Be not afraid Republicans - Americans have never been safer - Obama is correct

[NotfooledbyW]

LOL @ The Atlantic, loon site

This one can't dispute the findings in the Atlantic report.

 

[Harry Dresden]

HD 11067635

did read it.....crime has been going down since the 90's so that is not because of Obama.....

No one is saying that violent crime in the US went down because of Obama. You could not have read the article if you have an impression that it suggested that? Crime has gone down but polling tells us that the public perception is year after year is that violent crime is going up,

you should probably learn to read.....like i said in my statement.....animosity among people is on the rise, sometimes resulting in a violent crime being committed....now you know why many think violent crime is on the rise....and this President doesnt have the leadership ability to deal with it....some of the stuff he has said has made things worse....why i think domestically Obama is a piss poor leader....

 

[Little-Acorn]

Americans have never been safer


I notice you had to get this title in pretty fast, before Iran developed their own atomic bomb (as Obama is planning to let them do pretty soon).

 

[LoneLaugher]

maybe from outside but what about in the Country?....things seem to be getting worse ....

Seem? Great word choice.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Obiw 11066957

Terrorists like ISIS stronger.....check

Stronger at attacking WTC and Pentagon or other locations on US soil as in 2001. Not!

Stronger at attacking and killing thousands of American troops in Iraq and Afghsnistan as in 2001 through 2011? Definitely NOT!


You certainly lack understanding of the world around you?

Do you live in Mosul or are you where it's now safer than ever before. Just don't take a bath if you are so scared,

 

[LoneLaugher]

We are safer than ever.

Nutters are upset by this for some reason. Wonder what that is?

 

[Dot Com]

We are safer than ever.

Nutters are upset by this for some reason. Wonder what that is?

Truth is, you can only be so safe in a state unless it is closed like N. Korea for instance. But we are as safe as we can be without giving-up MORE civil liberties which I refuse to do.

 

[AmericanFirst]

"Historians will thank him, even if we don’t, for his steadfastness in the face of unprecedented safety."

BH 11067099

If so you will forgive me if I question his word on this.

Not asking you to accept Obama's word on this. I was hoping for signs of intelligent life out there that would read the article and respond with an argument against the data and facts cited in the report that confirms that what Obama said is in fact true.

The last paragraph expresses well what I am certain will Obama's legacy despite all the social media and news media and political fear mongering that goes on. Fear sells and helps win elections. And now ironically more than ever when reasons to be afraid are at all time lows.

"Still, now is special. Given how safe we are, and how frightened people nonetheless feel, it seems unlikely that Americans’ threat perception has ever before been quite as distorted as it is today. Never have so many feared so little, so much. In an era of overreaction, a president who lectures the public about its insecurities, instead of pandering to its fears, necessarily seems impolitic, out of touch, tone-deaf, pedantic, negligent, complacent—choose your adjective. For precisely that reason, we can be grateful his instinct is to underreact. Historians will thank him, even if we don’t, for his steadfastness in the face of unprecedented safety."

Obuthole's word so far is worthless.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Be Not Afraid.
When President Obama tells Americans to stop worrying, he’s accused of fecklessness. But he has a point: we have never been safer. JONATHAN RAUCH. FEB 16 2015, 8:08 PM ET

Be Not Afraid The Atlantic


Obama said last August: “I promise you things are much less dangerous now than they were 20 years ago, 25 years ago, or 30 years ago. This is not something that is comparable to the challenges we faced during the Cold War.”

Some excerpts to lead thinking people to read the entire article and discuss it because in reality Obama is right - Americans are now living in a world that is much safer than it was twenty years ago at least.

Obama is presiding over the most peaceful time in human history. All the violence in Iraq is still about half of what it was in 2006 except now Americans are not being killed in large numbers there.

"War between major nation-states has dwindled to the verge of extinction"

. According to Steven Pinker, the author of The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined, today is probably the most peaceful time in human history. By the numbers, he writes, “the world was a far more dangerous place” in the 1960s, ’70s, and ’80s. According to the Uppsala Conflict Data Program, armed conflicts have declined by almost 40 percent since right after the end of the Cold War. “Today,” write Micah Zenko and Michael A. Cohen in Foreign Affairs, “wars tend to be low-intensity conflicts that, on average, kill about 90 percent fewer people than did violent struggles in the 1950s.” War between major nation-states has dwindled to the verge of extinction. In the context of human evolution, this is an astounding development.

Criminal violence is way down but Americans celebrate this extraordinary success by denying it:

. Here at home, criminal violence is, as ever, a serious problem. But its reduction over the past couple of decades is one of the great success stories of our time. The violent-crime rate (which excludes homicides) has declined by more than 70 percent since the early 1990s. The homicide rate has declined by half, and in 2011 it reached the lowest level since 1963. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, between 1995 and 2010 the rate of rape and sexual assault fell from five per 1,000 females to two.

And how do Americans celebrate this extraordinary success? By denying it.

"As for the risk posed by terrorism inside the United States, .... Americans are about four times as likely to drown in their bathtub as they are to die in a terrorist attack:

.Perception is even more skewed where terrorism is concerned. “Terror-ism Worries Largely Unchanged,” ran another Pew headline, also in 2013. That year, 58 percent of the public was worried about another terrorist attack in the United States, a rate not all that much lower in October 2001, immediately after the 9/11 attacks, when 71 percent of the public was worried. A few months ago, perhaps influenced by ISIS’s atrocities, a large plurality of respondents told NBC News/Wall Street Journal pollsters that the country is less safe than it was before 9/11.

