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[Shaarona]

On top of all that Tinmore, the boy's name is even mentioned on Btselem


Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians in Israel, after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead (Gaza, West Bank, total)

Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 470 74 544
Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 0 5 5
Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 0 17 17
Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 4 3 7

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

Proves just one thing the filistans love death as much as we love our children, that is why they put their only commodity in harms way. Time for the UN to institute a contraceptive programme in gaza and to stop the filistans breeding cannon fodder

That's ugly... Arabs love their children as much as Jews love their children.

 

[Phoenall]

What advantage would Hamas gain? What a ridiculous question. Hamas gains nothing with their actions against Israel

What advantage did they gain in the hundreds of suicide bombings against Israelis? Or are you going to deny those too ?

BTW, did you see the boys name mentioned on Btselem in my post above

That is why they stopped them in 2006.

Stopped what in 2006 climbing over the barbed wire to try and murder Israeli children. It certainly wasn't to stop targeting Israeli children with chemical and biological weapons was it, as well over 100,000 rockets have been fired since 2006 into Israel

 

[Phoenall]

What advantage would Hamas gain? What a ridiculous question. Hamas gains nothing with their actions against Israel

What advantage did they gain in the hundreds of suicide bombings against Israelis? Or are you going to deny those too ?

BTW, did you see the boys name mentioned on Btselem in my post above

That is why they stopped them in 2006.

Israel stopped them by increasing the amount of checkpoints and building a wall.

You are very gullible to believe what Hamas said about them stopping suicide bombings.

Once they realized they were incapable of sending any more bombers in, they claim it was them who stopped it. sour grapes

In reality they had it brought up at the UN and wanted the UN to rip down the barriers so they could start up suicide bombing again, they claimed that the Jews had taken away their only weapon

 

[Phoenall]

What happened in 2011?

The bus attack that we're discussing !!

You can believe it if you want.

How about the hundreds of Palestinians that Israel has killed?

Terrorists, militants hardly murder now is it to kill a soldier trying to kill you. Just that Israel is better trained and has better weapons, and don't fire at walls

 

[Billo_Really]

I watched the videos and THOSE definitely don't pass the smell test.

There are plenty of articles about the rocket attack on the bus. Have a look for yourself.


And why are you so surprised that Hamas launched a rocket at a school bus ?? They are known for mainly targeting civilians.

It's your argument that doesn't pass the smell test, because you can't have it both ways. You're trying to burn the candle at both ends.

The very reason the rockets are considered "war crimes", is the same reason that say's your comments are full of shit. They cannot launch rockets at a bus, or target children with those rockets. They have no guidance systems with which to do that. That's why they're classified as "indiscriminant" weapons.

So you need to pick!

• Are the rockets war crimes?
• Do they target children and busses, with the rockets?

You can't have both!

 

[Phoenall]

Standard Israeli bullshit.

LOL ! And what do you call "Hamas stopped suicide bombings"

I call that bullshit ..

OF course, once a main part of the wall was built, suicide bombings practically ended. Every one knows that.

The issue with you is that you're extremely bias

Of course they stopped abruptly during the long construction which is still not complete.

Hamas has people inside Israel.

Don't be so sure of that, if they do mossad will know were every single one of them is. For $40 I can get a radio that is capable of listening in to cell phones, and then at the push of a button send a scrambled message on another frequency. Don't know if they are available in the US yet but are very wide spread in the UK.
The UK Military Intelligence has over 2,000 known Islamic terrorism suspects under investigation and will send in armed response teams to detain them if it looks like something is going down. Mossad make them look like schoolchildren playing cops and robbers.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I watched the videos and THOSE definitely don't pass the smell test.

There are plenty of articles about the rocket attack on the bus. Have a look for yourself.


And why are you so surprised that Hamas launched a rocket at a school bus ?? They are known for mainly targeting civilians.

It's your argument that doesn't pass the smell test, because you can't have it both ways. You're trying to burn the candle at both ends.

The very reason the rockets are considered "war crimes", is the same reason that say's your comments are full of shit. They cannot launch rockets at a bus, or target children with those rockets. They have no guidance systems with which to do that. That's why they're classified as "indiscriminant" weapons.

So you need to pick!

• Are the rockets war crimes?
• Do they target children and busses, with the rockets?

You can't have both!

