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I offered a solution, namely the Israelis, both military and settlers, should return to Israel. This will render acts of resistance to the occupation obsolete.
In point of fact, you did. You said all the "settlers" must leave what is to become Palestinian territory. How do I tell the difference between a settler and a Jew?As I stated, I do not believe that either Palestine or Israel should be ethnically cleansed.
We agree. Fortunately, no one is preventing Palestinian self-government. Palestinians have self-government in Gaza and in Areas A and B. The only dispute is where their territory of self-government should end and Israel's begin.Palestine has a right to self government and it is in no other country's authority to either give or withhold this right.
What does Israel need to do to live in peace? What do the Palestinians and Gazans have to do?If Israel makes a determined effort to live in peace with its closest neighbor, there could be peace.
What comes from Israel I CAN boycott, if I was so motivated? I support Israel. All you Jew haters couch things in different terms, and Palestine this and Arab THAT. If Palestinian Arabs would tone down the hate, you'd be surprised how easy it is to get along. Why not?
Caution, reality.
BTW, do you see any rocket launchers?
The fight started with Zionist colonization.P F Tinmore, et al,
Don't think for a moment that your cartoon analogy is actually convincing.
(COMMENT)Caution, reality.
BTW, do you see any rocket launchers?
Most Americans don't try to start fight, but it happens. However, most of us are taught that once the fur starts flying, you end it. That's what we do.
Most Respectfully,
R
Gaza is still occupied. You do not understand that having a military on a border which is closed while children nearby are sniped at, controlling the airspace, forbidding fishermen to go beyond three miles in their own waters, and periodically massacring the civilian population so that the entire Gaza is like a concentration camp, is effective occupation.I offered a solution, namely the Israelis, both military and settlers, should return to Israel. This will render acts of resistance to the occupation obsolete.
It didn't work with Gaza. No part of Gaza is "occupied" by either military or settlers. The boundary between Gaza and Israel is clear. And yet the Gazans are still resisting.
Why is that, do you think?
Creating settlements is forbidden in international law.In point of fact, you did. You said all the "settlers" must leave what is to become Palestinian territory. How do I tell the difference between a settler and a Jew?As I stated, I do not believe that either Palestine or Israel should be ethnically cleansed.
We agree. Fortunately, no one is preventing Palestinian self-government. Palestinians have self-government in Gaza and in Areas A and B. The only dispute is where their territory of self-government should end and Israel's begin.Palestine has a right to self government and it is in no other country's authority to either give or withhold this right.
What does Israel need to do to live in peace? What do the Palestinians and Gazans have to do?If Israel makes a determined effort to live in peace with its closest neighbor, there could be peace.
This isn't a religious conflict.Well, obviously not. If you knew anything of Islamist history, you would know that Islamic history is one of perpetual wars. Islam has always been both internally and externally destructive. The various Islamist dictators who have, at various times in the past (and in the present), chosen to further the islamist caliphates, have typically been targets of opportunity for the next-in-line. History tells us that half of the rightly guided Caliphs were assassinated by other Moslems. All of them fought civil wars with Moslems and Moslem rebels when not at war with the kuffar.The fight started with Zionist colonization.P F Tinmore, et al,
Don't think for a moment that your cartoon analogy is actually convincing.
(COMMENT)Caution, reality.
BTW, do you see any rocket launchers?
Most Americans don't try to start fight, but it happens. However, most of us are taught that once the fur starts flying, you end it. That's what we do.
Most Respectfully,
R
(COMMENT)Gaza is still occupied. You do not understand that having a military on a border which is closed while children nearby are sniped at, controlling the airspace, forbidding fishermen to go beyond three miles in their own waters, and periodically massacring the civilian population so that the entire Gaza is like a concentration camp, is effective occupation.
(COMMENT)Creating settlements is forbidden in international law.
The limited self-government allowed in the occupied territories is a sham, similar to the Judenräte of occupied Poland in the last century.
Israel and you need to understand these things.
