Brexit dividend - Proddys force withdrawal of Port services following intimidation.

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

Northern Ireland suspends Brexit checks amid safety fears for port staff

Decision came after council withdrew 12 staff at Larne following reports of ‘menacing behaviour’

www.theguardian.com

Well this was 100% guaranteed to happen following the brexit farce.The brain dead right wing nationalist loons in London have a lot to answer for.

You conveniently forget that the Welsh voted for Brexit along with your friends the English. Northern Ireland and Scotland voted against Brexit.

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Doesn't matter a jot when it's a UK-wide referendum how any areas of the UK voted.

If you want to apply that logic then I'll take it a step further - there's 5 houses in my street & 3 of the households voted for Brexit (and I'm in Scotland) - there's no difference.

Interesting that you feel this way. On the other hand:

"The vast bulk of Wales' council areas, many of them Labour-supporting, voted for Leave with a majority in 17 backing Brexit.

Only five areas - Gwynedd, Cardiff, Ceredigion, the Vale of Glamorgan and Monmouthshire - voted for Remain.

Turnout was high at 71.7% for Wales."

EU referendum: Welsh voters back Brexit

Leave wins the EU referendum campaign in Wales - and across the UK - with all Welsh council areas declared.

www.bbc.com

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It can be spun many ways mate, but it really just does bubble down to the fact of what a UK-wide referendum really is.

There's too many folk playing grievance politics with Brexit for my liking. Especially my lot in Scotland, the SNP.

Westminster have gave up Scotland hundreds of millions to help us cope with any side-effects of Brexit and the SNP have took it and not allocated it out so they can use it to further their aims of separation.

If it's not Brexit it would be something else they'd be jumping on to cause unrest in all honesty.

Despite my username, believe it or not, Brexit was a preference for me but it wouldn't have been the end of the world if we stayed in. There's literally pro's and con's for and against it - I thought the benefits outweighed the side-effects - and still do.

People need to give it a chance and stop acting like spoiled brats.

Since I've been old enough to vote I've voted in everything - by-elections, council elections, Holyrood elections, European elections, General elections and referendums.

I have literally only got what I voted for twice (Scottish referendum and the Brexit referendum) and the same folk in Scotland have spent every day since trying to reverse the results of each.

That's why it annoys me when people say "more people in Scotland voted remain than for Brexit" - so what? that's not how it works. You don't get everything you want politically.

So more people voted for Brexit shouldn't matter either by that logic.

Long before Brexit the biggest complaint over the years has been that London was largely unresponsive to the needs of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Devolution was a compromise put forward by Westminster to try and quiet growing dissatisfaction with British politics. The English still govern from London with little regard or understanding of the needs of regions beyond the south of the country. Even north-eastern regions of England bitterly complain that they are ignored.

In essence Westminster is part of the problem and not the solution.

Personally I think Scotland should opt for independence and rejoin the EU. The benefits are largely financial in the new jobs it could attract to Scotland.

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Your first line makes absolutely zero sense. If it's a UK-wide referendum everyone's vote counts the same no matter what part of the UK you're from.

So why would you ignore the fact more people voted for it and the referendum being won?

Your last line - it's not as simple as that. The EU have said there's no obvious way for Scotland to re-enter the EU - they've no currency, no central bank, and the net def falls way below of what's required as criteria.

What new jobs could Scotland attract if they were able to get back in? give me some examples.

Who voted for Brexit is of significant importance as it is in all political votes.

England would be a first client for Scotland given its proximity:

'An absolute killer': small UK firms struggle with Brexit VAT rules

Britain is no longer part of the EU VAT area, leading to extra costs for companies exporting to Europe

www.theguardian.com

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That link has no baring on the point you were making.

That link is talking about hold up's for small companies who aren't VAT registered before they can reclaim.

Those same small companies are not the companies that will be tendering for contracts and staff from outside the country and trying to do the deals and attracting new jobs.

It's from the Guardian though, so no surprise.

Also, of course England would be Scotland's first clients - after all about 75% of Scotland's trade is with England - but taking Scotland outside of the UK union (and assuming they were able to get back into the EU) think of the problems to trade then? a different currency, a hard border, different VAT/tax codes etc.

Think about that for a moment. They can't have it all ways.

If English companies open offices and/or warehouses in Scotland won't they also have to hire staff in Scotland (keep in mind new visa rules) or outsource to Scottish companies. Would Scotland generate additional tax revenues from arriving companies?

It must be a significant need if the UK government is advising British companies to open EU companies:

Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told

Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues

www.theguardian.com

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Why would England need to set up offices or warehouses in Scotland? the only things that come up from England into Scotland is supermarket foods from Tesco, Asda, Morrisons etc depots on the lorries.

Why would they pick Scotland to set up shop with their businesses when Scotland is out of BOTH the EU and the UK unions, have no credible currency, no centralised bank for any investment to flow through and a hard border, especially when they (England) would still be much more aligned with the EU due to the tariff-free trade that the Brexit deal facilitates? it doesn't make any sense.

