Barry Goldwater

[BDBoop]

Any fans of his in the area? I'm asking because I just read this bit;

Barry Goldwater would not have dumped Mr. Grenell; he would have told the carping Bible thumpers to go to hell.

The man who was once the voice of American conservatives slammed Pat Robertson for "trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it." When Jerry Falwell opposed the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, Goldwater said, "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the n----." And, of gays in the military, Goldwater said, "Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar."

After his retirement from the Senate, Goldwater warned that his party was being taken over by a "bunch of kooks." Well, the kooks are in charge now and Mitt Romney knows who is boss.

And I don't believe he'd recognize his own party anymore.

Mitt Romney kow-tows to the anti-gay religious right - baltimoresun.com

In fact, I can't think of anybody pre-2000 who would recognize today's Republican party.

 

[SniperFire]

Goldwater lost.

 

[TrinityPower]

Any fans of his in the area? I'm asking because I just read this bit;

Barry Goldwater would not have dumped Mr. Grenell; he would have told the carping Bible thumpers to go to hell.

The man who was once the voice of American conservatives slammed Pat Robertson for "trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it." When Jerry Falwell opposed the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, Goldwater said, "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the n----." And, of gays in the military, Goldwater said, "Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar."

After his retirement from the Senate, Goldwater warned that his party was being taken over by a "bunch of kooks." Well, the kooks are in charge now and Mitt Romney knows who is boss.

And I don't believe he'd recognize his own party anymore.

Mitt Romney kow-tows to the anti-gay religious right - baltimoresun.com

In fact, I can't think of anybody pre-2000 who would recognize today's Republican party.

Our dearest neighbor passed on in December but I learned so many things from her in the short time I lived next door to her. This is a bit off subject but she was an activist in earlier years and was a big mover and shaker for Goldwater.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ask not what your country can do for you, Julia

 

[BDBoop]

Frank. Is this really all there is to you? Can there be no open dialog? Because if you say so - fine. But I'd like to think there is an intellect in there.

 

[American Horse]

Any fans of his in the area? I'm asking because I just read this bit;

Barry Goldwater would not have dumped Mr. Grenell; he would have told the carping Bible thumpers to go to hell.

The man who was once the voice of American conservatives slammed Pat Robertson for "trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it." When Jerry Falwell opposed the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, Goldwater said, "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the n----." And, of gays in the military, Goldwater said, "Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar."

After his retirement from the Senate, Goldwater warned that his party was being taken over by a "bunch of kooks." Well, the kooks are in charge now and Mitt Romney knows who is boss.

And I don't believe he'd recognize his own party anymore.

Mitt Romney kow-tows to the anti-gay religious right - baltimoresun.com

In fact, I can't think of anybody pre-2000 who would recognize today's Republican party.

Goldwater was my first presidential vote. But were he alive today he would be nuanced enough to understand that Romney has no prejudice against gays, simply redefining "marriage," as does a huge majority uf the US electorate.

Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson never enjoyed that level of support, and he was perfectly justified in taking umbrage against them because they at least appeared to be attempting a high-jack of the R party. IMO, to the degree G wouldn't recognize the GOP would be exactly the reverse of your thesis.

 

[BDBoop]

Any fans of his in the area? I'm asking because I just read this bit;

Barry Goldwater would not have dumped Mr. Grenell; he would have told the carping Bible thumpers to go to hell.

The man who was once the voice of American conservatives slammed Pat Robertson for "trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it." When Jerry Falwell opposed the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, Goldwater said, "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the n----." And, of gays in the military, Goldwater said, "Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar."

After his retirement from the Senate, Goldwater warned that his party was being taken over by a "bunch of kooks." Well, the kooks are in charge now and Mitt Romney knows who is boss.

And I don't believe he'd recognize his own party anymore.

Mitt Romney kow-tows to the anti-gay religious right - baltimoresun.com

In fact, I can't think of anybody pre-2000 who would recognize today's Republican party.

Goldwater was my first presidential vote. But were he alive today he would be nuanced enough to understand that Romney has no prejudice against gays, simply redefining "marriage," as does a huge majority uf the US electorate.

Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson never enjoyed that level of support, and he was perfectly justified in taking umbrage against them because they at least appeared to be attempting a high-jack of the R party. IMO, to the degree G wouldn't recognize the GOP would be exactly the reverse of your thesis.

Sorry, totally not seeing a logic flow in that last sentence.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Holding up Goldwater as someone who would not recognize today's Republican party is so wrong. He'd be leading a Tea Party Rally

 

[American Horse]

Any fans of his in the area? I'm asking because I just read this bit;



And I don't believe he'd recognize his own party anymore.

Mitt Romney kow-tows to the anti-gay religious right - baltimoresun.com

In fact, I can't think of anybody pre-2000 who would recognize today's Republican party.

Goldwater was my first presidential vote. But were he alive today he would be nuanced enough to understand that Romney has no prejudice against gays, simply redefining "marriage," as does a huge majority uf the US electorate.

Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson never enjoyed that level of support, and he was perfectly justified in taking umbrage against them because they at least appeared to be attempting a high-jack of the R party. IMO, to the degree G wouldn't recognize the GOP would be exactly the reverse of your thesis.

