Bezerkly bans natural gas in new homes and businesses.

[Dekster]

Assuming it is not too late. I have natural gas heat because it is cheaper than electric and electric does not do too well once the temps get into the 20's. I really would not want that if we were in earthquakeland. In the mean time, I have had gas stoves. I do not like them. The ovens are horrible to try to bake in.

For cooking, I prefer a gas cooktop and an electric oven.

Gas heat and water heater every time!

An electric oven is not uncommon even for people with gas cook tops. While I theoretically would have gas hot water if I could, I really wouldn't for more practical reasons--the location of the tank in my house is not a good place for a gas unit

Of course, that's always a consideration. Sometimes retrofit just isn't practical.

If my landlord had installed a line to the laundry alcove, I'd have bought a gas clothes dryer. Dryers are the single biggest consumers of electrical power.

I have a dryer and a clothesline I use weather and will permitting. This time of year, the line will dry about as fast as the dryer. Just about everyone in my subdivision I know has complained at some point about the location of their hot water heater. The developer stuck them all behind doors in small rooms/closets on the opposite ends of the houses from where most of the water gets consumed. I was going to do on-demand, but the guy who sells them said that wouldn't fix the location problem so I would need some expensive replumbing for that

Bad house design, but not much you can do about it. I'd use a clothesline, but I don't have one, and I couldn't in the spring. Everything would wind up yellow.

Same here. once I see any trace of yellow, it is dryer only for a month.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Natural gas is not needed to run a home. The intent is to create more solar power from the roof top. If you had any brains this would be clearly understood.

People do not want to cook with electric.

People do not want to heat their homes with electric.

Now, the People's Socialist Demokratik Republik of Kalipornia, Berkeley Oblast, has decided what is best for you.

Be silent.

Obey.

/—-/ With electric, they can require your stove be powered by only solar or wind.

 

[Thinker101]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

I have electric and if I lived in earthquake country, I sure as hell would have electric

Well I have and let me tell ya it's hard as hell to cook on electricity when there's no electric power. My power was out for over a friggin week after the Loma Prieta quake. The fridge didn't work so well either. Up in the nearby Santa Cruz mountains it took some months to get their power back on. I had better luck with the electric service in the Philippines, a third world country.

I lost power for 3 days in a hurricane. Move to the east coast. We are much quicker about such things. They will even text me to tell me when my power is restored. Very considerate.

They call us in California, only problem is if the power is going out they usually miss the date by 3-4 days. If power is being restored the call comes in about two hours after.

The most we went without electric was a week after a tornado but it turns out that is because it was a spot outage affecting us and nobody had reported it. That was before they integrated the grid so they can detect problems instantly. My current neighborhood is built where there is a confluence of lines so in the hurricane nobody on our side of town had power that I know of except one street perpendicular to mine because theirs comes in from a completely different substation that services the rail lines.

Do you have a well also, with an electric pump?

 

[leftwinger]

Natural gas is not needed to run a home. The intent is to create more solar power from the roof top. If you had any brains this would be clearly understood.

In cold wet foggy 37.8715° N, 122.2730° W SF Bay area. Right, solar it is.

 

[Dekster]

I have electric and if I lived in earthquake country, I sure as hell would have electric

Well I have and let me tell ya it's hard as hell to cook on electricity when there's no electric power. My power was out for over a friggin week after the Loma Prieta quake. The fridge didn't work so well either. Up in the nearby Santa Cruz mountains it took some months to get their power back on. I had better luck with the electric service in the Philippines, a third world country.

I lost power for 3 days in a hurricane. Move to the east coast. We are much quicker about such things. They will even text me to tell me when my power is restored. Very considerate.

They call us in California, only problem is if the power is going out they usually miss the date by 3-4 days. If power is being restored the call comes in about two hours after.

The most we went without electric was a week after a tornado but it turns out that is because it was a spot outage affecting us and nobody had reported it. That was before they integrated the grid so they can detect problems instantly. My current neighborhood is built where there is a confluence of lines so in the hurricane nobody on our side of town had power that I know of except one street perpendicular to mine because theirs comes in from a completely different substation that services the rail lines.

Do you have a well also, with an electric pump?