The SNP is running Scotland into the ground, they can't run a bath or do the very basics correctly here without additionally trying to secure all this new investment in a newly separated state. They are crackpots and far too many folk (especially the English) are buying their nonsense and grievance politics brand.

If the UK Government are advising British companies to open EU companies - that indicates there's a good trading relationship with the EU even Brexit, surely? a reminder that an "independent" Scotland wouldn't be in the EU - for at least a decade or so (maybe longer). If the SNP care about the EU so much then their best bet is staying in the UK and hoping Brexit is a total disaster and the UK applies to go back in. If Brexit is a disaster then I'd support the UK doing that, but the SNP won't do that because they do not care about the EU it's a ploy from them. A few years before the EU referendum was announced you had some of these exact same SNP politicians and MP's making statements that they want out of the EU and now it's vital we stay in? lol ... think about it.

Additional paperwork and other requirements for UK goods exported to the EU is estimated to cost 25 billion pounds a year. Sounds like a great relationship:

"All told, Brexit may cost British exporters 25 billion pounds ($34 billion) this year as a result of weak demand and more red tape, shaving 1.1% off gross domestic product, according to a report Tuesday by the trade insurance company Euler Hermes Group SAS."

U.K. Businesses Drowning in Red Tape Under Brexit Border Rules

While the mile-long lines of trucks have dissipated at ports, U.K. businesses are waking up to less visible forms of friction at the border with the European Union that may cause more enduring damage.

www.bloomberg.com

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"estimated"

The same way they "estimated" the Economy would collapse in the wake of Brexit when it grew (before Covid hit)
The same way they "estimated" we'd have to take the Euro, when we didn't.
The same way Nissan "estimated" Brexit would mean they have to close their operations in the UK and 2 weeks ago they've said they made a mistake it and it will be the best thing for business.
I can't remember the exact quotes from the Bank Of England too but they had a recent change of heart a few months ago.

Red tape and hold ups are natural. FFS they've had to rip everything up and start again and get it implemented - not even the remainers actually think everything is seamless right from the off?

Or maybe they do. They're not really known for thinking straight.

Listen, as I said Brexit might be a total disaster. There's every chance.

But there's every chance it might work out great too.

We don't know for sure yet. But it's scare stories over nothing at the moment purported from the same folk who were avidly against it in the first place. It's hardly going to be balanced.

You are free to believe what you want but the reality is that the UK economy is going to suffer greatly.

The EU has been the UK's biggest trading partner. The reduction of exports to the EU will be the first to suffer.

EU companies are going to increasingly fill the gap offering what the UK has been exporting to the EU at a better price. The bureaucracy for UK goods will only increase given these new opportunities for EU companies.

British companies that choose to operate in the EU will be paying taxes to the EU not the UK.

The British financial sector has lost passporting and EU countries are reaping the benefits. Finance is the UK's most important sector - ouch that will hurt.

Is London’s financial center doomed to decline after Brexit?

The City has lost its unfettered access to the European market, and Britain’s former EU partners see opportunity.

www.marketplace.org

Sorry to ask but where are all the international trade deals that were promised?

• where is the US trade deal?
• where is the Australian trade deal?
• where is the ????? trade deal?

Reality is brutal.

Personally I would hope that Scotland find a way through this mess and be richer in the end.

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The economy will take a hit short-term. I think everyone accepts that - even guys like Farage. It's about the bigger picture.

The EU is the UK's biggest trading partner and that will continue hence the Brexit deal with tariff-free trade. We have still allowed them access to our fishing waters for the next 6-years to continue to trade while the transitions are in motion.

The bit about EU companies going to offer what the UK has been exporting at a better price and bureaucracy for UK goods increasing in light of these new opportunities for EU companies - expand on this.
What's stopped them doing this before? what makes you think all these companies on the EU are going to spring up and out perform what the UK gives in terms of exports in even the next decade? it doesn't happen over night, if at all - this here is typical scare stories based on absolutely nothing.

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports? nothing we lost it's a tendering process - the way any business should operate and if there's a company aboard that makes them to a similar or better quality and cheaper then you go with that. It's economics 101 and actually proves that we have good and affordable industry with the EU - which flies in the face of your previous claims.

The fact you even use the terminology like "lost passporting" is telling and indicates you're trying to create and shape a negative narrative to make everything you're saying fit.

Nothing was "lost" if the Government is happy to outsource it as part of a tendering process where they get the best deal and save the most money.

The US trade deal was in the pipeline but (and I'm guessing he's your hero) Joe Biden has put the breaks on that. He's said it's not a priority for him because "he's Irish" - so again, you can't have it both ways shout where's the USA trade deal.

The UK and Australia have had the trade deal set up since the summer. Did you not know that?

