Benefits of adding grades 13 and 14 to Secondary Ed.

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    Not every child seeks a four-year college degree upon completion of high school. Many want employment and to begin earning money.

    Consider these bullet points;

    • Teachers will come from business, industry and government.
    • Students will be paid a minimum wage, and held to what is expected by future employers as to being on time, getting along with others and staying on task.
    • Students will be introduced to the array of jobs listed here: Occupational Outlook Handbook: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
    • Guest lectures and field trips will augment regular lessen plans
    • Upon completion of the two-year course of study, the successful student will have all the tools necessary to apply for and secure entry level employment in their chosen field.
    • these tools will include practice interviews and written resumes
    Most communities have Jr. Colleges, which could incorporate such a two-year program, as well as a jumping off place for those who choose to transfer to a 4-year school.

    What do you think?
     
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    Judging by the 12th grade graduates level of awareness and intelligence they will need a 15th grade too!
     
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    Good idea.

    But my property taxers are already high enough so I'll pass, thank you.
     
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    THERE'S the path. K-12 has enough tasks on their plate. Get them out. Even EARLY out for trades, and specialty services. The Comm Colleges AND the trade schools that are making a comeback will do a better job.

    If you live in a state that can afford subsidizing AA, AS degrees, like Tennessee just did --- even better.

    And the message to the K-12 gulag is -- you better RAISE the expectations and shoot for getting kids to that "post secondary" level or you've failed them completely. Their lives are gonna depend on it...
     
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    Considering what taxes pay for is a product of the leaders we elect. Our priorities seems to be short sighted and exacerbate chronic problematic issues. It's time to recognize that we can no longer be a nation which makes things; technology, computers robotics, recreation, transportation and service type jobs are replacing retail clerks, and many blue collar jobs.

    Change happens, no matter how many fear it and stubbornly support the old ways.
     
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    Whether Germany still does it or not, they had/have a policy of having employers come into high school and meeting with senior students and sign the students up for jobs with those companies, then, once they graduate, they simply slide over into a workplace environment.
    I do believe that ALL high school students should have mandatory classes in the US Constitution, its Amendments and Federalist papers, as well as a couple of classes in business economics so they actually understand our nation's founding better and how the nation's business environment works. Further, if they don't pass those classes, they don't graduate.
     
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    Too many other countries "track" kids from an early age. They measure aptitude and smarts and do a Hogwart's style "SORT" on their kids. So they are interfering with the entire reason for K-12 which is to allow kids to migrate towards their aptitudes over time. MAJORITY of college freshman still aren't still what their major will be.

    We shouldn't be looking at other models with the current results we're getting. We should be PANICKED and focusing on the basics and RAISING expectations on the kids. K-12 is largely failing and not preparing the majority for higher ed. And then provide a full choice of alternative ways to prepare for a CAREER.
     
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    None! Use computers intelligently like some people were talking about in 1996:

    Bennett

    Our educators can't even create a curated National Recommended Reading List.

    The textbook publishing business would not like that. How many useless variations in math books have been published in the last 50 years?
     
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    No. A 13th and 14th year is unnecessary. Kids are already in vo-tech by their junior year.I have zero interest in a bunch of nimrods finding ways to continue to profit off of education.
     
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    Vouchers for the entire system. Let the market figure out how and what to teach. The current system is a massive failure
     
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