Attempted coup d' etat underway in Venezuela.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nice non sequitur comeback., Debate King.

If you don't understand it's relevance, that is on you.

I think most intelligent folks understand the meaning.

Venezuela has a population of over 31 million. If you want the forum or America to believe a small group of a couple thousand represents the entire nation, then you are as obtuse as that small group.

If Antifa were to try to overthrow this nation's government and it was "beaten, shot at, run over, being hit by water cannons," would you be whining for China and Russia to similarly intervene?

Somehow I doubt it. Stop being such gullible a pussy.

Venezuela has a population of over 31 million.

How many fled recently?

I haven't got a clue.

Do you?

I am sure we could not get accurate information on that. Only propaganda pushing on narrative or another.

The UN says over 3 million.

Venezuelan refugees now number 3.4 million; humanitarian implications massive, UN warns

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Venezuela has a population of over 31 million.

How many fled recently?

As many as possibly could go. But that's not supposed to matter according to the dictator's quislings.

 

[MisterBeale]

Venezuela has a population of over 31 million.

How many fled recently?

As many as possibly could go. But that's not supposed to matter according to the dictator's quislings.

He isn't a dictator. He was elected. Maybe if they were allowed to trade and were not under a siege, they could feed their people.

 

[MisterBeale]

If you don't understand it's relevance, that is on you.

I think most intelligent folks understand the meaning.

I understand you want to imply some meaning that somehow
exculpates what the butcher Maduro is doing.
Like all boot licking apologists for dictators you fail.

Venezuela has a population of over 31 million. If you want the forum or America to believe a small group of a couple thousand represents the entire nation, then you are as obtuse as that small group.

That's really very funny.
Have you been doing comedy long?

If Antifa were to try to overthrow this nation's government and it was "beaten, shot at, run over, being hit by water cannons," would you be whining for China and Russia to similarly intervene?

Such a biased, loaded clumsy attempt at an analogy. Antifa is not involved. Maduro gained power by rigging national elections. The map I provided shows the entire developed world wants Venezuela returned to sanity and their dictator removed.

Somehow I doubt it. Stop being such gullible a pussy.

You are no better than a minor league Josef Goebbles or Baghdad Bob....take your knee pads off and pull up your pants.

We have been over this before. We just disagree. You have your facts, I have mine.

I don't agree with you. There is really no point in having a discussion with you.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Venezuela has a population of over 31 million.

How many fled recently?

As many as possibly could go. But that's not supposed to matter according to the dictator's quislings.

He isn't a dictator. He was elected. Maybe if they were allowed to trade and were not under a siege, they could feed their people.

His election was illegitimate. Stop sucking Maduro's dick so hard.

 

[caddo kid]

This coup has been going on for about two weeks now; I think it needs some ExLax.

 

[MisterBeale]

Venezuela has a population of over 31 million.

How many fled recently?

As many as possibly could go. But that's not supposed to matter according to the dictator's quislings.

He isn't a dictator. He was elected. Maybe if they were allowed to trade and were not under a siege, they could feed their people.

His election was illegitimate. Stop sucking Maduro's dick so hard.

The same source that Toro used about refugee said his election was legitimate. International observers, and a UN observer said it was legitimate.

Your Ad hominem shows your desperation. Sorry bud, you got nothin'

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The same source that Toro used about refugee said his election was legitimate. International observers, and a UN observer said it was legitimate.

Your Ad hominem shows your desperation. Sorry bud, you got nothin'

Venezuela's Maduro re-elected amid outcry over vote - Reuters
You support a butcher. No wonder you don't like the comment. Too bad.

 

[georgephillip]

Watching socialism come to its predictable end is so sad. Those people are being shot and run over by tanks! Disgusting. It just proves you can vote your way into socialism, but you have to fight your way out.

Where did you see Venezuelan tanks running over civilians?

Armored vehicle runs over protesters in Venezuela (IN SPANISH)
georgephillip
SOCIALISM: Venezuelan Military Uses Deadly Force to Keep Citizens From Getting Food...

Neocons are back in charge of US foreign policy, and they are fully committed to regime change in Venezuela and Iran:

Financial Imperialism-The Case of Venezuela

"The US Neocon-led strategy is increasingly clear: establish a ‘beach-head’ on the Colombian-Venezuelan (and Venezuelan-Brazilian) border under the guise of providing humanitarian aid.

"Use the aid to get Venezuelans on the border to welcome the US proxy forces to cross over. Set up political and military structures thereafter just inside the Venezuelan borders with Colombia and Brazil, from which to launch further similar efforts deeper into Venezuela.

"Repeat this province by province, step by step, penetrating Venezuela space until enough local units of the Venezuelan military change sides and convince one or more of the Venezuelan military hierarchy to join them.

"Establish a dual state and government within and along the border of the Venezuelan state this way. A breakaway State and dual power within the country.

"Make it appear, by manipulating the media, that the Venezuelan people are rising up against the Maduro government, when in fact it is US proxy forces invading and using opportunist local politicians, military, and others in the ‘conquered’ zones, as the media covers for their invasion."

 

[Aba Incieni]

Watching socialism come to its predictable end is so sad. Those people are being shot and run over by tanks! Disgusting. It just proves you can vote your way into socialism, but you have to fight your way out.

Where did you see Venezuelan tanks running over civilians?

Armored vehicle runs over protesters in Venezuela (IN SPANISH)
georgephillip
SOCIALISM: Venezuelan Military Uses Deadly Force to Keep Citizens From Getting Food...

Neocons are back in charge of US foreign policy, and they are fully committed to regime change in Venezuela and Iran:

Financial Imperialism-The Case of Venezuela

"The US Neocon-led strategy is increasingly clear: establish a ‘beach-head’ on the Colombian-Venezuelan (and Venezuelan-Brazilian) border under the guise of providing humanitarian aid.