Your last point is just sheer romance about Scotland. Scotland has nothing going for it. You've got some romantic notion about the place. It's corrupt, it's run by an amateur unstable Government in the SNP, the best export is North Sea oil which they can claim tax on but it's a volatile commodity - right after the Scottish indi referendum the prices dropped to 9 dollars a barrel for it's North Sea Oil - there is no economic case for an indi Scotland - they already get substantially more per head of population from Westminster compared to the rest of the UK to offset the spending and SNP mismanagement.

 

[ESay]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

 

[ESay]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

 

[ESay]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

 

[ESay]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

 

[ESay]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

My solution is simple - go in, round them up and deport them.

However we both know how that goes down with politicians, the media, big business etc. They love the thought of them all coming together to help dismantle our societies and social fabrics. So it will never happen.

 

[ESay]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

My solution is simple - go in, round them up and deport them.

However we both know how that goes down with politicians, the media, big business etc. They love the thought of them all coming together to help dismantle our societies and social fabrics. So it will never happen.

I think that a significant part of them has already got the British citizenship, so it won't be an easy task even considering only a legal aspect.

Dont you think that over the time the British society will have to accept some 'americanization' because of that? Such as the right to bear arms, stand your ground laws etc.

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

My solution is simple - go in, round them up and deport them.

However we both know how that goes down with politicians, the media, big business etc. They love the thought of them all coming together to help dismantle our societies and social fabrics. So it will never happen.

I think that a significant part of them has already got the British citizenship, so it won't be an easy task even considering only a legal aspect.

Dont you think that over the time the British society will have to accept some 'americanization' because of that? Such as the right to bear arms, stand your ground laws etc.

They're already enduring Americanization IMO - the woke'ness and cancel culture along with crap like BLM has infiltrated the UK in a mob and that's been imported from America.

They'll never accept the right to bare arms here.

 

[Decus]

Northern Ireland suspends Brexit checks amid safety fears for port staff

Decision came after council withdrew 12 staff at Larne following reports of ‘menacing behaviour’

www.theguardian.com

Well this was 100% guaranteed to happen following the brexit farce.The brain dead right wing nationalist loons in London have a lot to answer for.

You conveniently forget that the Welsh voted for Brexit along with your friends the English. Northern Ireland and Scotland voted against Brexit.

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Doesn't matter a jot when it's a UK-wide referendum how any areas of the UK voted.

If you want to apply that logic then I'll take it a step further - there's 5 houses in my street & 3 of the households voted for Brexit (and I'm in Scotland) - there's no difference.

Interesting that you feel this way. On the other hand:

"The vast bulk of Wales' council areas, many of them Labour-supporting, voted for Leave with a majority in 17 backing Brexit.

Only five areas - Gwynedd, Cardiff, Ceredigion, the Vale of Glamorgan and Monmouthshire - voted for Remain.

Turnout was high at 71.7% for Wales."

EU referendum: Welsh voters back Brexit

Leave wins the EU referendum campaign in Wales - and across the UK - with all Welsh council areas declared.

www.bbc.com

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It can be spun many ways mate, but it really just does bubble down to the fact of what a UK-wide referendum really is.

There's too many folk playing grievance politics with Brexit for my liking. Especially my lot in Scotland, the SNP.

Westminster have gave up Scotland hundreds of millions to help us cope with any side-effects of Brexit and the SNP have took it and not allocated it out so they can use it to further their aims of separation.

If it's not Brexit it would be something else they'd be jumping on to cause unrest in all honesty.

Despite my username, believe it or not, Brexit was a preference for me but it wouldn't have been the end of the world if we stayed in. There's literally pro's and con's for and against it - I thought the benefits outweighed the side-effects - and still do.

People need to give it a chance and stop acting like spoiled brats.

Since I've been old enough to vote I've voted in everything - by-elections, council elections, Holyrood elections, European elections, General elections and referendums.

I have literally only got what I voted for twice (Scottish referendum and the Brexit referendum) and the same folk in Scotland have spent every day since trying to reverse the results of each.

That's why it annoys me when people say "more people in Scotland voted remain than for Brexit" - so what? that's not how it works. You don't get everything you want politically.

So more people voted for Brexit shouldn't matter either by that logic.

Long before Brexit the biggest complaint over the years has been that London was largely unresponsive to the needs of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Devolution was a compromise put forward by Westminster to try and quiet growing dissatisfaction with British politics. The English still govern from London with little regard or understanding of the needs of regions beyond the south of the country. Even north-eastern regions of England bitterly complain that they are ignored.

In essence Westminster is part of the problem and not the solution.

Personally I think Scotland should opt for independence and rejoin the EU. The benefits are largely financial in the new jobs it could attract to Scotland.

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Your first line makes absolutely zero sense. If it's a UK-wide referendum everyone's vote counts the same no matter what part of the UK you're from.

So why would you ignore the fact more people voted for it and the referendum being won?

Your last line - it's not as simple as that. The EU have said there's no obvious way for Scotland to re-enter the EU - they've no currency, no central bank, and the net def falls way below of what's required as criteria.

