Botched Oklahoma Execution

[Geaux4it]

Sounds like we need to bring back 'Ole Sparky'

Not much goes wrong with that beast. Just add more water to the sponge and keep cranking up the juice.

-Geaux

"Blowing from a gun is a method of execution in which the victim is typically tied to the mouth of a cannon and the cannon is fired. George Carter Stent describes the process as follows:

The prisoner is generally tied to a gun with the upper part of the small of his back resting against the muzzle. When the gun is fired, his head is seen to go straight up into the air some 40 or fifty feet; the arms fly off right and left, high up in the air, and fall at, perhaps, a hundred yards distance; the legs drop to the ground beneath the muzzle of the gun; and the body is literally blown away altogether, not a vestige being seen[1]"

Blowing from a gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[IlarMeilyr]

It was botched because he wasn't executed. Still, a satisfactory ending.

So he is alive? Funny, I've heard the exact opposite.

If you die of a heart attack, you have not been executed. It really isn't that difficult.

If you wouldn't have gotten the heart attack but for the chemicals inserted into you by the State, your death by heart attack was caused by the execution. Ergo, you were "executed."

Not difficult at all.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

If you die of a heart attack, you have not been executed. It really isn't that difficult.

If the heart attack was triggered by the method of execution, then yes you have.

The heart attack could not have been triggered by the method of execution. These drugs are not designed to induce heart attacks.

They are indeed designed to stop the heart which is what a heart attack is.

So, said bluntly, you are completely wrong.

His execution was a smashing success.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The foul up is that death penalty opponents have successfully persuaded the pharmaceutical makers to stop providing the chemicals that work. Therefore, states are forced to use chemicals that don't work very well. The goal is to end the death penalty because the lives of the killers are more worthwhile than the lives of their victims.

We can return to hanging, or firing squad. A killer by his acts, assume the risk that something might go wrong with the execution and he would face a longer and more painful death than he anticipated.

"successfully persuaded"?

most civilized countries no longer have a death penalty.

so, no, people don't want to be associated with it.

most countries will not extradite to us if a capital crime is charged.

the death penalty is ineffective as a deterrent and diminishes us as s society. yes, there are times it feels morally satisfying. but the fact over 3 hundred death row inmates have been exonerated by the innocence project and the fact that it is disproportionately used along racial lines should be sufficient for us to get rid of it.

No it isn't ineffective.

Death by execution is 100% EFFECTIVE as a deterrent.

It never EVER fails to deter the person executed from killing again.

 

[Meathead]

So he is alive? Funny, I've heard the exact opposite.

If you die of a heart attack, you have not been executed. It really isn't that difficult.

If you wouldn't have gotten the heart attack but for the chemicals inserted into you by the State, your death by heart attack was caused by the execution. Ergo, you were "executed."

Not difficult at all.

That's like saying anyone who has a heart attack in a stressful situation is executed. And no, these drugs are not designed to induce people heart attacks. Trust me, if they were, we would have heard it from the bleeding hearts. Heart attacks are decidedly painful and damage the heart after which sometimes people die.

 

[Geaux4it]

Did I miss something? The dude wound up dead, eventually, ..... right?

Hardly botched

-Geaux

 

[Listening]

And why can't we hang them ?

Capital Punishment is actually a sign of a civilized society. It shows that you have order. If you have it on the books (and it should be for some crimes) and you follow through per the law, that is civilization.

Rope is so much cheaper and has centuries of proven success.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

If you die of a heart attack, you have not been executed. It really isn't that difficult.

If you wouldn't have gotten the heart attack but for the chemicals inserted into you by the State, your death by heart attack was caused by the execution. Ergo, you were "executed."

Not difficult at all.

That's like saying anyone who has a heart attack in a stressful situation is executed. And no, these drugs are not designed to induce people heart attacks. Trust me, if they were, we would have heard it from the bleeding hearts. Heart attacks are decidedly painful and damage the heart after which sometimes people die.

Wrong. It's not "like" any such thing.

