BOOM: UPS Fires 250 Union Workers for Refusing to Work

[WinterBorn]

You're right, I meant unemployment. And I'm saying that going on strike for 90 minutes is not worthy of being fired and if you are fired, then you are fired, no way in hell you should continue working while they train your replacement.

So the workers should be allowed to walk off the job in an unauthorized strike for an hour and a half (abandoning the agreement concerning grievances)?? I am betting they were told they had to get back to work or they would be fired.

I notice you haven't touched the statement about them working until their replacements are trained. Do you really believe anyone who's been fired should continue to work while their replacements are trained?

I think the ones who are staying are either praying for a reprieve or trying to make a last few paychecks.

I would never keep an employee on who knew he was going to be fired. The liability is too great.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

there are laws against those things. the unions are nothing but cash cows for the dem party. and you are right, we don't need no stinking unions.

In my state it's law they don't have to give you a break at all. Regardless off how many hours you work that day.
When they can fuck you they will

That is a lie.

What you failed to address, because you are a liar, is that overtime in most States is based on WEEKLY hours, NOT on Daily hours worked.

That's the law in most States.

So if you put in 4 ten hour days, you don't get overtime pay.

I'll take that deal all day long. ALL day long.

Three days off a week, every week? Oh, hell yes.

How about Firemen? Know how they work? Didn't think so.

You need to learn before you speak.

But, you're a dimocrap, which means you're not all that bright and you're also prone to dishonesty in the first place.

Sorry, it's just true

I had a job with four ten hour days. It was kick ass!! If you wanted to work on Friday for some OT they were fine with that as well.
But having three day week ends was great.

 

[SAYIT]

At 88, Mama depends upon the performance of common mutual fund stocks like UPS to cover her modest needs and to make small annual gifts to her grandkids. If the CEOs of firms like UPS do not act prudently and profitably her income suffers. Evidently the socialists among us do not understand how America's capitalist economy works or just don't give a flying cow chip about Mama. As this thread exposes once again, they are more concerned with Reyes's right to act as he pleases than they are with UPS management's duty to turn a profit.

Yes, we should all kow tow to the corporation because mama has $5 invested in their business and we need those grandkids to get those gifts.

What a bunch of crap. Most people do not have money invested in specific companies. They may have a retirement fund, but it's diversified. You may have a big interest in UPS, if so, maybe you should speak up and tell them it's stupid to fire 250 employees for going on a 90 minute strike. I still say the 230 employees who are being maintained until they can train their replacements should just walk out now. As far as I'm concerned, they've already been fired and deserve workman's comp.

I understand that socialists aren't concerned with the individual but there are millions of
American seniors living on pensions and 401Ks and savings which are invested in corps like UPS. If you can't see their POV how is it you manage to see that of a worker who violated his contract in an effort to damage the company and the jobs of others?
It seems to me your workers paradise POV has blinded you to reality and rationality.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

But so many of these companies make that move....only to see the money saved from going non-union funneled right into the pockets of CEO's, board members, etc, etc.

Like who?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Does CEOs making money piss you off? If so yes it is good.

Except they don't really do much that adds any value to society.

True. Thousands of people having jobs is no big deal.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Does CEOs making money piss you off? If so yes it is good.

Nope. But why does the right wing view a CEO being greedy and trying to milk all the money he can out of his contract with that company as morally acceptable.........but union employees doing the same thing as morally wrong?

I know it kinda fits in with the right wing's tendency to fall on their knees in front of the rich and....well, you know, worship them.

But I just don't understand why.

Besides the glaring fact that the workers dont own the company?

 

[Againsheila]

At 88, Mama depends upon the performance of common mutual fund stocks like UPS to cover her modest needs and to make small annual gifts to her grandkids. If the CEOs of firms like UPS do not act prudently and profitably her income suffers. Evidently the socialists among us do not understand how America's capitalist economy works or just don't give a flying cow chip about Mama. As this thread exposes once again, they are more concerned with Reyes's right to act as he pleases than they are with UPS management's duty to turn a profit.

Yes, we should all kow tow to the corporation because mama has $5 invested in their business and we need those grandkids to get those gifts.

What a bunch of crap. Most people do not have money invested in specific companies. They may have a retirement fund, but it's diversified. You may have a big interest in UPS, if so, maybe you should speak up and tell them it's stupid to fire 250 employees for going on a 90 minute strike. I still say the 230 employees who are being maintained until they can train their replacements should just walk out now. As far as I'm concerned, they've already been fired and deserve workman's comp.

I understand that socialists aren't concerned with the individual but there are millions of
American seniors living on pensions and 401Ks and savings which are invested in corps like UPS. If you can't see their POV how is it you manage to see that of a worker who violated his contract in an effort to damage the company and the jobs of others?
It seems to me your workers paradise POV has blinded you to reality and rationality.