Shaar HaNegev school bus attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shaar HaNegev school bus attack was a missile attack on April 7, 2011, in which Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet laser-guided anti-tank missile over the border at an Israeli school bus, killing a schoolboy.[1]

Hamas claimed the bus was traveling on a road used by Israeli military vehicles and it did not know that schoolchildren were on board.[2] Israel said the yellow color of the bus made it easily identifiable and accused Hamas of "crossing a line."[2]

The missile hit the bus after all but one of the children had been dropped off.[3] The only remaining passenger, a 16-year-old boy, Daniel Viflic,[4] was critically injured with shrapnel wounds to the head and died from his injuries on 17 April.[5] The driver was lightly injured.[6][7][8][9] Another mortar barrage was timed to coincide with the arrival of the paramedics, which delayed the evacuation.

 

[Phoenall]

You can believe it if you want.

How about the hundreds of Palestinians that Israel has killed?

Geez, what's with your deflections?? We started discussing the bus attack because we were talking about Hamas having anti tank missiles, remember ??

I find it very pathetic Tinmore that you would deny such an attack happening

I provided you with more then enough evidence, including the boys name on Btselem, the same site that you use

OK, it happened. What happened?

The cowards from gaza knew that they only target they could get with the anti tank missile would be a civilian one, as they don't shoot back. So they went for their preferred target and chose a schoolbus. Close enough for you

 

[Phoenall]

Israel imports weapons all the time.

Do you have a point?

Yes they don't use them to terrorise their neighbours, just to defend their civilians from attack

https://www.google.com/search?q=hom...HOyAH6pICQBw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=622

AND!!!!! all you are showing the level of defence that Israel has put in place to protect its citizens, if you read the Geneva conventions you will find that these fall short of just how much Israel can actually do. While the muslims are attacking Israel will use lethal force to repel the attackers, as spelt out under International Law.

If you have a problem with this take it up with hamas who are behind all the problems.

 

[Billo_Really]

Terrorists, militants hardly murder now is it to kill a soldier trying to kill you. Just that Israel is better trained and has better weapons, and don't fire at walls

You wanna know what they do to the walls?

They take a big shit in the middle of the room, then grab "Mr. Hanky" and write "Death to arabs" on the walls.

 

[Phoenall]

Listen, Phoenall, with that truckload of videos supplied to Mr. Tinmore from Hamas that he has brought up so many times, you would think he could show us one which depicts all these houses being bulldozed. Personally I don't think Mr. Tinmore has any problems with his friends smuggling in weapons through tunnels to kill Israelis. You see how those dopes shoot their AK47's in the air when they are celebrating? Evidently they never heard that what goes up must come down.

There was a case some years back were a weapon was discharged in the air and the bullet came down and killed a baby, guess who was initially blamed for the death by the likes of tinny. No remorse or retraction either when it was proven that the IDF could not have fired the shot

Why don't you provide us a link from a reliable source for that.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Here you go take your pick

Celebratory gunfire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ohio Man Shoots Gun In Air . . . Kills Amish Girl Over A Mile Away | JONATHAN TURLEY

Death of 7-year-old boy shot on July Fourth in Virginia puts focus on celebratory gunfire | Fox News

Va. mom charged after firing gun into air to scare off daughter's attackers - Washington Times

 

[Billo_Really]

Shaar HaNegev school bus attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shaar HaNegev school bus attack was a missile attack on April 7, 2011, in which Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet laser-guided anti-tank missile over the border at an Israeli school bus, killing a schoolboy.[1]

Hamas claimed the bus was traveling on a road used by Israeli military vehicles and it did not know that schoolchildren were on board.[2] Israel said the yellow color of the bus made it easily identifiable and accused Hamas of "crossing a line."[2]

The missile hit the bus after all but one of the children had been dropped off.[3] The only remaining passenger, a 16-year-old boy, Daniel Viflic,[4] was critically injured with shrapnel wounds to the head and died from his injuries on 17 April.[5] The driver was lightly injured.[6][7][8][9] Another mortar barrage was timed to coincide with the arrival of the paramedics, which delayed the evacuation.

Thanks for the added information! So they do have weapons they can guide to their target? But it's still a war crime, because that town is on the Israeli side of the border. Therefore, the children on the bus, are considered civilians and cannot be targeted.

With that being said, maybe Israel hides the IDF in school busses? If that was the case, then this was a legitimate target. I will gladly remove that comment, when you stop claiming Hamas hides terrorists in ambulances.

