Border Agent's Sentence Commuted

[DiveCon]

Sometimes. Other times I don't think there's a big difference. How often do we have cops shooting at Canadian border crossers, for instance? Or your white europeans?

maybe the ones that were sumggling drugs

 

[DiveCon]

Which white illegal immigrants were hated, dive?

all of them


actually, hate is the wrong word
but wanting them to be sent back where they came from under our immigration laws

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yuh, I should have said some, but in reality I think it is most. I honestly can't think of another reason that so many would be willing to excuse the criminal behavior of cops.

It has NOTHING to do with the criminals nationality you ditz it is because he is a CRIMINAL that smuggles drugs into the country. And he did not JUST cross the border to be in America , he crossed to deliver DRUGS illegally to be sold in America. You know, he is a fucking CRIMINAL.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Sometimes. Other times I don't think there's a big difference. How often do we have cops shooting at Canadian border crossers, for instance? Or your white europeans?

The ones smuggling drugs and resisting arrest get shot at no matter which border dumb shit.

 

[Sky Dancer]

all of them


actually, hate is the wrong word
but wanting them to be sent back where they came from under our immigration laws

I don't remember this as a big issue. Public outcry for the deportation of white illegal immigrants. It's those brown skinned folks we seem to be up in arms about.

I remember knowing Greek immigrants that had come into the US illegally. It didn't seem such a big deal. I don't remember anyone suggesting they should be deported or shot at when they jumped ship.

 

[DiveCon]

I don't remember this as a big issue. Public outcry for the deportation of white illegal immigrants. It's those brown skinned folks we seem to be up in arms about.

I remember knowing Greek immigrants that had come into the US illegally. It didn't seem such a big deal.

then either you havent been paying attention, or you hang out with a shit load of racists

 

[Sky Dancer]

I don't understand the comment, dive.

 

[DiveCon]

I don't understand the comment, dive.

if you only knew people that wanted just mexican illegals deported, then those people are RACISTS
the people i talk to want ALL illegals deported reguardless of where they came from

 

[Sky Dancer]

if you only knew people that wanted just mexican illegals deported, then those people are RACISTS
the people i talk to want ALL illegals deported reguardless of where they came from

It's been a big deal to deport illegal immigrants since they arrive in large numbers and happen to be brown.

My point is that it wasn't a problem for illegal white Europeans to sneak into the US without all this ugly brouhahaha.

Chances are it's still not a big deal for whites to sneak in and fly under the radar.

 

[Tech_Esq]

It's been a big deal to deport illegal immigrants since they arrive in large numbers and happen to be brown.

My point is that it wasn't a problem for illegal white Europeans to sneak into the US without all this ugly brouhahaha.

Chances are it's still not a big deal for whites to sneak in and fly under the radar.

I don't understand. What is the "not a big deal" standard?

 

[DiveCon]

It's been a big deal to deport illegal immigrants since they arrive in large numbers and happen to be brown.

My point is that it wasn't a problem for illegal white Europeans to sneak into the US without all this ugly brouhahaha.

Chances are it's still not a big deal for whites to sneak in and fly under the radar.

well, then maybe its YOU that has the racist tendencies if you dont think it was a "big deal" to have whites breaking the law

 

[Harry Dresden]

It's been a big deal to deport illegal immigrants since they arrive in large numbers and happen to be brown.

only just recently ( with the brownies).....20-30 years ago this was no big deal,but since there are now 10 fucking million of them,and most in the last 10-15 years,it has a big effect on the local economy,its somewhat more noticable....dont ya think....and a big negative to this is,many are taking from the system and are either not putting anything OR very little back in.....

 

[indago]

CNN — LOU DOBBS TONIGHT — Aired January 22, 2009 - 19:00 ET

LOU DOBBS, CNN ANCHOR: Rising anger tonight over Mexico's government's outright meddling in U.S. affairs. The government of Mexico blasted the commutation of the prison sentences of former Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean. They've been in prison since January of 2007 for shooting and wounding a Mexican illegal alien drug smuggler who was given immunity to testify against those agents. Casey Wian now reports on the government of Mexico's outright intervention and meddling.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The government of Mexico has been involved in the case of former U.S. Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean from the beginning. The agents shot and wounded Mexican illegal alien Oswaldo Aldreti-Davila in February of 2004 after he abandoned this van filled with more than 700 pounds of marijuana.

Davila escaped across the Rio Grande. Weeks later, a friend of his family contacted the Border Patrol. And the U.S. Department of Homeland Security began an investigation that led to the convictions of Ramos and Compean. They were sentenced to 11 and 12 years in prison. Chief prosecutor has repeatedly denied the Mexican government influenced the case.

DOBBS: The Mexican Consulate contacted who?

JOHNNY SUTTON, U.S. ATTORNEY: The Mexican Consulate wrote the standard letter they always write in these cases.