Nope. I live in the city. A lot of people in our area outside the city do get SOL when there is widespread power outage for that reason though. A lady I work with came and refilled all her containers at my house because I at least had water. Water table in this area can be a little erratic anyway depending on the depth of your well and how chronically behind rainfall we are. Every 5-10 years you hear of a lot of people having problems with their wells running low or dry all at same time.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

IN NYC con ed hasnt been talking new hookups for over a year now
ANd not for even for enviro reasons

Not enough capacity

New gas lines to supply the city are a no no
while upstate sits on a giant shale gas and oil field
YUGE supplies

 

[Rigby5]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

I have electric and if I lived in earthquake country, I sure as hell would have electric

Cooking with electricity sucks ass. And they made no mention about the dangers of earthquakes.
Wonder how long till they ban charcoal and wood.....if they haven't already.

Electric stoves are a problem for the majority of texassns. California can deal with it.

I was renting a 2800 sq ft house in El Paso a few years back, thinking about buying it (things changed). Looked into converting it to all solar........ I would have needed 65 solar panels to run that house with relatively light, two person electric usage........

My house it about 2800 sq ft, and when I went solar, it only took about 13 panels. Cost me about $13k, but my electric bill dropped from about $75/month to $20/month.
However, we do not have AC.
A swamp cooler works fine in a dry climate like NM, TX, or AZ.

I have seen lots of installatons, and no one has ever needed more than 20 panels.
You were not dealing with a good installer.

 

[OKTexas]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

Yeah, that'll last about 2 minutes, even the crazy 9th won't buy it.

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[Ringel05]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

I have electric and if I lived in earthquake country, I sure as hell would have electric

Cooking with electricity sucks ass. And they made no mention about the dangers of earthquakes.
Wonder how long till they ban charcoal and wood.....if they haven't already.

Electric stoves are a problem for the majority of texassns. California can deal with it.

I was renting a 2800 sq ft house in El Paso a few years back, thinking about buying it (things changed). Looked into converting it to all solar........ I would have needed 65 solar panels to run that house with relatively light, two person electric usage........

My house it about 2800 sq ft, and when I went solar, it only took about 13 panels. Cost me about $13k, but my electric bill dropped from about $75/month to $20/month.
However, we do not have AC.
A swamp cooler works fine in a dry climate like NM, TX, or AZ.

I have seen lots of installatons, and no one has ever needed more than 20 panels.
You were not dealing with a good installer.

It was an online calculator and I was calculating total replacement of paid electric not partial replacement. Granted there would still be those times where I would have had to tap into the electric grid but they would be few and far between. And I know how well swamp coolers work until it gets in the upper 90s or the humidity bumps up over 50%, I was in El Paso Tx when I did the research and I live in NM now.

 

[OKTexas]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

I have electric and if I lived in earthquake country, I sure as hell would have electric

Well I have and let me tell ya it's hard as hell to cook on electricity when there's no electric power. My power was out for over a friggin week after the Loma Prieta quake. The fridge didn't work so well either. Up in the nearby Santa Cruz mountains it took some months to get their power back on. I had better luck with the electric service in the Philippines, a third world country.

I lost power for 3 days in a hurricane. Move to the east coast. We are much quicker about such things. They will even text me to tell me when my power is restored. Very considerate.

LOL they do the same stupid shit here but can they tell you why it's out or when it will be back on? Noooooooo.
Therefore I have a whole house stand by generator now.

Actually they do have a website that you can go to to track power outages that posts updates, causes of outages, etc. They give estimates on there as to when power will be restored to certain areas. You just click on your neighborhood. It was pretty handy during the hurricane. They updated it every 4 hours. If nothing else, it was something to do to pass the time to say, "Fuck, I am glad I don't live in THAT neighborhood every time they did an update for a couple places in the area that just got devastated. by trees and water clear cutting their electric infrastructure.

I was without power for 16 days after Ike, ran two gasoline generators 24/7. After that I got a whole home generator that runs on propane, it can also run on natural gas.

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[OKTexas]

Does that include propane? You have to drive out of town to grill a burger? Only on the crazy left coast.

Well apparently for now it's only new construction.

That will be great for folks that own existing homes, prices will jump.