I offered a solution, namely the Israelis, both military and settlers, should return to Israel. This will render acts of resistance to the occupation obsolete.Okay. You are parroting common soundbites from Team Palestine, without actually producing fruitful discussion of the conflict let alone solutions to the conflict.
Yes; the acquisition of land through war is forbidden in international law.However, you did answer my questions indirectly. You believe:
That the determination of borders between countries in conflict should be a result of what the "world" sees and should be imposed rather than negotiated and agreed upon.
No; you should not take the return of settlers to mean that all Jews should leave Palestine.You believe that Palestine should be ethnically cleansed and made Judenrein. (Do you think that Israel should be emptied of all Palestinians as well? A population transfer, equally imposed on both sides? Why or why not?)
Also, it is against international law for an occupying country to transfer its citizens to conquered land.
As I stated, I do not believe that either Palestine or Israel should be ethnically cleansed.You believe that once Palestine is ethnically cleansed of all Jews and given self-government that Palestine has a right to continue to attack Israel and that Israel has no right to respond to those attacks in any way (neither through non-violent means such as economic sanctions and blockades nor through military operations). (Do you think that Israel has the right to continue to attack Palestine?)
Palestine has a right to self government and it is in no other country's authority to either give or withhold this right.
If Israel makes a determined effort to live in peace with its closest neighbor, there could be peace.
All sovereign nations have the right to self defense.
You have described the European Union. It works.You believe that the international border between Israel and Palestine should be entirely open with neither side having border controls and all people and goods to be transported freely between the two nations.
When neighbors respect the rights of each other there is the condition for peace. Otherwise, the future looks bleak.Why do you think these beliefs will bring an end of conflict and peace?
Gaza is still occupied. You do not understand that having a military on a border which is closed while children nearby are sniped at, controlling the airspace, forbidding fishermen to go beyond three miles in their own waters, and periodically massacring the civilian population so that the entire Gaza is like a concentration camp, is effective occupation.I offered a solution, namely the Israelis, both military and settlers, should return to Israel. This will render acts of resistance to the occupation obsolete.
It didn't work with Gaza. No part of Gaza is "occupied" by either military or settlers. The boundary between Gaza and Israel is clear. And yet the Gazans are still resisting.
Why is that, do you think?
Creating settlements is forbidden in international law.In point of fact, you did. You said all the "settlers" must leave what is to become Palestinian territory. How do I tell the difference between a settler and a Jew?As I stated, I do not believe that either Palestine or Israel should be ethnically cleansed.
We agree. Fortunately, no one is preventing Palestinian self-government. Palestinians have self-government in Gaza and in Areas A and B. The only dispute is where their territory of self-government should end and Israel's begin.Palestine has a right to self government and it is in no other country's authority to either give or withhold this right.
What does Israel need to do to live in peace? What do the Palestinians and Gazans have to do?If Israel makes a determined effort to live in peace with its closest neighbor, there could be peace.
The limited self-government allowed in the occupied territories is a sham, similar to the Judenräte of occupied Poland in the last century.
Israel and you need to understand these things.
Gaza is still occupied. You do not understand that having a military on a border which is closed while children nearby are sniped at, controlling the airspace, forbidding fishermen to go beyond three miles in their own waters, and periodically massacring the civilian population so that the entire Gaza is like a concentration camp, is effective occupation.I offered a solution, namely the Israelis, both military and settlers, should return to Israel. This will render acts of resistance to the occupation obsolete.
It didn't work with Gaza. No part of Gaza is "occupied" by either military or settlers. The boundary between Gaza and Israel is clear. And yet the Gazans are still resisting.
Why is that, do you think?
Creating settlements is forbidden in international law.What does Israel need to do to live in peace? What do the Palestinians and Gazans have to do?
The limited self-government allowed in the occupied territories is a sham, similar to the Judenräte of occupied Poland in the last century.
Israel and you need to understand these things.