Well, first of all, the seniors with those 401Ks don't have enough of them invested in specific corporations for one strike of 90 minutes to affect their pensions at all. Second of all they didn't strike for 90 minutes to damage the company, they stuck to support their friend. Third of all, there is no workers paradise, there hasn't been for a long time. We are nothing but peasants in this country anymore.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I thought he was in the military? Hmmm. As for the South and non-union, some of the worst records for pay and protection from overwork (with no overtime) and lack of protection from unfair business practices.

Oh...and some of the worst safety records in industry too.

No overtime?

I'd be curious to see where they worked and had no overtime. No place I have ever heard of in the south.

Yep....I guess all that extra money in my paychecks in my youth were just a gift.
Gotta love that southern hospitality,apparently they were giving me free money.

 

[Againsheila]

Does CEOs making money piss you off? If so yes it is good.

Nope. But why does the right wing view a CEO being greedy and trying to milk all the money he can out of his contract with that company as morally acceptable.........but union employees doing the same thing as morally wrong?

I know it kinda fits in with the right wing's tendency to fall on their knees in front of the rich and....well, you know, worship them.

But I just don't understand why.

Besides the glaring fact that the workers dont own the company?

Most CEOs don't own the company either.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You're right, I meant unemployment. And I'm saying that going on strike for 90 minutes is not worthy of being fired and if you are fired, then you are fired, no way in hell you should continue working while they train your replacement.

So the workers should be allowed to walk off the job in an unauthorized strike for an hour and a half (abandoning the agreement concerning grievances)?? I am betting they were told they had to get back to work or they would be fired.

I notice you haven't touched the statement about them working until their replacements are trained. Do you really believe anyone who's been fired should continue to work while their replacements are trained?

You act like they are being forced to stay. They can walk if they want to....just like they did when they got fired.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Nope. But why does the right wing view a CEO being greedy and trying to milk all the money he can out of his contract with that company as morally acceptable.........but union employees doing the same thing as morally wrong?

I know it kinda fits in with the right wing's tendency to fall on their knees in front of the rich and....well, you know, worship them.

But I just don't understand why.

Besides the glaring fact that the workers dont own the company?

Most CEOs don't own the company either.

But the owners are the ones who hired them and put them in a position of authority because they trust them to do whats right for the company and it's shareholders.
If the union member doesnt like it,I suggest he start his own company or STFU.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Wildcat strikes are problematic for the workers; they have no official protection. If the union is weak, the company can act with impunity as is the case here.

Lovebears is silly when he says unions are not needed. Corporate would return workers to the 1920s and 1930 if they could. They can't, thank heavens.

How come here in the south we do just fine without them.. My husband makes a great salary , has great benefits and guess what his company which is a fortune 100 company is not unionized. There was a time and place for unions and that time has passed. They were good and passed many regulations that it will be impossible for them to go back to the 1920s now.

And yet the callous conservatives and the GOP are not engaged in war on working men and women. Like hell they're not.

 

[Mr Natural]

I once worked at UPS as a driver's helper during the holidays many years ago, long before they were a public company.

It was absolutely the worst working environment I ever encountered. As soon as you walked in the door, you could cut the tension with a knife. Lot's of screaming and yelling.

The drivers hated the supervisors because they were such dicks, and the supervisors hated the drivers because they drivers made more than they did.

If a driver got back to the depot too early, he was given more stops. If they got back too late, they were accused of fucking off.

I'm glad I was only there a short while but it was entertaining if nothing else.

 

[WinterBorn]

No overtime?

I'd be curious to see where they worked and had no overtime. No place I have ever heard of in the south.

Yep....I guess all that extra money in my paychecks in my youth were just a gift.
Gotta love that southern hospitality,apparently they were giving me free money.

I know, right? I never knew that all the time and a half pay I got was a gift.

Hell, I owe a nice Thank You note to a company from a few years ago. I was on salary and still got paid overtime when we had a big weekend push on a substation. Who knew it was a gift?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I'd be curious to see where they worked and had no overtime. No place I have ever heard of in the south.

Yep....I guess all that extra money in my paychecks in my youth were just a gift.
Gotta love that southern hospitality,apparently they were giving me free money.

I know, right? I never knew that all the time and a half pay I got was a gift.

Hell, I owe a nice Thank You note to a company from a few years ago. I was on salary and still got paid overtime when we had a big weekend push on a substation. Who knew it was a gift?

The funny thing is? I would work for less just to stay in the south. Of course thats not the case so it's a win,win.

 

[Harry Dresden]

So UPS then has less NYC business, and closes more offices/transit centers, and lays off people for no reason instead of firing people for breaking their contract.

Personally?

I'd like to see UPS pack and go.

They are a pain in the ass. They are constantly blocking people in their parking spots and double park everywhere.

We have a constitutionally guaranteed post office as well.

The Money should go to them.

Fuck UPS.