Reality, once again, tells us otherwise. State-sponsored international terrorism, writes the intelligence analyst Paul R. Pillar in Cato’s A Dangerous World?, “is today only a shadow of what it was in the 1970s and 1980s.” As for the risk posed by terrorism inside the United States, to characterize it as trivial would be very generous. Americans are about four times as likely to drown in their bathtub as they are to die in a terrorist attack. John Mueller of Ohio State University and Mark G. Stewart of Australia’s University of Newcastle estimate the odds of such deaths at one in 950,000 and one in 3.5 million, respectively.

Can any matter-of-factly dispute the finding mentioned in this article?

Bush did it.

 

[AmericanFirst]

BH 11067990

Oh please your just giving us partisan talking points for a president you like if we had a Republican president with the world in the shape it is right now I doubt you or anyone would've praising him for how safe we are.

That is not true at all. You are avoiding a discussion based upon the content of that article. I supported Bush taking military action in Afghanistan and continue to support our mission there. I didn't support him taking his eye off the ball there in order to kick UN inspectors out of a Iraq and invade Iraq. I did however fully support Bush in September and October 2002 in requesting the US Congress to give him authority to use military force to in order to coerce the UN and Iraq to get WMD I inspections resumed because after the 9/11 attacks it was important to find out if WMD was being produced in Iraq as a matter of international law. It is only because Iraq let the inspectors back in that I am certain Bush was entirely wrong to invade when UN inspectors were reaching the conclusion that was ultimately reached. There were no WMD active for military use there or programs to produce them.

I look at things on their own merit regardless of Party of the President.

President HW Bush did a very good job on getting Iraq's army out of Kuwait and the NFZs were a good way of containing S.Hussein specifically regarding the Kurds. It was good policy and should not have been abandoned for invasion instead.

He pulled the UN inspectors out after numerous attempts and Hussein violating numerous sanctions. There no WMD's because Hussein moved them to Syria.

 

[Harry Dresden]

maybe from outside but what about in the Country?....things seem to be getting worse ....

Seem? Great word choice.

thank you LL.......

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives are a Cult and Obama is their King

 

[Harry Dresden]

We are safer than ever.

Nutters are upset by this for some reason. Wonder what that is?

maybe because with so many cameras out there people are seeing the violence by the cops and the people that we never used to see.....we never used to see this kind of shit decades ago.....this shit is happening every day.....are the police getting more violent when they confront someone?....are the people getting more violent causing the cops to be violent back?...are we getting more violent?....or are we just seeing more of this stuff giving us the impression that things are getting worse?........talk to me LL.....

U.S. Police Officer Shooting Deaths Up 56 Percent in 2014 Report - NBC News

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Pism 11069547

violence , terrorism and wars , I don't mind any of them 'NF', I just think when any of those 3 things happen that they should be fought against by America until the enemy is destroyed by America !!

Does that mean you want Obama and Congress to activate the draft and send hundreds of thousands of American troops and armored divisions into every ME nation and African nation plus Pakistan and India until every last potential terrorist is destroyed? And is Anything less than that is considered by you to be a Wuss President and a wuss Congress.

Who's the libertarian/conservative President that is going to lead Americans in that direction?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Progressives are a Cult and Obama is their King

Cults are usually religious types of groups Frank.....

 

[NotfooledbyW]

HD 11069872

animosity among people is on the rise, sometimes resulting in a violent crime being committed...

Animosity between whom is on the rise as a result of what Obama policy?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

CF 11070343

Progressives are a Cult and Obama is their King

Big chance for this one to show he can engage in an intelligent discussion and he blew it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Steph 11066884

that must be why the PEOPLE kicked out Democrats from control of Congress under Obambam in only six years and gave it over to REPUBLICANS..... they be feeling way more safe.

Are you not capable of reading beyond a headline? The point being that Americans are living in the safest time ever but the public perception is that they are living in the most dangerous of times. So your point about control of Congress is moronic if it is in response to the article.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives are a Cult and Obama is their King

Cults are usually religious types of groups Frank.....

Yes, Obama is their Godhead

 

[NotfooledbyW]

anyway NotFooled , country has grown by about 130 million since about 1970 . I dislike the growth but can live with it for my lifetime and in the areas that I move about in . The problem is going to be in jobs ,

Why is the problem going to be jobs if the country is growing? People are living longer because we are healthier and safer. But since your aggravation is tied to immigration and population growth - starting another ground invasion on Arab and Persian soil would perhaps kill off much of our population too. Trouble is battlefield medical treatment is saving lives too.

As a conservative concerned about population growth are you pro-choice?

But I'll try to get you back to the topic of this thread. Here's an excellent paragraph from the Atlantic Article that a conservative libertarian should appreciate:

.Of course, the world remains turbulent, but most of today’s military conflict, as in Syria right now, takes the form of civil war rather than war between nations, and implicates American interests but not American lives (unless America enters the fighting). The United States faces no plausible military invader or attacker. All we are really talking about, when we discuss threats from Iran or North Korea or ISIS, is whether our margin of safety should be very large or even larger. “No great power in world history comes close to enjoying the traditional state security that the United States does today,” writes Stephanie Rugolo in A Dangerous World? Threat Perception and U.S. National Security, a new collection of essays from the Cato Institute.

Cato Institute | Right Wing Watch. www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cato-institute. The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank that often works in coalitions with right -wing groups. Cato's extensive publications program deals with a host of policy ...

Do you disagree or agree with Stephanie Rugolo when she wrote “No great power in world history comes close to enjoying the traditional state security that the United States does today,”??