Avoiding the double-dip...or worse.

The social contract that once worked fairly well doesn't work all that well anymore.

As a consequence our national economy isn't doing all that well.

Seeking a single reason for this decline in our economy is sort of silly.

But I will say that one thing in particular is causing this problem, and this single problem is why I suggest that we need to rethink the SOCAL CONTRACT.

Our economic system is largely based on a theory of SCARCITY.

But our economic system (modern capitalism) has DE FACTO created a society where production pretty much eliminates SCARCITY.

Hence for a while created a CONSUMER driven economy in order to soak up that enormous productivity and there was a functional balance between supply and deamand

But the combined effect of property rights, and some rather short sighted government policies that presume that our economic system must continue to be based on a theory of SCARCITY, means that a greater and greater percentage of the wealth in the world ends up in the hands of a smaller and smaller group of capitalists.

And since we have no good means to get the wealth balance between SUPPLY AND DEMAND back into line, the working classes (which includes not just factory workers and farm workers, but pretty much everybody whose daily bread depends on them doing something productive) our economic system works less and less well for more and more people.

WE ought NOT to blame CAPITALISM for creating enormous wealth. That, after all,, is a GOOD THING.

But we cannot expect that economic system to address the SOCIAL needs of the society in which it exists, either.

The OVERALL well being of a society is NOT the job of the CAPTIALISTS.

It is merely their task to allocate resources to those processes which can create more SUPPLY.

And that is EXACTLY what they do SO WELL.

Sadly, it falls upon GOVERNMENTS to see to it that the wealth capitalism ais creating serves the society that has created it.

And there is no really effective means to do that, as long as our social contract has no fair and just way of sharing that wealth equitably ENOUGH to keep SUPPLY and DEMAND in some kind of RELATIVE balance.
 
This is a pretty good article.
Nothing new, but needs repeating over and over and over.

With a trade deficit exceeding 3% of GDP, either Americans borrow and spend more than they earn to keep the economy going, or the demand for U.S. made goods and services is insufficient to accomplish full employment.

Too many Americans can’t find decent paying jobs...
The article was good enough to get published and be believed by many, but it's full of nonsense.

The 'trade deficit' has been shrinking over the past few years. Back in 2006 it was over 6% of GDP and unemployment was under 5%. Now unemployment's 9.1%, down from double digit unemployment a year ago when the trade deficit had shrunk to the lowest it's been in a dozen years.

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OK, lots of famous people say the trade deficit is really bad and causes unemployment, which proves that there are lots of famous stupid people.
Well we all have our areas of idiocy including you and me but fame tends to make you forget that about yourself.
 
Hmmm...of course Americans are borrowing too much.
As a society - we have had negative savings for years running
Low? Yes. Negative? No.
U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis
Great link!

Of course for BEA purposes they have to use the classic savings definition of savings = income - consumption. That's not useful in understanding general fiscal prudence/weath because it ignores pension funds, stock portfolios, etc.
 
The social contract that once worked fairly well doesn't work all that well anymore.

As a consequence our national economy isn't doing all that well.

Seeking a single reason for this decline in our economy is sort of silly.

But I will say that one thing in particular is causing this problem, and this single problem is why I suggest that we need to rethink the SOCAL CONTRACT.

Our economic system is largely based on a theory of SCARCITY.

But our economic system (modern capitalism) has DE FACTO created a society where production pretty much eliminates SCARCITY.

Hence for a while created a CONSUMER driven economy in order to soak up that enormous productivity and there was a functional balance between supply and deamand

But the combined effect of property rights, and some rather short sighted government policies that presume that our economic system must continue to be based on a theory of SCARCITY, means that a greater and greater percentage of the wealth in the world ends up in the hands of a smaller and smaller group of capitalists.

And since we have no good means to get the wealth balance between SUPPLY AND DEMAND back into line, the working classes (which includes not just factory workers and farm workers, but pretty much everybody whose daily bread depends on them doing something productive) our economic system works less and less well for more and more people.

WE ought NOT to blame CAPITALISM for creating enormous wealth. That, after all,, is a GOOD THING.

But we cannot expect that economic system to address the SOCIAL needs of the society in which it exists, either.

The OVERALL well being of a society is NOT the job of the CAPTIALISTS.

It is merely their task to allocate resources to those processes which can create more SUPPLY.


And that is EXACTLY what they do SO WELL.

Sadly, it falls upon GOVERNMENTS to see to it that the wealth capitalism ais creating serves the society that has created it.

And there is no really effective means to do that, as long as our social contract has no fair and just way of sharing that wealth equitably ENOUGH to keep SUPPLY and DEMAND in some kind of RELATIVE balance.