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[Crepitus]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

I would think it's more about earthquakes than the small environmental impact. Power lines don't leak or explode.

 

[OKTexas]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

I have electric and if I lived in earthquake country, I sure as hell would have electric

Cooking with electricity sucks ass. And they made no mention about the dangers of earthquakes.
Wonder how long till they ban charcoal and wood.....if they haven't already.

Electric stoves are a problem for the majority of texassns. California can deal with it.

I was renting a 2800 sq ft house in El Paso a few years back, thinking about buying it (things changed). Looked into converting it to all solar........ I would have needed 65 solar panels to run that house with relatively light, two person electric usage........

My house it about 2800 sq ft, and when I went solar, it only took about 13 panels. Cost me about $13k, but my electric bill dropped from about $75/month to $20/month.
However, we do not have AC.
A swamp cooler works fine in a dry climate like NM, TX, or AZ.

I have seen lots of installatons, and no one has ever needed more than 20 panels.
You were not dealing with a good installer.

A swamp cooler in SE TX will get you nothing but mold and mildew.

.

 

[Kondor3]

...My house it about 2800 sq ft, and when I went solar, it only took about 13 panels. Cost me about $13k, but my electric bill dropped from about $75/month to $20/month...

$13,000 / $50 = 260 months / 12 = 21.666 years ( 21 years, 8 months ) to recapture the investment ???!!!

...However, we do not have AC...

Whoops... deal-buster...

 

[iceberg]

Natural gas is not needed to run a home. The intent is to create more solar power from the roof top. If you had any brains this would be clearly understood.

Then technically neither is electricity or running water. Love in a thatch hut and leave everyone else alone.

Stop pushing your views on others. That's what started all This crap.

If you had any brains...

 

[Blues Man]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

SInce CA has the highest electricity rates in the country and collects more taxes from those rates it's no wonder they want to ban natural gas

 

[Blues Man]

Natural gas is not needed to run a home. The intent is to create more solar power from the roof top. If you had any brains this would be clearly understood.

Gas furnaces run at 90% efficiency

It is the single best choice for home heating

 

[mudwhistle]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

I hear there are times of the year you can cook off of the sidewalk.
Santa Ana winds cause the temperature to rise to 120 degrees
So maybe during those times you can cook eggs.
But the rest of the time you'll have to go to Whole Foods and eat at the salad bar.

 

[Blues Man]

...My house it about 2800 sq ft, and when I went solar, it only took about 13 panels. Cost me about $13k, but my electric bill dropped from about $75/month to $20/month...

$13,000 / $50 = 260 months / 12 = 21.666 years ( 21 years, 8 months ) to recapture the investment ???!!!

...However, we do not have AC...

Whoops... deal-buster...

and don't solar panels have a lifespan of just 20 years?

 

[baileyn45]

WTF!!!
Who the Hell wants to cook on an electric range or oven?
They claim it's for stopping climate change yet natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel available.
I'd be looking to see who profits by going all electric.
Berkeley becomes first U.S. city to ban natural gas in new homes

I have electric and if I lived in earthquake country, I sure as hell would have electric

Cooking with electricity sucks ass. And they made no mention about the dangers of earthquakes.
Wonder how long till they ban charcoal and wood.....if they haven't already.

Electric stoves are a problem for the majority of texassns. California can deal with it.

I was renting a 2800 sq ft house in El Paso a few years back, thinking about buying it (things changed). Looked into converting it to all solar........ I would have needed 65 solar panels to run that house with relatively light, two person electric usage........

My house it about 2800 sq ft, and when I went solar, it only took about 13 panels. Cost me about $13k, but my electric bill dropped from about $75/month to $20/month.
However, we do not have AC.
A swamp cooler works fine in a dry climate like NM, TX, or AZ.

I have seen lots of installatons, and no one has ever needed more than 20 panels.
You were not dealing with a good installer.

I'll echo what others have said, about the time your installation begins to break even, you're due for new panels.

I live in N. Ohio. It gets very cold. I spent about 6K on seriously insulating a home built in the 1920s, I did that in the 80s. My "carbon footprint" is probably better than yours. Do a little research on the production of solar panels. And don't just concentrate on CO2. There are many environmental issues, CO2 is a minor one.