Boycott Israel

[Hollie]

The Role of U.S. Churches in the BDS Movement

The role of U.S. churches in the BDS movement

What were his points?

You're not paying attention?

 

[Hollie]

 

[Phoenall]

And yet another pallywood productions to slime the Jews from Electronic Intifada.


The best you have is LIES, BLOOD LIBELS and MADE UP STORIES from islamonazi's for islamomorons like yourself

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh jeese, more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

 

[Hollie]

Oh jeese, more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

Oh jeese. Your delicate islamo-sensibilities are offended.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh jeese, more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

Oh jeese. Your delicate islamo-sensibilities are offended.

I don't get offended by Israel shoveling shit. That is their defining characteristic.

 

[Phoenall]

Another helping from the pallywood production team of the Jerusalem fund and palestinian centre.


All you have is islamonazi propaganda that is full of islamofascist talking points and there to slime the Jews

 

[Phoenall]

Oh jeese, more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

EVIDENCE otherwise it is just your usual slime the Jews islamonazi propaganda

 

[Phoenall]

Oh jeese, more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

Oh jeese. Your delicate islamo-sensibilities are offended.

I don't get offended by Israel shoveling shit. That is their defining characteristic.

Only in your world where such things offend your delicate islamo-sensibilities

 

[Hossfly]

With the never ending supply of videos supplied to Tinmore by his brethren in either the West Bank or Gaza, it is a wonder that he didn't show us this video. It must be very popular in Tinmore's circle of friends.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/bre...nian-authority-social-media-video/2014/12/28/

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hossfly]

The old gang back there sent you another video, Tinmore??? You must have quite a cache by now.

Boycott-Israel Movement Tainted by Ties to Terrorists, Researchers Find

 

[Shusha]

They, like many, conflate anti-Zionism with criticism of Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They, like many, conflate anti-Zionism with criticism of Israel.

Indeed, not to bright, huh.

They are just desperate to shut down talk about Palestinian rights.

 

[Shusha]

They are just desperate to shut down talk about Palestinian rights.

Discussion of anti-Zionism has NOTHING to do with Arab Palestinian rights. Discussion of anti-Zionism has only to do with Jewish rights. Anyone discussing anti-Zionism (anti-Jewish rights) is, by definition, NOT discussing Arab Palestinian rights. Discussing anti-Zionism is the discussion of the restriction, refusal or retraction of Jewish rights. Don't conflate the two. They are not related.

Let's talk about (positive) Arab Palestinian rights without discussing Jewish rights.

Do Arab Palestinians have the right to self-determination? Yes, yes, they do.
Do Arab Palestinians have the right to self-determination in the form of self-government (a State)? Yes, yes, they do.
Do Arab Palestinians have the right to sovereign self-determination defined by international boundaries? They do.
Do Arab Palestinians have the right to peace and security? They do.

Easy, right?

Now let's talk about (negative) Jewish rights without discussing Palestinians rights.

Do the Jewish people have the right to self-determination? No, no they do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to self-determination in the form of self-government (a State). No, no they do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to sovereign self-determination defined by international boundaries? They do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to peace and security? No, they do not.

See how that works? The one is not dependent upon the other. Its real easy to talk about Arab Palestinian rights while saying nothing about Jewish rights. And its real easy to deny Jewish rights while saying nothing about Arab Palestinian rights.

So no, calling out discussion about anti-Zionism as being antisemitism has nothing to do with discussion of Palestinian rights.

 

[Shusha]

Now, what happens if we acknowledge that both peoples have rights and that the rights of both peoples must be protected? How would we frame that conversation? How would we ensure that the rights of both peoples are able to be exercised?

The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to self-determination.
The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to a State.
The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to a territory.
The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to peace and security.

Do you see how that fundamentally changes the conversation?

Who should have a State? Well, both of them obviously.
Who should have a sovereign territory? Well, both of them.
Who should have peace and security? Both of them.

See, the granting of rights to one peoples does not actually remove them from another. Who should be permitted to access the Holy Places? Both of them obviously. Is that possible? Of course it is. Who should have territory? Well, both of them. Is that possible? Of course it is. Just draw a line. People are already living where they are living. (You could always use a little parenting trick -- have one child make the cut and the other child choose the piece they want.) Who should have peace and security? Both. No more resisting. This is not hard.

The problem is that Team Palestine constantly frames the conflict in such a way that the Jewish people's rights must be restricted, removed, retracted or refused. And that, my friends, is why anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

 

[Challenger]

Do the Jewish people have the right to self-determination? No, no they do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to self-determination in the form of self-government (a State). No, no they do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to sovereign self-determination defined by international boundaries? They do not.
Do the Jewish people have the right to peace and security? No, they do not.

Does a religious group have the right to self-determination? Not necessarily, they need to first be the people of the place not settler colonists.
Does a religious group have the right to self-determination in the form of self-government (a State). No, no they do not.
Does a religious group have the right to sovereign self-determination defined by international boundaries? They do not.
Does a religious group have the right to peace and security? Yes, yes they do, just like everybody else, but when that religious group occupies, disposesses and oppresses an indigenous people, they shouldn't be surprised if that people resist.

 

[Challenger]

Now, what happens if we acknowledge that both peoples have rights and that the rights of both peoples must be protected? How would we frame that conversation? How would we ensure that the rights of both peoples are able to be exercised?

The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to self-determination.
The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to a State.
The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to a territory.
The Jewish people and the Arab Palestinian peoples both have rights to peace and security.

Do you see how that fundamentally changes the conversation?

Who should have a State? Well, both of them obviously.
Who should have a sovereign territory? Well, both of them.
Who should have peace and security? Both of them.

See, the granting of rights to one peoples does not actually remove them from another. Who should be permitted to access the Holy Places? Both of them obviously. Is that possible? Of course it is. Who should have territory? Well, both of them. Is that possible? Of course it is. Just draw a line. People are already living where they are living. (You could always use a little parenting trick -- have one child make the cut and the other child choose the piece they want.) Who should have peace and security? Both. No more resisting. This is not hard.

The problem is that Team Palestine constantly frames the conflict in such a way that the Jewish people's rights must be restricted, removed, retracted or refused. And that, my friends, is why anti-Zionism is antisemitism.

This argues from a false premise, that one set is a people and not a religious group.