What new jobs could Scotland attract if they were able to get back in? give me some examples.

Who voted for Brexit is of significant importance as it is in all political votes.

England would be a first client for Scotland given its proximity:

'An absolute killer': small UK firms struggle with Brexit VAT rules

Britain is no longer part of the EU VAT area, leading to extra costs for companies exporting to Europe

www.theguardian.com

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That link has no baring on the point you were making.

That link is talking about hold up's for small companies who aren't VAT registered before they can reclaim.

Those same small companies are not the companies that will be tendering for contracts and staff from outside the country and trying to do the deals and attracting new jobs.

It's from the Guardian though, so no surprise.

Also, of course England would be Scotland's first clients - after all about 75% of Scotland's trade is with England - but taking Scotland outside of the UK union (and assuming they were able to get back into the EU) think of the problems to trade then? a different currency, a hard border, different VAT/tax codes etc.

Think about that for a moment. They can't have it all ways.

If English companies open offices and/or warehouses in Scotland won't they also have to hire staff in Scotland (keep in mind new visa rules) or outsource to Scottish companies. Would Scotland generate additional tax revenues from arriving companies?

It must be a significant need if the UK government is advising British companies to open EU companies:

Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told

Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues

www.theguardian.com

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Why would England need to set up offices or warehouses in Scotland? the only things that come up from England into Scotland is supermarket foods from Tesco, Asda, Morrisons etc depots on the lorries.

Why would they pick Scotland to set up shop with their businesses when Scotland is out of BOTH the EU and the UK unions, have no credible currency, no centralised bank for any investment to flow through and a hard border, especially when they (England) would still be much more aligned with the EU due to the tariff-free trade that the Brexit deal facilitates? it doesn't make any sense.

The SNP is running Scotland into the ground, they can't run a bath or do the very basics correctly here without additionally trying to secure all this new investment in a newly separated state. They are crackpots and far too many folk (especially the English) are buying their nonsense and grievance politics brand.

If the UK Government are advising British companies to open EU companies - that indicates there's a good trading relationship with the EU even Brexit, surely? a reminder that an "independent" Scotland wouldn't be in the EU - for at least a decade or so (maybe longer). If the SNP care about the EU so much then their best bet is staying in the UK and hoping Brexit is a total disaster and the UK applies to go back in. If Brexit is a disaster then I'd support the UK doing that, but the SNP won't do that because they do not care about the EU it's a ploy from them. A few years before the EU referendum was announced you had some of these exact same SNP politicians and MP's making statements that they want out of the EU and now it's vital we stay in? lol ... think about it.

Additional paperwork and other requirements for UK goods exported to the EU is estimated to cost 25 billion pounds a year. Sounds like a great relationship:

"All told, Brexit may cost British exporters 25 billion pounds ($34 billion) this year as a result of weak demand and more red tape, shaving 1.1% off gross domestic product, according to a report Tuesday by the trade insurance company Euler Hermes Group SAS."

U.K. Businesses Drowning in Red Tape Under Brexit Border Rules

While the mile-long lines of trucks have dissipated at ports, U.K. businesses are waking up to less visible forms of friction at the border with the European Union that may cause more enduring damage.

www.bloomberg.com

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"estimated"

The same way they "estimated" the Economy would collapse in the wake of Brexit when it grew (before Covid hit)
The same way they "estimated" we'd have to take the Euro, when we didn't.
The same way Nissan "estimated" Brexit would mean they have to close their operations in the UK and 2 weeks ago they've said they made a mistake it and it will be the best thing for business.
I can't remember the exact quotes from the Bank Of England too but they had a recent change of heart a few months ago.

Red tape and hold ups are natural. FFS they've had to rip everything up and start again and get it implemented - not even the remainers actually think everything is seamless right from the off?

Or maybe they do. They're not really known for thinking straight.

Listen, as I said Brexit might be a total disaster. There's every chance.

But there's every chance it might work out great too.

We don't know for sure yet. But it's scare stories over nothing at the moment purported from the same folk who were avidly against it in the first place. It's hardly going to be balanced.

You are free to believe what you want but the reality is that the UK economy is going to suffer greatly.

The EU has been the UK's biggest trading partner. The reduction of exports to the EU will be the first to suffer.

EU companies are going to increasingly fill the gap offering what the UK has been exporting to the EU at a better price. The bureaucracy for UK goods will only increase given these new opportunities for EU companies.

British companies that choose to operate in the EU will be paying taxes to the EU not the UK.

The British financial sector has lost passporting and EU countries are reaping the benefits. Finance is the UK's most important sector - ouch that will hurt.

Is London’s financial center doomed to decline after Brexit?

The City has lost its unfettered access to the European market, and Britain’s former EU partners see opportunity.

www.marketplace.org

Sorry to ask but where are all the international trade deals that were promised?

• where is the US trade deal?
• where is the Australian trade deal?
• where is the ????? trade deal?

Reality is brutal.

