Because Obama was re-elected...

[Ernie S.]

I can understand the concern. Really. However, the majority has spoken and it's time to give them their due. The conservative House should not be an obstruction, true there are some that aren't really conservatives but whack jobs that won't get in line. However, the majority should give Obama what he wishes, thus the liberals. The electoral count gives him a mandate. Let his and their will prevail.

In the meantime, figure out what's important and prepare for the next election.

If his plans, ideologically based as they are succeed, tough luck. If they fail, be ready. No 'obstruction labels' will work.

Obamacare takes hold this year, increases in 2014. Sequestration will kick in soon, January or shortly there after. Unless of course, a grand compromise is worked out before recess.

I beg to differ. The house was left with the GOP in power specifically to obstruct the President's agenda. If voters wanted to give obama free reign, it would have given both houses of Congrss to the Democrats.

I disagree. Seems beyond time to let the president do what he wishes. He and his party then live with the results. Oh yeah, the country too, after all, they gave him a mandate.

While I see some value in giving him what he wants in order to permanently invalidate Progressive policy, I really worry that the country can not recover from 4 more years of an unrestrained obama Presidency.

 

[Vel]

You have to actually READ the ACA (ObamaCare..Pelosi Pranks...Reid Rapes) to see what's in it.

Believe me...these companies that are in the medical business read the bill and figured out they are FUCKED!

Obama fucked us all with that goddamned socialist medical bill.

Obama is a goddamned Marxist!

Just remember...Congress and the President have their own medical and retirement plans. They don't use ObamaCare or Social Security! They are the ruling ELITE!!!

Yeah, but once they break the system, it won't work for them either. That's why the Canadian prime minister had to go to Miami for his heart surgery in 2010.

 

[Vel]

I am gonna ask this again.

Does anyone have direct evidence that these layoffs were due directly to Obama being re-elected?

Otherwise this is another right wing lie, you guys are batting a thousand with the lies, so my hopes are set high.

It doesn't matter. Perceptions do count. Elections too. I'm for the conservative House to give Obama all he wants, in spite of all the layoffs, perhaps because of them, no matter. Give them what they want, full tilt.

Within two years, certainly 4, success or failure should be clear.

Not everything. They don't need to give them anything that can't be reversed. No to amnesty. No need to gift wrap 11 million new voters for the Democrats. Hispanics are not voting Democrat because of amnesty. They are voting for the continuation of the gravy train.

 

[Toro]

Yeah, but once they break the system, it won't work for them either. That's why the Canadian prime minister had to go to Miami for his heart surgery in 2010.

Er, what?

 

[Lumpy 1]

Crickets... All I hear is crickets.

Mommy, mommy! That ass kicking still hurts!...Rub it for me mommy, rub it....

Sheesh.. does this post come with a pie eyed, toothy grin..or what....

 

[NYcarbineer]

I am gonna ask this again.

Does anyone have direct evidence that these layoffs were due directly to Obama being re-elected?

Otherwise this is another right wing lie, you guys are batting a thousand with the lies, so my hopes are set high.

Dear Liberal: Let me be as fair as I can about both sides' take on this.
a. if the layoffs are due to not being able to afford that many employees given the health care laws going into effect in January, then ACA and Obama's support of it are the cause
b. if the layoffs are due to the SCARE and FEAR that is stirred up by GOP over Obamacare,
then Obama and his policies are still indirectly the cause.

It could also be:
c. the economic downturn, whether from Bush or Obama or fall out from 9/11 that cost us even before you add the costs of the Iraq War on taxpayers, caused these layoffs, then both parties share responsibility for either fixing or not fixing the problem. Obama's proposed solutions to health care costs, needing time to go into effect and needing time to show any effect, still fail to prevent the layoffs. In the meantime, both parties would share responsibility for spending millions or billions on campaigns without fixing the problems with this bill or with the economy etc.

