumption of priority constitutionally trumps the 9th and 10th Amendments. Congress may regulate as it will unless SCOTUS says otherwise.

This was specifically stated in the rulings? Otherwise, its just an interpretation by you.

 

[Mr. H.]

“We were disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the Second Amendment...”

NRA blasts Biden talks, says it won

 

[JakeStarkey]

Once SCOTUS incorporated the 2nd Amendment in its last two rulings, the federal presumption of priority constitutionally trumps the 9th and 10th Amendments. Congress may regulate as it will unless SCOTUS says otherwise.

This was specifically stated in the rulings? Otherwise, its just an interpretation by you.

Watch what happens in federal court when a state tries to say its laws control the issue of gun regulation in its state. This will help those who don't understand the principal of incorporation and the Bill of Rights.

The Fourteenth Amendment and the Incorporation Debate

 

[saveliberty]

Wait you want Obama to hang his hat on the 14th?

Pretty prickly point when you are trying to open the door to what a citizen is.

It would seem that a state attempting to restrict guns is more at risk of running afoul.

 

[CrotchetyGeezer]

it like groundhog's day with hazlnut. Every morning he loses is nuts and grows them back over night.

lol!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Wait you want Obama to hang his hat on the 14th?

Pretty prickly point when you are trying to open the door to what a citizen is.

It would seem that a state attempting to restrict guns is more at risk of running afoul.

saveliberty, slow down. I agree with you that a state trying to restrict is in the same leaky boat as a state trying to expand regarding firearms.

This will be decided on the federal level because of Miller and Heller.