DOBBS: You sure it is a standard letter?

SUTTON: I don't know. The letter was sent to the Homeland Security. But I can tell you that this case originated like any other case that we try in El Paso.

WIAN: Mexican authorities located Davila who was initially reluctant to cooperate with U.S. Homeland Security investigators.

Eventually the U.S. Justice Department offered Davila medical care and immunity from prosecution to testify against Ramos and Compean. Prosecutors said he was unarmed when shot. In July 2007, a House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee held hearings on Mexico's role in the case. The Departments of Homeland Security and Justice declined to appear. The State Department sent two deputy assistant secretaries who were unable to provide definitive answers.

REP. BILL DELAHUNT, (D) MA: Are you aware of any other U.S. government agencies' communications with the Mexican government?

GREG STARR, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT: There were not notes exchange, that's correct.

CHARLES SHAPIRO, U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT: I mean, I've seen them because I've pulled them out of the case file. And your staff sent me stuff. Other folks have sent me stuff. In fact, I've seen communications between the Mexican Consul in El Paso, and if I'm not mistaken, Border Patrol.

STARR: Correct.

SHAPIRO: Where they asked to have consular access to this individual.

WIAN: After former President Bush commuted the sentences of Ramos and Compean Monday, Mexico's deputy secretary for foreign relations Carlos Rico said, "It send a message of impunity." Rico added his government lobbied to keep the agents in prison. But the efforts of what he called anti-immigrant groups had more influence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's clearly unfounded. And it really demonstrates the ignorance of American justice.

WIAN: The National Border Patrol Council said in a statement while it is "not surprised in the least by the admission of the Mexican government that it lobbied long and hard for the prosecution of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean and against clemency for them, it is sickened by the fact that our own government acceded to those outrageous demands."

(END VIDEOTAPE)

WIAN (on camera): The Border Patrol union also called on President Obama and Congress to immediately begin an investigation. The Mexican Embassy did not respond to our request for a comment. Lou?

DOBBS: Now, talk about impunity. The fact that the deputy foreign minister would have the impunity to make such a statement, and that the government should conduct itself, the government of Mexico, conduct itself — I mean, this is truly ignorance. But the ignorance is such a mild degree of ignorance as compared to that of the Bush administration, through its Departments of Justice, its Department of Homeland Security, that I mean, it is absolutely unimaginable that George W. Bush, the president of the United States, and his administration, tolerated such interference.

WIAN: The key question that we'd really like to get answered, Lou, is when did this admitted lobbying by the Mexican government begin. Did it just start once the agents got into prison and border security activists and others were calling for their release? Did it start at the very beginning? They're not answering those questions now, Lou. Perhaps it's going to take the subpoena power of someone in Congress to find out the answers from the U.S. side.

DOBBS: Congressman Delahunt has done his level best, as have a number of congressmen, trying to get some answers. And the fact is they've been stone walled by their own party, their own government and the Bush administration has much to answer for.

I appreciate that George Bush commuted the sentences of these two agents. But man, are there still important questions to be answered here. And they are answers that the American people deserve. Thank you very much, Casey. Casey Wian.

 

[indago]

CNN — LOU DOBBS TONIGHT — Aired January 22, 2009 - 19:00 ET

LOU DOBBS, CNN ANCHOR: Joining me now with more, four congressman who fought hard and who continue to fight to clear the names of Ramos and Compean, Congressman Ted Poe and Congressman Walter Jones join us, as does Congressman John Culberson and Congressman Dana Rohrabacher. It's good to have you all here. Thank you very much. I've got to say, put it this way. The fact that a government official of Mexico has admitted their intrusion into the affairs of the United States government in this case, working against the processes of both the investigation, prosecution, and ultimately pardon or commutation of sentences, how do each of you feel? I want to start with you Congressman Rohrabacher.

REP. DANA ROHRABACHER, (R) CA: Well, take a look at the answer Mr. Sutton gave you. People should look at the clip that you just presented to the public. When you asked him specifically about the Mexican government's involvement, the answer he gave you was a lie.

Now, technically if you studied the words, maybe those words can be construed as being true. But in reality, they were put together to create a false impression that the Mexican government wasn't involved.

Mr. Sutton, this is the way they prosecuted these two Border Patrol agents from day one. It's been a lie from day one. The Mexican government has been involved. We need to know the details.

And why is the Mexican government involved? Hey, remember, they have troubles with the drug cartel influencing government down there. So their government that influences our government to prosecute the Border Patrol agents when they stop a drug dealer? There's a lot of questions that need to be answered.

DOBBS: Congressman Culberson and Congressman Poe, both of you signed on for the letter for the Texas congressional delegation asking for the commutation of these agents. What are your thoughts tonight, and the way it appears tonight that the Bush administration acceded to the government of Mexico in very important affairs of its own citizens?