Sorry, totally not seeing a logic flow in that last sentence.

My last sentence referred to the quote* inside your post. I said that any umbrage Goldwater would have taken would've been towards Falwell and Robertson, and they didn't enjoy the popularity of the opinion that prevails presently for the existing definition of what marriage is (one man one woman), and the reason for any such umbrage would've been that they were trying to hi-jack the GOP for fundamental religious reasons. He was a conservative, and by his nature he would've supported states passing their own legislation or constitutional amendments viz marriage, not federal legislation on that, so your thesis (as expressed in the reference inside your post) is exactly backwards.

Also Goldwater's issue of 1965 was about the new Medicare Act, that it along with the Great Society legislation would bankrupt the nation; religion as far as I recall didn't enter into that campaign.

* Here's the quote:

Barry Goldwater would not have dumped Mr. Grenell; he would have told the carping Bible thumpers to go to hell.

The man who was once the voice of American conservatives slammed Pat Robertson for "trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it." When Jerry Falwell opposed the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, Goldwater said, "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the n----." And, of gays in the military, Goldwater said, "Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar."

After his retirement from the Senate, Goldwater warned that his party was being taken over by a "bunch of kooks." Well, the kooks are in charge now and Mitt Romney knows who is boss.

 

[bayoubill]

Any fans of his in the area? I'm asking because I just read this bit;

Barry Goldwater would not have dumped Mr. Grenell; he would have told the carping Bible thumpers to go to hell.

The man who was once the voice of American conservatives slammed Pat Robertson for "trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it." When Jerry Falwell opposed the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, Goldwater said, "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the n----." And, of gays in the military, Goldwater said, "Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar."

After his retirement from the Senate, Goldwater warned that his party was being taken over by a "bunch of kooks." Well, the kooks are in charge now and Mitt Romney knows who is boss.

And I don't believe he'd recognize his own party anymore.

Mitt Romney kow-tows to the anti-gay religious right - baltimoresun.com

In fact, I can't think of anybody pre-2000 who would recognize today's Republican party.

Barry Goldwater was truly in the mold of the greatest of the Founding Fathers...

he did what he thought was right, and he didn't give a flying fuck what you thought about him...

in retrospect, he probably wasn't the GOP's best choice to run for the presidency...

 

[Oddball]

As much as I admire Au02, i think he was a little off in this respect.

The holy rollers are a small, albeit vocal, minority in the GOP....The kooks that the party has been overrun with are the neocons like the Bushes, Cheney, Rumsfeld, McCain, Graham, Boehner, etcetera, whom you cold hardly differentiate from arch progressive socialist LBJ on your best day.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Holding up Goldwater as someone who would not recognize today's Republican party is so wrong. He'd be leading a Tea Party Rally

JFK cut taxes, strong anti-communist

He would not recognize the Democratic party because it has gone so far left

 

[francoHFW]

JFK- it was just the right time to cut taxes...definite lib.

AuH20- Good Man. Not a tax cutting obsessor or panderer to the mega rich like today's GOP.

 

[Political Junky]

"Goddamn it, John ... the Republicans are selling their soul to win elections ... Mark my word ... if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem." -- Barry Goldwater as told to John Dean

 

[Neotrotsky]

He had some good ones
Goldwater

I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them.
It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' "interests," I shall reply that I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can

 

[occupied]

He would laugh at today's "libertarians" for the closet republican nationalists they are.

 

[Neotrotsky]

He would laugh at today's "libertarians" for the closet republican nationalists they are.

and no doubt
the OWS who are just lackeys of the left establishment
and not true revolutionaries

 

[occupied]

He would laugh at today's "libertarians" for the closet republican nationalists they are.

and no doubt
the OWS who are just lackeys of the left establishment
and not true revolutionaries

I suppose it's all relative, we all know most of the right will crawl out of the apocalypse bunker if Romney is elected and be pro-whatever-Romney-says, can't say the left has become more complacent under Obama.

 

[Neotrotsky]

How many OWS protests in front of the WH?

 

[whitehall]

Any fans of his in the area? I'm asking because I just read this bit;

Barry Goldwater would not have dumped Mr. Grenell; he would have told the carping Bible thumpers to go to hell.

The man who was once the voice of American conservatives slammed Pat Robertson for "trying to take the Republican Party and make a religious organization out of it." When Jerry Falwell opposed the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, Goldwater said, "Every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the n----." And, of gays in the military, Goldwater said, "Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar."

After his retirement from the Senate, Goldwater warned that his party was being taken over by a "bunch of kooks." Well, the kooks are in charge now and Mitt Romney knows who is boss.

And I don't believe he'd recognize his own party anymore.

Mitt Romney kow-tows to the anti-gay religious right - baltimoresun.com

In fact, I can't think of anybody pre-2000 who would recognize today's Republican party.

I doubt if Goldwater would have used the insulting term "bible thumpers". LBJ might have and the degenerate Texan might have exposed himself while he was doing it. Back in the good 'ole days when the only information sources were liberal democrats could get away with anything. Today the democrat anti-religious rhetoric is nothing but the same old bigotry.