But they have failed, then, to live up to their own philosophy.

It is merely their task to allocate resources to those processes which can create more SUPPLY

By not allocating resources that would keep Americans on their payrolls, they have created the supply all right, but fewer American consumers who can buy their products (other than sundries and trinkets made in China).
 
But they have failed, then, to live up to their own philosophy.

It is merely their task to allocate resources to those processes which can create more SUPPLY

By not allocating resources that would keep Americans on their payrolls, they have created the supply all right, but fewer American consumers who can buy their products (other than sundries and trinkets made in China).
Actually it is the pursuit of profit not supply that drives the market.
 
meanwhile, in the uk (with it's coalition government bringing in severe austerity measures), the imf has given them the thumbs up and predicted a solid, albeit slow, recovery.

Shame we don't have a government with the balls to take the hard road.

hahahahahahahahahahahah
 
Meanwhile, in the UK (with it's coalition government bringing in severe austerity measures), the IMF has given them the thumbs up and predicted a solid, albeit slow, recovery.

Shame we don't have a Government with the balls to take the hard road.

Blame the voters, who don't like the debt, but don't want the goodies taken away either. And Congress (whether they're Republicans, Democrats or Tea Partiers) won't go against what their constituents want if they want to get reelected. If the US government could simply mandate austerity programs, without a great hue and cry from those who would scream we've become Nazified, it might solve the problem. But you know that's not going to happen.

Actually, I blame Americans... because we elect idiots. And, for the record, I include both Republicans and Democrats in that 'idiots'.

And... for the record.... the TEA Party is not a political party. It is a political movement.

If Obama had done what Cameron had done when he took office, we wouldn't be in such a fucking mess. Instead, he chose to stick to his arrogant stance and priorities instead of doing the right thing for the country. If he had put Healthcare on hold and focused his efforts on saving our economy from day 1, we would be in a much better position now.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


whos in the bigger mess now liar?
 
This is a pretty good article.
Nothing new, but needs repeating over and over and over.

With a trade deficit exceeding 3% of GDP, either Americans borrow and spend more than they earn to keep the economy going, or the demand for U.S. made goods and services is insufficient to accomplish full employment.

Too many Americans can’t find decent paying jobs, houses don’t sell and prices stay depressed, and consumers don’t spend. In the funk, unemployment stays above 9%, and counting adults stuck in part-time jobs or too discouraged to look, and young college graduates flipping hamburgers, it is closer to 20%.

Read more: Avoiding a Double Dip Recession, or Worse - FoxBusiness.com

Avoiding a Double Dip Recession, or Worse - FoxBusiness.com
Your realize this article is 10 months old and still no double dip.
 
This is a pretty good article.
Nothing new, but needs repeating over and over and over.

With a trade deficit exceeding 3% of GDP, either Americans borrow and spend more than they earn to keep the economy going, or the demand for U.S. made goods and services is insufficient to accomplish full employment.

Too many Americans can’t find decent paying jobs, houses don’t sell and prices stay depressed, and consumers don’t spend. In the funk, unemployment stays above 9%, and counting adults stuck in part-time jobs or too discouraged to look, and young college graduates flipping hamburgers, it is closer to 20%.

Read more: Avoiding a Double Dip Recession, or Worse - FoxBusiness.com

Avoiding a Double Dip Recession, or Worse - FoxBusiness.com
Your realize this article is 10 months old and still no double dip.

You realize this thread is 10 months old?
 
But the UK who did austerity is now in a double dip recession

Give it a few more months and it won't be. And it's recovery - when it comes - and it will come - will put it in a much stronger long term position than the US will be. That's what you always fail to understand.... you look only at the short term.... which is why your ideas fail... like your party... and your president.
 
But the UK who did austerity is now in a double dip recession

Give it a few more months and it won't be. And it's recovery - when it comes - and it will come - will put it in a much stronger long term position than the US will be. That's what you always fail to understand.... you look only at the short term.... which is why your ideas fail... like your party... and your president.

Pheh....she is just trying to get at me. Going through old threads and seeing if she can find something. I mean...why else drum out a thread from almost a year ago?
 
But the UK who did austerity is now in a double dip recession

Give it a few more months and it won't be. And it's recovery - when it comes - and it will come - will put it in a much stronger long term position than the US will be. That's what you always fail to understand.... you look only at the short term.... which is why your ideas fail... like your party... and your president.

Oh, right. There's a lot of brightness on the English economic horizon at the moment! All tailwind from here on out!

Precious. The benefits of austerity are always just a day away..always a day away....
 

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