REP. JOHN CULBERSON, (R) TX: Lou, I can tell you, I serve on the Appropriations Subcommittee with responsibility for funding the Department of Justice and Homeland Security, and I intend to vigorously pursue this through my subcommittee. I'm going to make sure we get these questions answered. We know, for example, as Judge Poe will tell you, that a deputy sheriff in South Texas was prosecuted at the request of the Mexican government.

We now know Ramos and Compean were persecuted, prosecuted, hounded because of the Mexican government. It is unacceptable. It is outrageous for any foreign nation to be able to direct the prosecution of our own law enforcement officers. Lou, I'm not going to stand for it and I'm going to get answers.

DOBBS: Congressman Poe?

REP. TED POE, (R) TX: We've always thought the Mexican government was involved in this case ever since the U.S. Attorney's office made the back room deal with the drug dealer. I thought that they made a backroom deal with the Mexican government at the same time. It looks like that all throughout this case.

We certainly want to find out their involvement. You know, frankly, I don't care what the Mexican government thinks about cases that are prosecuted in the United States. They should have no impact on our justice system, of all things, influencing our courts on who ought to be prosecuted, and who shouldn't be.

So we're going to investigate it, serve on the Judiciary Committee. We'll look into the involvement and the lobbying of the Mexican government.

DOBBS: And Congressman Jones, just your thoughts here tonight? I mean, the idea that the Bush administration had so little principles, so little guts and so little regard for the rights and the well-being of two of its citizens serving the nation in uniform, protecting our border, I mean, your thoughts here tonight?

REP. WALTER JONES, (R) NC: Yes, sir. Lou, I'm going to tell you, to the question you asked the American people, I will give you my answer, yes, they should be investigated. And I believe sincerely that the Congress has the responsibility to look into any relationship that the past administration has with Mexico, or any other country to the detriment of the American people. And in this case, I would say to the Mexican government, keep your drug dealers in Mexico, and let us take care of our border agents.

DOBBS: All right. Thank you very much. Congressman, I appreciate it. We're out of time. I hope you'll come back as we continue to explore this case.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lou? Thank you for your leadership to make this possible.

 

[catzmeow]

Sometimes. Other times I don't think there's a big difference. How often do we have cops shooting at Canadian border crossers, for instance? Or your white europeans?

In all fairness, the attempts by the Mexican government to subvert our border is an inherently hostile act. I have never seen similar attempts coming from Canada.

Nor is the Canadian government heavily involved in protecting drug dealers and thugs who are attempting to cross the border. The mexican army has been.

I don't believe it's racism, I think that a hostile act, i.e. actively supporting your citizens in breaking the laws of another country tends to create a fairly hostile response.

 

[Agnapostate]

I would welcome any attempts to destroy the Mexican government and army if only because the EZLN might gain a foothold. Even the PRD and Lopez Obrador's faction may be willing to aid a Zapatista takeover.

 

[andrewwang]

Maybe they shouldn’t have been released.

 

[OpenJumper1]

Gee, if I shot a shot a fleeing, unarmed person and then lied about it, you'd think I could get my sentence commuted too?

not if I have any say so in the matter!

Well if the unarmed person is a dangerous druggie and drug dealer who if armed would have shot to kill and not even think about it?
They should have gotten a dang commendation for their heroic acts. When you listen to the blathering of a corrupt DA hired by a corrupt POTUS.........then you drink kool aid with your sheeple lips!

 

[catzmeow]

Well if the unarmed person is a dangerous druggie and drug dealer who if armed would have shot to kill and not even think about it?
They should have gotten a dang commendation for their heroic acts. When you listen to the blathering of a corrupt DA hired by a corrupt POTUS.........then you drink kool aid with your sheeple lips!

How exactly is a police officer supposed to know, from a distance, that a person is "a dangerous druggie and drug dealer"?

Do you think that the average officer is able to make that sort of distinction prior to having contact with a suspect and running an NCIC check?

Speaking of drinking the kool aid....

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well if the unarmed person is a dangerous druggie and drug dealer who if armed would have shot to kill and not even think about it?
They should have gotten a dang commendation for their heroic acts. When you listen to the blathering of a corrupt DA hired by a corrupt POTUS.........then you drink kool aid with your sheeple lips!

How exactly is a police officer supposed to know, from a distance, that a person is "a dangerous druggie and drug dealer"?

Do you think that the average officer is able to make that sort of distinction prior to having contact with a suspect and running an NCIC check?

Speaking of drinking the kool aid....

Well, considering that they were border agents, and knew the type of MO as well as they types of vehicles, movement patterns and all that.....they were probably drug dealers.

It was proven when they were told to stop, and then turned around and boogied. If they were just illegals, they would have asked for a meal and a ride back to the border.

That is why that prick was shot. Oh yeah.......they also had a file on him, and it wasn't the first time that he'd ran drugs across the border.

Try again.