BTW, from your own link, Hamas had this to say...

Hamas claimed that the attack was carried out in retaliation for the killing of three of its leaders on April 2-3

So again, the rocket attacks are in response to an Israeli extra-judicial killing.

 

[Phoenall]

And before Israel they worked on their own farms producing the crops that were sold all over the world.

It doesn't look like Israel is doing them a big favor.

VERY VERY FEW the majority were itinerant labourers that moved around a lot, and they worked on the same farms for the same Jews for the same wage level. The tenant farmers could not afford to employ them so they never worked on muslim farms. All in the history books that you refuse to read in case they prove you to be a RABID JEW HATING LIAR.

1920

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07

Excerpt

But the Syrian province of Palestine, about one hundred and fifty miles long and fifty miles broad, largely mountainous and sterile, contains at present a population of more than 650,000, divided as follows: Mohammedan Arabs, 515,000; Jews, 63,000; Christian Arabs, 62,000; nomadic Bedouins, 50,000; unclassified, 5000. Of these the Mohammedans and Christians are to a man bitterly opposed to any Zionist claims, whether made by would-be rulers or by settlers. It may not be generally known, but a goodly number of the Jewish dwellers in the land are not anxious to see a large immigration into the country. This is partly due to the fear that the result of such immigration would be an overcrowding of the industrial and agricultural market; but a number of the more respectable older settlers have been disgusted by the recent arrivals in Palestine of their coreligionists, unhappy individuals from Russia and Roumania brought in under the auspices of the Zionist Commission from the cities of Southeastern Europe, and neither able nor willing to work at agriculture or fruit-farming.



The old colonists believe that what is required to help the country is the immigration of a moderate number of persons, who should be in possession of some capital to invest in agriculture, or have technical knowledge of farming; not, as proposed by the Zionist Commission, an unlimited immigration of poor and ignorant people from the cities of Europe, who, if they are unable to make a living in Western cities, would most certainly starve in an Eastern agricultural country. The presence in Palestine of such agricultural experts as the late Mr. Aaronsohn, and Mr. Moses Levine of the Jewish Farm at Ben Shamer, near Ludd, both American Jews of great talent, is of the greatest advantage to the country, and is generally acknowledged so to be by all classes of the population. The arrival of more such colonists would be welcome to all but the whole population will resist the Zionist Commission's plan of wholesale immigration of Jews into Palestine at the rate of one hundred thousand a year, until a total of three millions has been reached, which number they claim the country can support if cultivated to its utmost.

Do explain sha why the British stopped all Jewish migration keeping the levels at 60,000 while allowing uncontrolled muslim migration increasing the numbers to 1 million.
Why it fell to the Jews to buy land from the Ottoman owners and convert it into productive farmland while the muslims just grew weeds.
Why the Jews ended up owning more land than the muslims even after the muslims rioted and MASS MURDERED a lot of jews in 1929. Completely ethnically cleansing Hebron of its Jewish owners in the process.
Youe muslim friends still brag about that to this day don't they .

 

[Phoenall]

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead (Gaza, West Bank, total)

Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces 470 74 544
Palestinians killed by Israeli civilians 0 5 5
Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians 0 17 17
Israeli security force personnel killed by Palestinians 4 3 7

Fatalities after operation Cast Lead | B'Tselem

Proves just one thing the filistans love death as much as we love our children, that is why they put their only commodity in harms way. Time for the UN to institute a contraceptive programme in gaza and to stop the filistans breeding cannon fodder

That's ugly... Arabs love their children as much as Jews love their children.

It may be ugly but it is a fact as shown by the way they put them in front of armed terrorists to act as human shields. In gaza children are cheap and can be got anywhere

 

[Shaarona]

VERY VERY FEW the majority were itinerant labourers that moved around a lot, and they worked on the same farms for the same Jews for the same wage level. The tenant farmers could not afford to employ them so they never worked on muslim farms. All in the history books that you refuse to read in case they prove you to be a RABID JEW HATING LIAR.