Dont know about where you live but UPS is far better then the USPS when it comes to on time delivery.
I cancelled my Harry and David fruit deliveries because the USPS kept putting my fruit in the gang boxes instead of delivering to the front door as they were supposed to.
They ruined four boxes of fruit and never paid for them. FUCK THE USPS!

Dont know about where you live but UPS is far better then the USPS when it comes to on time delivery.


that has been proven to be kinda of exaggerated....


I cancelled my Harry and David fruit deliveries because the USPS kept putting my fruit in the gang boxes instead of delivering to the front door as they were supposed to.


so you are one of those who dont empty their box every day right?.....Harry and David told us that Parcel boxes are perfectly acceptable even for Perishables......it says right on the label....leave if no response.....even if its perishable...with Perishables i would do the door first,if not home, if you had a parcel box thats where it went,if not i notified....but we were allowed to leave ANYTHING that said right on the label....leave if no response .....thats why the mailer put it there.....blame Harry and David not the PO....they were just doing what the mailer Harry and David wanted....

the UPS drivers on my route would leave stuff at the door even if the place was vacant....it said the same thing on their packages that did not need a signature....leave if no response ......

 

[Harry Dresden]

I once worked at UPS as a driver's helper during the holidays many years ago, long before they were a public company.

It was absolutely the worst working environment I ever encountered. As soon as you walked in the door, you could cut the tension with a knife. Lot's of screaming and yelling.

The drivers hated the supervisors because they were such dicks, and the supervisors hated the drivers because they drivers made more than they did.

If a driver got back to the depot too early, he was given more stops. If they got back too late, they were accused of fucking off.

I'm glad I was only there a short while but it was entertaining if nothing else.

sounds like the Post Office....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Personally?

I'd like to see UPS pack and go.

They are a pain in the ass. They are constantly blocking people in their parking spots and double park everywhere.

We have a constitutionally guaranteed post office as well.

The Money should go to them.

Fuck UPS.

Dont know about where you live but UPS is far better then the USPS when it comes to on time delivery.
I cancelled my Harry and David fruit deliveries because the USPS kept putting my fruit in the gang boxes instead of delivering to the front door as they were supposed to.
They ruined four boxes of fruit and never paid for them. FUCK THE USPS!

Dont know about where you live but UPS is far better then the USPS when it comes to on time delivery.


that has been proven to be kinda of exaggerated....


I cancelled my Harry and David fruit deliveries because the USPS kept putting my fruit in the gang boxes instead of delivering to the front door as they were supposed to.


so you are one of those who dont empty their box every day right?.....Harry and David told us that Parcel boxes are perfectly acceptable even for Perishables......it says right on the label....leave if no response.....even if its perishable...with Perishables i would do the door first,if not home, if you had a parcel box thats where it went,if not i notified....but we were allowed to leave ANYTHING that said right on the label....leave if no response .....thats why the mailer put it there.....blame Harry and David not the PO....they were just doing what the mailer Harry and David wanted....

the UPS drivers on my route would leave stuff at the door even if the place was vacant....it said the same thing on their packages that did not need a signature....leave if no response ......

Not where I live.

And no I dont empty my box every night,all my bills are paid through electronic transfer.
And when it's ninety five degrees out those boxes WILL ruin fruit.
And the thing is? One month they would leave it on my porch as instructed. The next they would put it in the gang box so you never knew what to expect.

 

[Plasmaball]

there are laws against those things. the unions are nothing but cash cows for the dem party. and you are right, we don't need no stinking unions.

In my state it's law they don't have to give you a break at all. Regardless off how many hours you work that day.
When they can fuck you they will

That is a lie.

What you failed to address, because you are a liar, is that overtime in most States is based on WEEKLY hours, NOT on Daily hours worked.

That's the law in most States.

So if you put in 4 ten hour days, you don't get overtime pay.

I'll take that deal all day long. ALL day long.

Three days off a week, every week? Oh, hell yes.

How about Firemen? Know how they work? Didn't think so.

You need to learn before you speak.

But, you're a dimocrap, which means you're not all that bright and you're also prone to dishonesty in the first place.

Sorry, it's just true

i actually read this just now. You actually didnt even address what i said. You dodged it...Typical Conservative always dodging.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

In my state it's law they don't have to give you a break at all. Regardless off how many hours you work that day.
When they can fuck you they will

That is a lie.

What you failed to address, because you are a liar, is that overtime in most States is based on WEEKLY hours, NOT on Daily hours worked.

That's the law in most States.

So if you put in 4 ten hour days, you don't get overtime pay.

I'll take that deal all day long. ALL day long.

Three days off a week, every week? Oh, hell yes.

How about Firemen? Know how they work? Didn't think so.

You need to learn before you speak.

But, you're a dimocrap, which means you're not all that bright and you're also prone to dishonesty in the first place.

Sorry, it's just true

i actually read this just now. You actually didnt even address what i said. You dodged it...Typical Conservative always dodging.

Hold up...are you saying they can work you ten hours a day with no breaks?