Barry-Care Was Always A Ploy To Get Single-Payer

[Tom Horn]

I recall when the talk shows breached that issue in 2009, the Rats smiling and carefully parsing their words to the contrary. But that's what they wanted; the ACA was simply a means of getting there and they'd make a few bucks before it imploded. And now it has and only 4 of them voted against that amendment when it came up yesterday...the rest voted "present", a tactic the Kenyan often used on his rise to power. So let's get something straight about single-payer...it's impossible:

What would it cost if we insured everybody, all 326 million Americans?

Somewhere between $2.5 trillion and $3.5 trillion. An additional $1.35 trillion to $2.35 trillion more than the feds spend on Medicaid/Medicare now.

In 2016 the feds only brought in $3.27 trillion and spent $3.85 trillion. Where are the extra trillions supposed to come from? Taxes? To cover everyone and pay for it via taxes means the average person would owe an additional $4,100 to $7,200 every year. At a minimum, a family of four would have to pay $16,400 extra. You can buy a damn good private insurance policy for that kind of money … and have enough left over for a down-payment on a nice car.

Read more at How Much Would Single Payer Health Insurance Cost? | The Daily Liberator

 

[Theowl32]

Yeap. Trust me, I hate being right.

Now, the left are able to blame Trump for obamacare failing.

Makes you wonder, if it was obama that sabotaged hillary.

 

[NYcarbineer]

lol, I thought the Republicans winning elections was a ploy to repeal Obamacare.

 

[J.E.D]

lol, I thought the Republicans winning elections was a ploy to repeal Obamacare.

That is what they've been telling us for the last 8 years

 

[NYcarbineer]

lol, I thought the Republicans winning elections was a ploy to repeal Obamacare.

That is what they've been telling us for the last 8 years

They own the problems with Obamacare now. It's their power to fix them.

 

[Tom Horn]

They own the problems with Obamacare now. It's their power to fix them.

Not a chance, moron.......all we have to do is sit back and wait for the crowd to come after your hacks with lanterns and pitchforks....and they will.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I recall when the talk shows breached that issue in 2009, the Rats smiling and carefully parsing their words to the contrary. But that's what they wanted; the ACA was simply a means of getting there and they'd make a few bucks before it imploded. And now it has and only 4 of them voted against that amendment when it came up yesterday...the rest voted "present", a tactic the Kenyan often used on his rise to power. So let's get something straight about single-payer...it's impossible:

What would it cost if we insured everybody, all 326 million Americans?

Somewhere between $2.5 trillion and $3.5 trillion. An additional $1.35 trillion to $2.35 trillion more than the feds spend on Medicaid/Medicare now.

In 2016 the feds only brought in $3.27 trillion and spent $3.85 trillion. Where are the extra trillions supposed to come from? Taxes? To cover everyone and pay for it via taxes means the average person would owe an additional $4,100 to $7,200 every year. At a minimum, a family of four would have to pay $16,400 extra. You can buy a damn good private insurance policy for that kind of money … and have enough left over for a down-payment on a nice car.

Read more at How Much Would Single Payer Health Insurance Cost? | The Daily Liberator

Well, you could always hope that Obamacare was actually heading somewhere positive.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They own the problems with Obamacare now. It's their power to fix them.

Not a chance, moron.......all we have to do is sit back and wait for the crowd to come after your hacks with lanterns and pitchforks....and they will.

How can the GOP NOT own them?

btw, no Republican is going to win a Democrat seat in 2018 running on more promises to repeal Obamacare.

 

[NYcarbineer]

They own the problems with Obamacare now. It's their power to fix them.

Not a chance, moron.......all we have to do is sit back and wait for the crowd to come after your hacks with lanterns and pitchforks....and they will.

There's no chance the GOP can make Obamacare better?

lol, thanks Captain Obvious...

 

[bodecea]

They own the problems with Obamacare now. It's their power to fix them.

