Barry Goldwater

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    Any fans of his in the area? I'm asking because I just read this bit;

    And I don't believe he'd recognize his own party anymore.

    Mitt Romney kow-tows to the anti-gay religious right - baltimoresun.com

    In fact, I can't think of anybody pre-2000 who would recognize today's Republican party.
     
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    Goldwater lost.
     
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    Our dearest neighbor passed on in December but I learned so many things from her in the short time I lived next door to her. This is a bit off subject but she was an activist in earlier years and was a big mover and shaker for Goldwater.
     
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    Frank. Is this really all there is to you? Can there be no open dialog? Because if you say so - fine. But I'd like to think there is an intellect in there.
     
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    Goldwater was my first presidential vote. But were he alive today he would be nuanced enough to understand that Romney has no prejudice against gays, simply redefining "marriage," as does a huge majority uf the US electorate.

    Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson never enjoyed that level of support, and he was perfectly justified in taking umbrage against them because they at least appeared to be attempting a high-jack of the R party. IMO, to the degree G wouldn't recognize the GOP would be exactly the reverse of your thesis.
     
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    Sorry, totally not seeing a logic flow in that last sentence.
     
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    Holding up Goldwater as someone who would not recognize today's Republican party is so wrong. He'd be leading a Tea Party Rally
     
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    My last sentence referred to the quote* inside your post. I said that any umbrage Goldwater would have taken would've been towards Falwell and Robertson, and they didn't enjoy the popularity of the opinion that prevails presently for the existing definition of what marriage is (one man one woman), and the reason for any such umbrage would've been that they were trying to hi-jack the GOP for fundamental religious reasons. He was a conservative, and by his nature he would've supported states passing their own legislation or constitutional amendments viz marriage, not federal legislation on that, so your thesis (as expressed in the reference inside your post) is exactly backwards.

    Also Goldwater's issue of 1965 was about the new Medicare Act, that it along with the Great Society legislation would bankrupt the nation; religion as far as I recall didn't enter into that campaign.

    * Here's the quote:
     
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    Barry Goldwater was truly in the mold of the greatest of the Founding Fathers...

    he did what he thought was right, and he didn't give a flying fuck what you thought about him...

    in retrospect, he probably wasn't the GOP's best choice to run for the presidency...
     

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