Personally I would hope that Scotland find a way through this mess and be richer in the end.

.

The economy will take a hit short-term. I think everyone accepts that - even guys like Farage. It's about the bigger picture.

The EU is the UK's biggest trading partner and that will continue hence the Brexit deal with tariff-free trade. We have still allowed them access to our fishing waters for the next 6-years to continue to trade while the transitions are in motion.

The bit about EU companies going to offer what the UK has been exporting at a better price and bureaucracy for UK goods increasing in light of these new opportunities for EU companies - expand on this.
What's stopped them doing this before? what makes you think all these companies on the EU are going to spring up and out perform what the UK gives in terms of exports in even the next decade? it doesn't happen over night, if at all - this here is typical scare stories based on absolutely nothing.

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports? nothing we lost it's a tendering process - the way any business should operate and if there's a company aboard that makes them to a similar or better quality and cheaper then you go with that. It's economics 101 and actually proves that we have good and affordable industry with the EU - which flies in the face of your previous claims.

The fact you even use the terminology like "lost passporting" is telling and indicates you're trying to create and shape a negative narrative to make everything you're saying fit.

Nothing was "lost" if the Government is happy to outsource it as part of a tendering process where they get the best deal and save the most money.

The US trade deal was in the pipeline but (and I'm guessing he's your hero) Joe Biden has put the breaks on that. He's said it's not a priority for him because "he's Irish" - so again, you can't have it both ways shout where's the USA trade deal.

The UK and Australia have had the trade deal set up since the summer. Did you not know that?

Your last point is just sheer romance about Scotland. Scotland has nothing going for it. You've got some romantic notion about the place. It's corrupt, it's run by an amateur unstable Government in the SNP, the best export is North Sea oil which they can claim tax on but it's a volatile commodity - right after the Scottish indi referendum the prices dropped to 9 dollars a barrel for it's North Sea Oil - there is no economic case for an indi Scotland - they already get substantially more per head of population from Westminster compared to the rest of the UK to offset the spending and SNP mismanagement.

Sorry but I really thought you knew a bit more about Brexit. I even gave you an article regarding the loss of passporting for British financial institutions. One more time:

"The problem stems from the loss of so-called passporting rights. When the U.K. left the European Union, the City gave up the automatic right to sell its services freely throughout the remaining 27 member states."

Is London’s financial center doomed to decline after Brexit?

The City has lost its unfettered access to the European market, and Britain’s former EU partners see opportunity.

www.marketplace.org

Anyway I have to thank you because you made me laugh when you said that the UK government could find someone else to make their passports. Just too fucking funny.

.

 

[ESay]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

My solution is simple - go in, round them up and deport them.

However we both know how that goes down with politicians, the media, big business etc. They love the thought of them all coming together to help dismantle our societies and social fabrics. So it will never happen.

I think that a significant part of them has already got the British citizenship, so it won't be an easy task even considering only a legal aspect.

Dont you think that over the time the British society will have to accept some 'americanization' because of that? Such as the right to bear arms, stand your ground laws etc.

They're already enduring Americanization IMO - the woke'ness and cancel culture along with crap like BLM has infiltrated the UK in a mob and that's been imported from America.

They'll never accept the right to bare arms here.

They that is who? The government or the society as a whole?

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

My solution is simple - go in, round them up and deport them.

However we both know how that goes down with politicians, the media, big business etc. They love the thought of them all coming together to help dismantle our societies and social fabrics. So it will never happen.

I think that a significant part of them has already got the British citizenship, so it won't be an easy task even considering only a legal aspect.

Dont you think that over the time the British society will have to accept some 'americanization' because of that? Such as the right to bear arms, stand your ground laws etc.

They're already enduring Americanization IMO - the woke'ness and cancel culture along with crap like BLM has infiltrated the UK in a mob and that's been imported from America.

They'll never accept the right to bare arms here.

They that is who? The government or the society as a whole?

Both, probably.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

My solution is simple - go in, round them up and deport them.

However we both know how that goes down with politicians, the media, big business etc. They love the thought of them all coming together to help dismantle our societies and social fabrics. So it will never happen.

Ha ha ha!
I think we are now getting down to the real crux of why SBUK voted for Brexit. He's given it away in the last few posts in his tete-a-tete with white supremacist redneck ESay. You racist bastards!

So SBUK you have one area in Scotland filled with various immigrant groups where the Police will fail to respond?

Well, let me tell you Manchester Police failed to respond to 800,000 calls last year, Have admitted it and are under investigation.
In Blackpool where I used to work there are a few housing estates that I'd say are over 90% white (there are very few immigrants in Blackpool) where the Police take forever to respond and are known trouble hotspots. It has nothing to do with immigrants but more to do with the austerity and massive cuts in Police numbers over the last 10 years.