Not a chance, moron.......all we have to do is sit back and wait for the crowd to come after your hacks with lanterns and pitchforks....and they will.

The GOP control all three branches. now....except for the amazingly stupid, everyone knows who owns it now.

And we all know what is meant by the "amazingly stupid".

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Once single payer is achieved they can start denying services to sick people. As the sick die, the costs will come down.

 

[Siete]

Barry-Care Was Always A Ploy To Get Single-Payer



too late, the ACA is the law of the land.


it needs to be amended, and will be amended, with or without the fucking do-nothing Republicans.


suck it up and deal with it, you see where just bitching about it got you,

 

[DGS49]

(a) Health INSURANCE is not the equivalent of health CARE.

(b) Health CARE is a commodity, and until we are willing to treat it rationally as a commodity, we, as a national economy, will continue to be fucked. One way or another, people should be paying FOR THEIR OWN health care. Not an insurance company, and definitely not the Gub'mint. This is true even if Gub'mint has to create and fund some health trust accounts for impecunious individuals to use (saving what remains for their own benefit). How can anything be handled rationally, when 90% of the people using a service DON'T CARE WHAT IT COSTS? Indeed, we can't even find out how much it costs!

(c) Health Care can never be a "right" until (i) there is a Constitutional Amendment to create it, (ii) there is a dedicated tax to fund it, and (iii) and Government itself has the means to provide it (Government employed doctors, nurses, etc.; government owns the hospitals, clinics, etc.). Otherwise healthcare can be a privilege, but never a "right."

(d) In a country where nearly have of the population doesn't understand what is wrong with socialism, the future doesn't look great. Glad I'm old.

 

[DGS49]

And note well: once government starts to provide healthcare, we WILL have "death panels." No government program can assume infinite funding. I don't have any problem with death panels, but we will have them.

 

[Tom Horn]

Well, you could always hope that Obamacare was actually heading somewhere positive.

When Jan Brewer took the Medicaid money from ACA, a lot of poor people in Arizona who hadn't seen a doctor in years, got in to see one. We have to acknowledge that saved many lives in the last 7 years. I hadn't seen my doctor in years until 2 years ago when he told me my BP was WAY UP. That appt was the best $95 I ever spent because I didn't have a clue anything was wrong with me. I hadn't had health insurance in years and a stroke or heart attack would have wiped me out. In my business career, I've had to decline countless customers who's credit scores were mangled by medical catastrophes....something had to be done alright....but not with intention of turning it into single-payer.

 

[Anathema]

btw, no Republican is going to win a Democrat seat in 2018 running on more promises to repeal Obamacare.

True. However, more thsn a few will lose primaries because it hasn't been repealed yet.

 

[Tom Horn]

How can the GOP NOT own them?

btw, no Republican is going to win a Democrat seat in 2018 running on more promises to repeal Obamacare.

You're going to get MASSACRED next year...you have TEN vulnerable Senate seats....we only need TWO of them and you'll be sucking hind-tit. Trump is destroying you Rats....branch and root.

 

[Oldstyle]

lol, I thought the Republicans winning elections was a ploy to repeal Obamacare.

That is what they've been telling us for the last 8 years

They own the problems with Obamacare now. It's their power to fix them.

You broke it...but now the GOP "owns" it? LOL...how do you figure THAT!

 

[NYcarbineer]

btw, no Republican is going to win a Democrat seat in 2018 running on more promises to repeal Obamacare.

True. However, more thsn a few will lose primaries because it hasn't been repealed yet.

If they lose to Republicans more zealous for repeal, they play into the Democrats' hands because repeal is no longer favorable political position to hold.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And note well: once government starts to provide healthcare, we WILL have "death panels." No government program can assume infinite funding. I don't have any problem with death panels, but we will have them.

Not only death panels but if you can pay for treatment the panel denies that will be prohibited. Call it the lesson of Charlie Gard.