So if you look at these choices:
A. is all the fault of Obama's policies if this is the direct cause
B. is indirectly his fault if this is caused because his election does not faith among businesses
(where it could be that Romney may or may not inspire confidence either)
C. is shared fault between Bush and Obama and both parties for not fixing things fast enough

Even if you believe it is shared fault between both parties, which seems the most reasonable and fair, then the fact that Obama pushed the ACA WITHOUT the backing and inclusion of GOP leaders, this caused the scare to be even worse. So directly or indirectly, just the problems with pushing the ACA on a partisan basis is killing people's faith in the govt and economy.

Even if it has some good points in it. Even if Obama needs more time to make reforms to help the economy. Just the partisan push for legislation and elections based on 'drawing a line in the sand between the rich and the poor' and blaming the rich (instead of holding people equal and invoking penalties based on whether you commit a violation or not, not whether you are rich or poor), HARMS the faith in govt and business to work together instead of fighting for control based on CLASS. Again, once Obama's rhetoric started this angle, then it even affected the GOP campaign, where conservatives only wanted to hear that Romney would be against this, and were afraid to support him if he were moderate.

So the lack of faith in either Romney or Obama's leadership to change things fast enough could still be traced back to Obama's rhetoric blaming the wealthy.

You can restart your brilliance by factoring in that the employer healthcare mandate doesn't take effect until 2014.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Why would media report, they helped cause this present nightmare.
2. *Darkness*.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Liberal]

Glad to see not one single person was able to provide proof that these companies laid off workers due to Obamacare. Just partisan conjecture with a side of sore loser syndrome.

Cons are the new source of my entertainment. You guys are a riot! *slaps knee*

 

[LeftofLeft]

Obama owns the economy. It is his and the Democrats. Any talk of inheritence, he inherited this economy from himself. Among the White House, Senate, and House, Democrats control 2/3. Since 2007, Democrats have controlled at least 2/3 of the Executive-legislative branch. 2014 will be very telling. My prediction is that the Hill is going to go to Non-Democrats.

 

[NYcarbineer]

One thing is certain, the election hasn't made the USMB right wing any smarter.

 

[rightwinger]

Lets see the private sector employment numbers for November

Anyone willing to bet whether they will be positive?

 

[Vel]

Yeah, but once they break the system, it won't work for them either. That's why the Canadian prime minister had to go to Miami for his heart surgery in 2010.

Er, what?

Sorry Toro.. Premier not prime minister. I get your politician titles mixed up.
The Checkup - Canadian official has heart surgery -- in the U.S.

"This was my heart, my choice and my health."

"I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics," Williams said.

 

[BlindBoo]

So in other words.. No.

Not one person has any proof that these companies let these workers go due to Obama.

Just retard connect the dots.

Thanks guys, got it.

IT hasn't been on the news about the layoffs either

Lol, neither was fast and furious, solandra, or bangazi. So whats your point?

Turn off Fox.
It's bad News for America.

 

[BlindBoo]

Turn off Fox.
It's bad News for America.

Are you saying that economics don't matter? What a fucking fool you leftist are.

Cuba is a model for what you want to do with this country.

Are those 8 words that hard for you to understand or grasp the concept of.....but I'm glad you asked.

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TurnOffFox | Bad News For America

 

[boedicca]

Where my Obama money at?

Obamma gots it. He is in president!

 

[Toro]

Lets see the private sector employment numbers for November

Anyone willing to bet whether they will be positive?

I'm more interested in the February numbers. I might be interested in that bet.

 

[Katzndogz]

Aside from those companies downsizing to avoid obama, the unions are doing their part to kill off what they can.

Labor Fight Could Kill Off Twinkies, Wonder Bread | FOX8.com

If the unions are successful in destroying Hostess, that's over 18,000 jobs lost overnight.

 

[Wiseacre]

How many good paying jobs will be lost in the defense industry? In the coal industry?

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Millions upon millions.
2. Will be lost.
3. Forever.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many good paying jobs will be lost in the defense industry? In the coal industry?

Do you want the taxpayers to subsidize unnecessary defense spending for the sake of keeping people working?

How about taking that same money and subsidizing necessary infrastructure jobs for the sake of keeping people working,

if you do in fact support taxpayer money being used for economic stimulus?