1920

Zionist Aspirations in Palestine - 20.07

Excerpt

But the Syrian province of Palestine, about one hundred and fifty miles long and fifty miles broad, largely mountainous and sterile, contains at present a population of more than 650,000, divided as follows: Mohammedan Arabs, 515,000; Jews, 63,000; Christian Arabs, 62,000; nomadic Bedouins, 50,000; unclassified, 5000. Of these the Mohammedans and Christians are to a man bitterly opposed to any Zionist claims, whether made by would-be rulers or by settlers. It may not be generally known, but a goodly number of the Jewish dwellers in the land are not anxious to see a large immigration into the country. This is partly due to the fear that the result of such immigration would be an overcrowding of the industrial and agricultural market; but a number of the more respectable older settlers have been disgusted by the recent arrivals in Palestine of their coreligionists, unhappy individuals from Russia and Roumania brought in under the auspices of the Zionist Commission from the cities of Southeastern Europe, and neither able nor willing to work at agriculture or fruit-farming.



The old colonists believe that what is required to help the country is the immigration of a moderate number of persons, who should be in possession of some capital to invest in agriculture, or have technical knowledge of farming; not, as proposed by the Zionist Commission, an unlimited immigration of poor and ignorant people from the cities of Europe, who, if they are unable to make a living in Western cities, would most certainly starve in an Eastern agricultural country. The presence in Palestine of such agricultural experts as the late Mr. Aaronsohn, and Mr. Moses Levine of the Jewish Farm at Ben Shamer, near Ludd, both American Jews of great talent, is of the greatest advantage to the country, and is generally acknowledged so to be by all classes of the population. The arrival of more such colonists would be welcome to all but the whole population will resist the Zionist Commission's plan of wholesale immigration of Jews into Palestine at the rate of one hundred thousand a year, until a total of three millions has been reached, which number they claim the country can support if cultivated to its utmost.

Do explain sha why the British stopped all Jewish migration keeping the levels at 60,000 while allowing uncontrolled muslim migration increasing the numbers to 1 million.
Why it fell to the Jews to buy land from the Ottoman owners and convert it into productive farmland while the muslims just grew weeds.
Why the Jews ended up owning more land than the muslims even after the muslims rioted and MASS MURDERED a lot of jews in 1929. Completely ethnically cleansing Hebron of its Jewish owners in the process.
Youe muslim friends still brag about that to this day don't they .

After the destruction of the First Temple, most of the Jewish inhabitants of Hebron were exiled, and according to the conventional view,[51] their place was taken by Edomites in about 587 BCE. Some Jews appear to have lived there after the return from the Babylonian exile.

 

[Phoenall]

I watched the videos and THOSE definitely don't pass the smell test.

There are plenty of articles about the rocket attack on the bus. Have a look for yourself.


And why are you so surprised that Hamas launched a rocket at a school bus ?? They are known for mainly targeting civilians.

It's your argument that doesn't pass the smell test, because you can't have it both ways. You're trying to burn the candle at both ends.

The very reason the rockets are considered "war crimes", is the same reason that say's your comments are full of shit. They cannot launch rockets at a bus, or target children with those rockets. They have no guidance systems with which to do that. That's why they're classified as "indiscriminant" weapons.

So you need to pick!

• Are the rockets war crimes?
• Do they target children and busses, with the rockets?

You can't have both!

Have you even been reading this discourse, and how the sub-thread is about anti tank missiles which are guided. So making the targeting of children with these weapons a war crime.
You see they need to be fixed on the target first so that the guidance system can lock on, the cowards of hamas don't like that as they are in full sight of any IDF target and will be shot at so they go for the soft option CHILDREN

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Shaar HaNegev school bus attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shaar HaNegev school bus attack was a missile attack on April 7, 2011, in which Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet laser-guided anti-tank missile over the border at an Israeli school bus, killing a schoolboy.[1]

Hamas claimed the bus was traveling on a road used by Israeli military vehicles and it did not know that schoolchildren were on board.[2] Israel said the yellow color of the bus made it easily identifiable and accused Hamas of "crossing a line."[2]

The missile hit the bus after all but one of the children had been dropped off.[3] The only remaining passenger, a 16-year-old boy, Daniel Viflic,[4] was critically injured with shrapnel wounds to the head and died from his injuries on 17 April.[5] The driver was lightly injured.[6][7][8][9] Another mortar barrage was timed to coincide with the arrival of the paramedics, which delayed the evacuation.

Thanks for the added information! So they do have weapons they can guide to their target? But it's still a war crime, because that town is on the Israeli side of the border. Therefore, the children on the bus, are considered civilians and cannot be targeted.