You are mistaken; the Israeli navy patrols the territorial waters of Gaza and prohibits by shooting Palestinian fishermen from going beyond 3 miles. The Israeli air force prevents Palestinians from using their own air space. The Israeli army are all around the Gaza border and keeps the Palestinians prisoners in their own land, controlling who and what can enter or leave.Eloy, et al,
This statement is so screwed-up, it cannot be salvaged.
(COMMENT)Gaza is still occupied. You do not understand that having a military on a border which is closed while children nearby are sniped at, controlling the airspace, forbidding fishermen to go beyond three miles in their own waters, and periodically massacring the civilian population so that the entire Gaza is like a concentration camp, is effective occupation.
The Gaza Strip has not been actually placed under the Israeli authority [the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) acting as] of hostile army.
Please forgive me for not answering all your statements but, as you can see, your first sentence was so full of error that time does not permit me to do more at this time.Nor has the IDF been in a position to extends it effective control or authority since the unilateral withdrawal in 2005. If it had, then the Occupation Police would have been able to prevent the construction of underground tunnels across the frontier and into Israel. The Occupation Force would have been able to prevented the UNRWA from hiding rockets in UN facilities. And, the Occupation Force would have been able to prevented the launching of rockets from the vicinity of protected facilities and across the frontier into Israel.
In the last half century, there has not been been but a handful of suspect incidents of murder committed by IDF Military Personnel. All suspicious incident have been investigated, and prosecuted when wrongful action was determined.
Since 2009, there has not been but a handful of suspicious incidents in which, in a total disregard for human life, instigators and provocateurs have attempted to challenged the blockade administrered under the Rules outlined in Section II - Methods of Warfare in the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea, 12 June 1994.
There has been no Massacre of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip in the last half century.
Most Respectfully,
R
You appear to be unfamiliar with International Law.Eloy, et al,
This is another travesty of the truth.
(COMMENT)Creating settlements is forbidden in international law.
The limited self-government allowed in the occupied territories is a sham, similar to the Judenräte of occupied Poland in the last century.
Israel and you need to understand these things.
There is no law pertaining to the establishment of settlements in which Israel has full control over a recognized international agreement.
There is no comparison to the Israelis building settlements for themselves within their jurisdiction (Area "C") and the relocation of Jews into the Judenrat or Jewish Ghetto in Poland (WWII). This is drama queen ravings by over motional Arab Palestinians.
The Judenrat, or Jewish Council
When the German authorities herded the Jewish population of Poland first into urban areas, and subsequently into ghettos, they required each community to form a Jewish Council. In smaller cities the councils had twelve members, in larger towns the number was twenty-four.
Most often composed of former community leaders, the councils took on all the duties of a local government. Most importantly for the Germans, the councils acted as intermediaries to carry out the their increasingly oppressive dictates, such as providing forced labor battalions for German war factories, and eventually even delivering Jews directly to the trains bound for the death camps.
Return to:
- Conditions for Polish Jews
- Halina Ogrodzinska Story, Part 1
- Christine Damski Story, Part 5
Most Respectfully,
R
Please see my Post #1537 above.Gaza is still occupied. You do not understand that having a military on a border which is closed while children nearby are sniped at, controlling the airspace, forbidding fishermen to go beyond three miles in their own waters, and periodically massacring the civilian population so that the entire Gaza is like a concentration camp, is effective occupation.I offered a solution, namely the Israelis, both military and settlers, should return to Israel. This will render acts of resistance to the occupation obsolete.
It didn't work with Gaza. No part of Gaza is "occupied" by either military or settlers. The boundary between Gaza and Israel is clear. And yet the Gazans are still resisting.
Why is that, do you think?
Let's review. You said that the removal of military and settlers from territory will render acts of resistance obsolete and will therefore result in a peaceful solution to the conflict.
Israel unilaterally removed all military and all settlers from Gaza. And yet the Gazans still resist. It did not result in peace. It did not provide a solution.
Knowing this, why do you assert that these types of unilateral actions by Israel will bring peace? Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting it will bring different results.
(And I fully agree with Rocco that your interpretation of the law is unsound).