If you inject a drug designed to stop the heart (i.e. to cause a heart attack) and it causes a heart attack that results in death, then you have executed the stupid cock-bite son of a twat.

If you cause stress with no intent to cause a heart attack, you haven't performed an execution. Words have meaning.

Try to smarten up.

 

[OKTexas]

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The problem with your premise is that you seem to think there is no middle ground between "Letting them go free" and "execute the bastards".

We could lock them up for the rest of their lives in horrible conditions. That would work just fine.

Why don't we just shoot them? No suffering involved and no more expense to the taxpayers.

Because if you shoot the wrong guy, you can't unshoot him.

ANd here's the thing. Executing people is a lot more expensive than locking them up, because frankly, the day it is determined we executed the wrong guy, capital punishment is over.

So the states have to be very careful that they can at least plausibly claim they got the right guy.

Which means that these cases have to be litigated and relitigated again and again.

That's not unique to capital cases, appeals for all types of cases are over loading the courts, that's one reason it takes so long to dispense of the capital cases.

 

[Meathead]

If you wouldn't have gotten the heart attack but for the chemicals inserted into you by the State, your death by heart attack was caused by the execution. Ergo, you were "executed."

Not difficult at all.

That's like saying anyone who has a heart attack in a stressful situation is executed. And no, these drugs are not designed to induce people heart attacks. Trust me, if they were, we would have heard it from the bleeding hearts. Heart attacks are decidedly painful and damage the heart after which sometimes people die.

Wrong. It's not "like" any such thing.

If you inject a drug designed to stop the heart (i.e. to cause a heart attack) and it causes a heart attack that results in death, then you have executed the stupid cock-bite son of a twat.

If you cause stress with no intent to cause a heart attack, you haven't performed an execution. Words have meaning.

Try to smarten up.

FFS. This is largely a pointless matter. The sob is dead, but he died of a heart attack, not heart failure which is technically not the same thing.

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/heartattack/

 

[IlarMeilyr]

That's like saying anyone who has a heart attack in a stressful situation is executed. And no, these drugs are not designed to induce people heart attacks. Trust me, if they were, we would have heard it from the bleeding hearts. Heart attacks are decidedly painful and damage the heart after which sometimes people die.

Wrong. It's not "like" any such thing.

If you inject a drug designed to stop the heart (i.e. to cause a heart attack) and it causes a heart attack that results in death, then you have executed the stupid cock-bite son of a twat.

If you cause stress with no intent to cause a heart attack, you haven't performed an execution. Words have meaning.

Try to smarten up.

FFS. This is largely a pointless matter. The sob is dead, but he died of a heart attack, not heart failure which is technically not the same thing.

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/heartattack/

Your argument really is pointless. And you remain wrong.

The State injected him intending to stop his heart (which IS, by the way, a heart attack). The injection DID stop his heart. He died.

The execution worked.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What happened today was barbaric. The drugs are now difficult to come by and probably not tested properly. The guy writhed in pain and sat up, saying "something's wrong".

Oh that poor baby!!! I'd have tied em up and thrown his sorry ass in a hole and slowly,very slowly,filled it with sand. And to make things even better I would have given him a small tube to breath through so I could plug it every once and a while just for fun.
Piece of shit got off to easy.....

 

[HenryBHough]

It's hard to improve on "dead" when it's so well deserved.

 

[JFK_USA]

The foul up is that death penalty opponents have successfully persuaded the pharmaceutical makers to stop providing the chemicals that work. Therefore, states are forced to use chemicals that don't work very well. The goal is to end the death penalty because the lives of the killers are more worthwhile than the lives of their victims.

We can return to hanging, or firing squad. A killer by his acts, assume the risk that something might go wrong with the execution and he would face a longer and more painful death than he anticipated.

"successfully persuaded"?

most civilized countries no longer have a death penalty.

so, no, people don't want to be associated with it.

most countries will not extradite to us if a capital crime is charged.

the death penalty is ineffective as a deterrent and diminishes us as s society. yes, there are times it feels morally satisfying. but the fact over 3 hundred death row inmates have been exonerated by the innocence project and the fact that it is disproportionately used along racial lines should be sufficient for us to get rid of it.