With that being said, maybe Israel hides the IDF in school busses? If that was the case, then this was a legitimate target. I will gladly remove that comment, when you stop claiming Hamas hides terrorists in ambulances.

BTW, from your own link, Hamas had this to say...

Hamas claimed that the attack was carried out in retaliation for the killing of three of its leaders on April 2-3

So again, the rocket attacks are in response to an Israeli extra-judicial killing.

What warped thinking you have. Israel targets Hamas leaders so that gives Hamas the right to target a school bus???

There is plenty of evidence that Hamas uses ambulance to transport its terrorists around, and also to hide arms.

 

[Phoenall]

I watched the videos and THOSE definitely don't pass the smell test.

There are plenty of articles about the rocket attack on the bus. Have a look for yourself.


And why are you so surprised that Hamas launched a rocket at a school bus ?? They are known for mainly targeting civilians.

It's your argument that doesn't pass the smell test, because you can't have it both ways. You're trying to burn the candle at both ends.

The very reason the rockets are considered "war crimes", is the same reason that say's your comments are full of shit. They cannot launch rockets at a bus, or target children with those rockets. They have no guidance systems with which to do that. That's why they're classified as "indiscriminant" weapons.

So you need to pick!

• Are the rockets war crimes?
• Do they target children and busses, with the rockets?

You can't have both!

Shaar HaNegev school bus attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shaar HaNegev school bus attack was a missile attack on April 7, 2011, in which Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet laser-guided anti-tank missile over the border at an Israeli school bus, killing a schoolboy.[1]

Hamas claimed the bus was traveling on a road used by Israeli military vehicles and it did not know that schoolchildren were on board.[2] Israel said the yellow color of the bus made it easily identifiable and accused Hamas of "crossing a line."[2]

The missile hit the bus after all but one of the children had been dropped off.[3] The only remaining passenger, a 16-year-old boy, Daniel Viflic,[4] was critically injured with shrapnel wounds to the head and died from his injuries on 17 April.[5] The driver was lightly injured.[6][7][8][9] Another mortar barrage was timed to coincide with the arrival of the paramedics, which delayed the evacuation.

Now I bet dildo feela a right idiot for not reading the sub-thread in regards to anti tank misslies used against Israeli children.

 

[Lipush]

Shaar HaNegev school bus attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shaar HaNegev school bus attack was a missile attack on April 7, 2011, in which Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired a Kornet laser-guided anti-tank missile over the border at an Israeli school bus, killing a schoolboy.[1]

Hamas claimed the bus was traveling on a road used by Israeli military vehicles and it did not know that schoolchildren were on board.[2] Israel said the yellow color of the bus made it easily identifiable and accused Hamas of "crossing a line."[2]

The missile hit the bus after all but one of the children had been dropped off.[3] The only remaining passenger, a 16-year-old boy, Daniel Viflic,[4] was critically injured with shrapnel wounds to the head and died from his injuries on 17 April.[5] The driver was lightly injured.[6][7][8][9] Another mortar barrage was timed to coincide with the arrival of the paramedics, which delayed the evacuation.

Thanks for the added information! So they do have weapons they can guide to their target? But it's still a war crime, because that town is on the Israeli side of the border. Therefore, the children on the bus, are considered civilians and cannot be targeted.

With that being said, maybe Israel hides the IDF in school busses? If that was the case, then this was a legitimate target. I will gladly remove that comment, when you stop claiming Hamas hides terrorists in ambulances.

BTW, from your own link, Hamas had this to say...

Hamas claimed that the attack was carried out in retaliation for the killing of three of its leaders on April 2-3

So again, the rocket attacks are in response to an Israeli extra-judicial killing.

You have said yourself that the rocket attacks do not distinguish civilians from non-civilians.

In another word, they launch them hoping civilians will be hurt.

How is that more acceptable in your eyes when you non-stop protest the harming of uninvolved civilians on the Palestinian side?

 

[Phoenall]

Terrorists, militants hardly murder now is it to kill a soldier trying to kill you. Just that Israel is better trained and has better weapons, and don't fire at walls

You wanna know what they do to the walls?

They take a big shit in the middle of the room, then grab "Mr. Hanky" and write "Death to arabs" on the walls.

Unlike the pallywood actors who shit in their pants at the first sign of the IDF. This is why they target unarmed children