As SBUK you admit you have never been to Birmingham or London or Luton you are going on hearsay and I'd suggest you and racist mate ESay stop reading 'Stormfront' - I'm surprised you didn't mention the Rochdale 'Muslim' rapists. Everyone else of your racist ilk does.
My brother lives near Luton and I worked down there in the late 90's and there is a large Muslim community who from my experience I'd say is more hard-working and law-abiding than your average white.
Luton is, however, the home of criminal and serial racist Tommy Robinson and his anti-Muslim and immigrant band of reprobates the English Defence League (now defunct through lack of interest) and I think we can now put you SBUK down as one of Robinson's followers as he is the only source of racist propaganda concerning Luton that I know of.

As for 'black only area's. Sharia law only area's, It's all the usual rubbish spun by the extreme right and doesn't remotely reflect any part of the UK that I have ever been.

The UK will need another 7 million immigrants to come and work in the UK before 2050 just to keep the NHS afloat (Office For Budget Responsibility Report to David Cameron 2013). Ironically because of Brexit the bulk of those immigrants will not be white Christian Europeans but Black Asian and African Muslims. Hindu's and Sikhs. Which doesn't bother me but I hope SBUK understands and accepts that is his legacy for voting for Brexit.

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

My solution is simple - go in, round them up and deport them.

However we both know how that goes down with politicians, the media, big business etc. They love the thought of them all coming together to help dismantle our societies and social fabrics. So it will never happen.

Ha ha ha!
I think we are now getting down to the real crux of why SBUK voted for Brexit. He's given it away in the last few posts in his tete-a-tete with white supremacist redneck ESay. You racist bastards!

So SBUK you have one area in Scotland filled with various immigrant groups where the Police will fail to respond?

Well, let me tell you Manchester Police failed to respond to 800,000 calls last year, Have admitted it and are under investigation.
In Blackpool where I used to work there are a few housing estates that I'd say are over 90% white (there are very few immigrants in Blackpool) where the Police take forever to respond and are known trouble hotspots. It has nothing to do with immigrants but more to do with the austerity and massive cuts in Police numbers over the last 10 years.

As SBUK you admit you have never been to Birmingham or London or Luton you are going on hearsay and I'd suggest you and racist mate ESay stop reading 'Stormfront' - I'm surprised you didn't mention the Rochdale 'Muslim' rapists. Everyone else of your racist ilk does.
My brother lives near Luton and I worked down there in the late 90's and there is a large Muslim community who from my experience I'd say is more hard-working and law-abiding than your average white.
Luton is, however, the home of criminal and serial racist Tommy Robinson and his anti-Muslim and immigrant band of reprobates the English Defence League (now defunct through lack of interest) and I think we can now put you SBUK down as one of Robinson's followers as he is the only source of racist propaganda concerning Luton that I know of.

As for 'black only area's. Sharia law only area's, It's all the usual rubbish spun by the extreme right and doesn't remotely reflect any part of the UK that I have ever been.

The UK will need another 7 million immigrants to come and work in the UK before 2050 just to keep the NHS afloat (Office For Budget Responsibility Report to David Cameron 2013). Ironically because of Brexit the bulk of those immigrants will not be white Christian Europeans but Black Asian and African Muslims. Hindu's and Sikhs. Which doesn't bother me but I hope SBUK understands and accepts that is his legacy for voting for Brexit.

So much bullshit from a complete muppet, I'll reply to it all in the morning

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

My solution is simple - go in, round them up and deport them.

However we both know how that goes down with politicians, the media, big business etc. They love the thought of them all coming together to help dismantle our societies and social fabrics. So it will never happen.

Ha ha ha!
I think we are now getting down to the real crux of why SBUK voted for Brexit. He's given it away in the last few posts in his tete-a-tete with white supremacist redneck ESay. You racist bastards!

So SBUK you have one area in Scotland filled with various immigrant groups where the Police will fail to respond?

Well, let me tell you Manchester Police failed to respond to 800,000 calls last year, Have admitted it and are under investigation.
In Blackpool where I used to work there are a few housing estates that I'd say are over 90% white (there are very few immigrants in Blackpool) where the Police take forever to respond and are known trouble hotspots. It has nothing to do with immigrants but more to do with the austerity and massive cuts in Police numbers over the last 10 years.

As SBUK you admit you have never been to Birmingham or London or Luton you are going on hearsay and I'd suggest you and racist mate ESay stop reading 'Stormfront' - I'm surprised you didn't mention the Rochdale 'Muslim' rapists. Everyone else of your racist ilk does.
My brother lives near Luton and I worked down there in the late 90's and there is a large Muslim community who from my experience I'd say is more hard-working and law-abiding than your average white.
Luton is, however, the home of criminal and serial racist Tommy Robinson and his anti-Muslim and immigrant band of reprobates the English Defence League (now defunct through lack of interest) and I think we can now put you SBUK down as one of Robinson's followers as he is the only source of racist propaganda concerning Luton that I know of.

As for 'black only area's. Sharia law only area's, It's all the usual rubbish spun by the extreme right and doesn't remotely reflect any part of the UK that I have ever been.