No it isn't ineffective.

Death by execution is 100% EFFECTIVE as a deterrent.

It never EVER fails to deter the person executed from killing again.

So does life imprisonment.

 

[HenryBHough]

So does life imprisonment.

Ah, then you also believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy, and that Obama was born in Hawaii!

Inmate sentenced to death for killing Washington guard - NY Daily News

"In January 2011, Byron Scherf, a convicted rapist who was already serving life in prison, strangled Officer Jayme Biendl with an amplifier cord at the Washington State Reformatory. On Wednesday, a jury recommended that Scherf, 54, face the death penalty."



Pity they didn't think of that sooner.......

 

[JFK_USA]

So does life imprisonment.

Ah, then you also believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy, and that Obama was born in Hawaii!

Inmate sentenced to death for killing Washington guard - NY Daily News

"In January 2011, Byron Scherf, a convicted rapist who was already serving life in prison, strangled Officer Jayme Biendl with an amplifier cord at the Washington State Reformatory. On Wednesday, a jury recommended that Scherf, 54, face the death penalty."



Pity they didn't think of that sooner.......

And death row inmates have killed people in jail too. The idea of deterrent was to deter OTHERS into not committing murder which my take is life imprisonment for first degree murder is just as effective of a deterrent.

 

[1776]

Murderers have killed other inmates and guards INSIDE PRISON.

Plus it is too expensive to keep them alive 30-50 more years in some lifetime sentence compared to just killing them off within 1-5 years of their trial.

"successfully persuaded"?

most civilized countries no longer have a death penalty.

so, no, people don't want to be associated with it.

most countries will not extradite to us if a capital crime is charged.

the death penalty is ineffective as a deterrent and diminishes us as s society. yes, there are times it feels morally satisfying. but the fact over 3 hundred death row inmates have been exonerated by the innocence project and the fact that it is disproportionately used along racial lines should be sufficient for us to get rid of it.

No it isn't ineffective.

Death by execution is 100% EFFECTIVE as a deterrent.

It never EVER fails to deter the person executed from killing again.

So does life imprisonment.

 

[HenryBHough]

So does life imprisonment.

Ah, then you also believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy, and that Obama was born in Hawaii!

Inmate sentenced to death for killing Washington guard - NY Daily News

"In January 2011, Byron Scherf, a convicted rapist who was already serving life in prison, strangled Officer Jayme Biendl with an amplifier cord at the Washington State Reformatory. On Wednesday, a jury recommended that Scherf, 54, face the death penalty."



Pity they didn't think of that sooner.......

And death row inmates have killed people in jail too. The idea of deterrent was to deter OTHERS into not committing murder which my take is life imprisonment for first degree murder is just as effective of a deterrent.

Very true.

That's why they shouldn't be on death row. The problem can be fixed with about two feet of piano wire and a couple of six (6, liberals) inch cuts of dowel. When the jury returns with a guilty verdict and the judge pronounces sentence there are only about 5 seconds of risk. Only.

 

[TheIceMan]

Had it taken twice as long, too bad.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Ah, then you also believe in unicorns, the tooth fairy, and that Obama was born in Hawaii!

Inmate sentenced to death for killing Washington guard - NY Daily News

"In January 2011, Byron Scherf, a convicted rapist who was already serving life in prison, strangled Officer Jayme Biendl with an amplifier cord at the Washington State Reformatory. On Wednesday, a jury recommended that Scherf, 54, face the death penalty."



Pity they didn't think of that sooner.......

And death row inmates have killed people in jail too. The idea of deterrent was to deter OTHERS into not committing murder which my take is life imprisonment for first degree murder is just as effective of a deterrent.

Very true.

That's why they shouldn't be on death row. The problem can be fixed with about two feet of piano wire and a couple of six (6, liberals) inch cuts of dowel. When the jury returns with a guilty verdict and the judge pronounces sentence there are only about 5 seconds of risk. Only.

Psychopathic. Seek professional psychiatric help!