The UK will need another 7 million immigrants to come and work in the UK before 2050 just to keep the NHS afloat (Office For Budget Responsibility Report to David Cameron 2013). Ironically because of Brexit the bulk of those immigrants will not be white Christian Europeans but Black Asian and African Muslims. Hindu's and Sikhs. Which doesn't bother me but I hope SBUK understands and accepts that is his legacy for voting for Brexit.

So much bullshit from a complete muppet, I'll reply to it all in the morning

Sweet 'white racist' dreams!

 

[Scottish_Brexiteer_UK]

What do you mean lost passporting? do you mean the French company that manufactures the passports?

If I remember correctly, this term is applied to permission given to British banks and financial companies to operate freely inside the EU, without red tape restrictions.

Thanks. I done a proper search on it there and it says it's temporary until a subsidiary is set up to facilitate it again.

Sounds like it's another scare tactic and can ironed out in all honesty - but it's something that still needs to be done.

Yes, maybe the solution will be found. Overall, I have an impression that the British outperformed Brussels in negotiations and got the deal more or less desired.

I think so too mate, but there's too many people who were too emotionally invested in the remain side that it makes them feel better throwing out scare stories, worst case scenarios and ignoring the bigger picture.

But time will tell if it's good or bad. No-one really knows for sure yet (including me) but I don't like the hyperbole and border-line fake news from the other side.

Yes, the time will show everything. I have two questions, if you dont mind.
1. What odds are that the UK will break up in relatively not too distant future?
2. What can you say about immigrants from non European countries? What odds are that they will fully integrate into the British society and wont form ethnical anclaves with social and criminal issues?

I don't mind

1- The odds are it won't happen. For the member states to break away (well Scotland and Wales - I'm unsure if there's a different arrangement in Northern Ireland due to the Good Friday/Power Sharing agreement) they need section-30 orders from the UK Government. A section 30 order grants legal permission to hold another referendum if Scotland or Wales want separation.

When Scotland had it's referendum previously in recent years, the SNP (the ones pushing for it) made an agreement with the Government which was outlined in their own legal document called 'The White Paper' that promised the vote would be respected and would be once in a generation (with SNP leaders even saying, on record, once in a lifetime)

So they've no legal mandate for it. They are threatening an illegal referendum if they get a x-amount of seats in the Scottish elections in May but that would be for PR in my opinion and to try and put pressure on the Government to grant them their wish. My hope is that no-one would turn out for an illegal referendum and the turnout is so low (in the 40% range) it's nullified and the SNP members that organised it jailed.

The problem is, people who don't know any better always say to me "but it's the democratic will of the Scottish people to determine their own future" - which is true, but we've already done that recently. You can't keep re-running referendums every few years until you get your way.

I'm not against another referendum but what I'd do is make it ultra-conditional with some conditions being that the SNP don't get to chose the wording of the question this time the last time the wording was "Do you agree Scotland should be an independent country" which I think is a horrible phrase because it indicates that Scotland are some sort of subservient slaves or we have English occupation, when we don't - we have our own Parliament with many big issues fully devolved to us such as tax powers, health, emergency services, agriculture, arts/sports, education, local authorities, spending etc and other conditions would be if the SNP fail and Scotland remains part of the UK then the SNP must fold for a generation this time (20-25 years) and if they push for it again breaking their own promises made then they lose their powers in the Scottish parliament because all they do is abuse their powers and run our country into the ground.

2- Many immigrants do integrate well into British society, however, with our EU membership it meant that anyone anywhere in Europe can move to the UK from places like Romania, Bulgaria etc who contribute nothing (if they want to, some of them do work) and be entitled to all the benefits the UK citizens and taxpayers have. Imagine that's USA and there's a big open door where people from Venezula, Mexico, Honduras etc can just waltz in, settle and be entitled to all the rights and benefits with no objection to it.

What we've done is right in that we've reformed our immigration policy. Anyone is welcome to come however we operate a points system where if you've got the skills, a job and a sponsor then welcome. Glad to you have you.

Immigration is fine, but mass-scale open door legal immigration isn't sustainable or acceptable.

I understand about immigrants from Eastern Europe and why you wanted to change the things because of them. But my point was a little bit different.

A couple of years ago there was a popular theme about so called no go zones in Brirain (and Western Europe as a whole), sharia patrols and other staff. Is that mostly made up stories or these people really form something like ghettos in some places?

I know that Birmingham is a city with significant Indian and Pakistani minorities. And their communities have grown vastly over the last decades. Has it had a negative impact on the city's matters, rise of crimes etc?

Ah understood.

In Scotland we've only really got the one area like that called Govanhill - which, ironically, is the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon's constituency area that she's meant to represent. It's a bit of a no-go zone where the Police just don't respond to any crime up there and it's Pakistani/Muslim/African and Roma Gypsy community. There's videos where they offer up their children as young as 8/9 as sex slaves for money and the area is just a warzone. There's a lot of hostility just now that the Police and politicians are refusing to sort it.

Regards other areas in the UK, I've not experienced it first hand but I believe many parts of Birmingham, London and also Luton is really bad. Stories of Muslim only neighbourhoods no whites allowed, no women allowed, no dogs allowed, no alcohol to be consumed, no music and Muslim gangs dish out beatings regular.

Sex trafficking and grooming gangs too and again the Police don't want to do anything.

That said, to balance it off and be fair, the Sikh/Indian communities in the UK seem to integrate really well and get on well with the general UK population. They are very community orientated and have a sense of pride in the country - it's night and day that community compared to the other.

Well, so it was basically true. And that is a disgrace for a state and its government. As events in the US show, around 15% share of the total population is enough for active minority to push their agenda.

And what is solution in dealing with these ghettos? Especially considering that a number of them will be growing it seems.

My solution is simple - go in, round them up and deport them.

However we both know how that goes down with politicians, the media, big business etc. They love the thought of them all coming together to help dismantle our societies and social fabrics. So it will never happen.

Ha ha ha!
I think we are now getting down to the real crux of why SBUK voted for Brexit. He's given it away in the last few posts in his tete-a-tete with white supremacist redneck ESay. You racist bastards!

So SBUK you have one area in Scotland filled with various immigrant groups where the Police will fail to respond?

Well, let me tell you Manchester Police failed to respond to 800,000 calls last year, Have admitted it and are under investigation.
In Blackpool where I used to work there are a few housing estates that I'd say are over 90% white (there are very few immigrants in Blackpool) where the Police take forever to respond and are known trouble hotspots. It has nothing to do with immigrants but more to do with the austerity and massive cuts in Police numbers over the last 10 years.

As SBUK you admit you have never been to Birmingham or London or Luton you are going on hearsay and I'd suggest you and racist mate ESay stop reading 'Stormfront' - I'm surprised you didn't mention the Rochdale 'Muslim' rapists. Everyone else of your racist ilk does.
My brother lives near Luton and I worked down there in the late 90's and there is a large Muslim community who from my experience I'd say is more hard-working and law-abiding than your average white.
Luton is, however, the home of criminal and serial racist Tommy Robinson and his anti-Muslim and immigrant band of reprobates the English Defence League (now defunct through lack of interest) and I think we can now put you SBUK down as one of Robinson's followers as he is the only source of racist propaganda concerning Luton that I know of.

As for 'black only area's. Sharia law only area's, It's all the usual rubbish spun by the extreme right and doesn't remotely reflect any part of the UK that I have ever been.

The UK will need another 7 million immigrants to come and work in the UK before 2050 just to keep the NHS afloat (Office For Budget Responsibility Report to David Cameron 2013). Ironically because of Brexit the bulk of those immigrants will not be white Christian Europeans but Black Asian and African Muslims. Hindu's and Sikhs. Which doesn't bother me but I hope SBUK understands and accepts that is his legacy for voting for Brexit.

OK here we go :

1- What have I said that's racist/white supremacist or redneck? because I don't agree with an open-door immigration policy that makes someone racist? that's typical of remoaner weirdo's like you. Everyone is racist.
2- Yes. That one area is Govanhill. Look it up. It's all out there, laid on a plate - no doubt you'll ignore the evidence in front of your face and throw terms like racists about - again.
3- Yes, some of it is hearsay but some of it is factual-based. I've many friends from Birmingham who come up for Rangers games and they confirm these stories to be on a regular basis. They actually live it. There's videos out there that also confirm, but again, like Govanhill I suspect you'll just ignore it because it doesn't suit your outlook.
4- What does Tommy Robinson have to do with anything? I don't like him. I find him an annoying attention seeker and his continued playing of the victim card makes him look like a puney little idiot with no dignity or self-respect. However, what's he said that's racist? can you provide me with some examples? you've called me racist a few times with no evidence so I'd like to see your evidence for doing so with him also. I've a feeling you'll point to his comments about Muslim extremism as some desperate sort of justification.
5- I never said anything about Sharia law only areas. I said signs in Muslim areas that are Muslim only areas where there's restrictions. I've no idea if Sharia law only is practised there - probably is - but I made no reference to it. Again, there's evidence out there. Loads of it. In fact I watched a video the other week where a white parcel courier driver got dragged out his van and beaten due to him being in that area. Again, you'll ignore this because it doesn't fit your narrative.
6- Of course the UK needs immigration. It's almost like you've purposely ignored the part of my post when I said immigration was fine - but controlled and on a skills basis that we can determine and NOT open door. That will be the best thing to come from Brexit that we can have this.

Again you've called me racist a few times but literally ignored the stuff I said about being happy with a new immigration policy that allows proper immigration and also the kind words I said about the Indian's and Sikh's ... there's a reason you ignored that, so you can build a straw man narrative about racism. It's all remoaners like you have is throwing tags about like racist. No-one takes you seriously oddball.