"Use the aid to get Venezuelans on the border to welcome the US proxy forces to cross over. Set up political and military structures thereafter just inside the Venezuelan borders with Colombia and Brazil, from which to launch further similar efforts deeper into Venezuela.

"Repeat this province by province, step by step, penetrating Venezuela space until enough local units of the Venezuelan military change sides and convince one or more of the Venezuelan military hierarchy to join them.

"Establish a dual state and government within and along the border of the Venezuelan state this way. A breakaway State and dual power within the country.

"Make it appear, by manipulating the media, that the Venezuelan people are rising up against the Maduro government, when in fact it is US proxy forces invading and using opportunist local politicians, military, and others in the ‘conquered’ zones, as the media covers for their invasion."

Neocons brought out of mothballs. How quaint.

I see CodePink has suddenly re-materialized after laying dormant for 8 years while Obama droned the entire ME.

 

[georgephillip]

Watching socialism come to its predictable end is so sad. Those people are being shot and run over by tanks! Disgusting. It just proves you can vote your way into socialism, but you have to fight your way out.

Where did you see Venezuelan tanks running over civilians?

Armored vehicle runs over protesters in Venezuela (IN SPANISH)
georgephillip
SOCIALISM: Venezuelan Military Uses Deadly Force to Keep Citizens From Getting Food...

Neocons are back in charge of US foreign policy, and they are fully committed to regime change in Venezuela and Iran:

Financial Imperialism-The Case of Venezuela

"The US Neocon-led strategy is increasingly clear: establish a ‘beach-head’ on the Colombian-Venezuelan (and Venezuelan-Brazilian) border under the guise of providing humanitarian aid.

"Use the aid to get Venezuelans on the border to welcome the US proxy forces to cross over. Set up political and military structures thereafter just inside the Venezuelan borders with Colombia and Brazil, from which to launch further similar efforts deeper into Venezuela.

"Repeat this province by province, step by step, penetrating Venezuela space until enough local units of the Venezuelan military change sides and convince one or more of the Venezuelan military hierarchy to join them.

"Establish a dual state and government within and along the border of the Venezuelan state this way. A breakaway State and dual power within the country.

"Make it appear, by manipulating the media, that the Venezuelan people are rising up against the Maduro government, when in fact it is US proxy forces invading and using opportunist local politicians, military, and others in the ‘conquered’ zones, as the media covers for their invasion."

Neocons brought out of mothballs. How quaint.

I see CodePink has suddenly re-materialized after laying dormant for 8 years while Obama droned the entire ME.

Neocons brought out of mothballs. How quaint.

I see CodePink has suddenly re-materialized after laying dormant for 8 years while Obama droned the entire ME.

Where did you get the idea CodePink ignored Obama's war crimes, Fox News?

Code Pink reviews Obama's Afghan strategy du jour

"There are news reports that on Decembers [sic] 1st, Obama will be at West Point to announce that he is sending tens of thousands more troops to Afghanistan, this despite our rallies, vigils, petitions, phone calls and e-mails saying NO to MORE WAR. We can’t let generals and war profiteers be the only ones who have the President’s ear."

 

[Aba Incieni]

Watching socialism come to its predictable end is so sad. Those people are being shot and run over by tanks! Disgusting. It just proves you can vote your way into socialism, but you have to fight your way out.

Where did you see Venezuelan tanks running over civilians?

Armored vehicle runs over protesters in Venezuela (IN SPANISH)
georgephillip
SOCIALISM: Venezuelan Military Uses Deadly Force to Keep Citizens From Getting Food...

Neocons are back in charge of US foreign policy, and they are fully committed to regime change in Venezuela and Iran:

Financial Imperialism-The Case of Venezuela

"The US Neocon-led strategy is increasingly clear: establish a ‘beach-head’ on the Colombian-Venezuelan (and Venezuelan-Brazilian) border under the guise of providing humanitarian aid.

"Use the aid to get Venezuelans on the border to welcome the US proxy forces to cross over. Set up political and military structures thereafter just inside the Venezuelan borders with Colombia and Brazil, from which to launch further similar efforts deeper into Venezuela.

"Repeat this province by province, step by step, penetrating Venezuela space until enough local units of the Venezuelan military change sides and convince one or more of the Venezuelan military hierarchy to join them.

"Establish a dual state and government within and along the border of the Venezuelan state this way. A breakaway State and dual power within the country.

"Make it appear, by manipulating the media, that the Venezuelan people are rising up against the Maduro government, when in fact it is US proxy forces invading and using opportunist local politicians, military, and others in the ‘conquered’ zones, as the media covers for their invasion."

Neocons brought out of mothballs. How quaint.

I see CodePink has suddenly re-materialized after laying dormant for 8 years while Obama droned the entire ME.

Neocons brought out of mothballs. How quaint.

I see CodePink has suddenly re-materialized after laying dormant for 8 years while Obama droned the entire ME.

Where did you get the idea CodePink ignored Obama's war crimes, Fox News?

Code Pink reviews Obama's Afghan strategy du jour

"There are news reports that on Decembers [sic] 1st, Obama will be at West Point to announce that he is sending tens of thousands more troops to Afghanistan, this despite our rallies, vigils, petitions, phone calls and e-mails saying NO to MORE WAR. We can’t let generals and war profiteers be the only ones who have the President’s ear."

They didn't camp out on his doorstep. They made a jpg instead.

 

[MisterBeale]

The same source that Toro used about refugee said his election was legitimate. International observers, and a UN observer said it was legitimate.

Your Ad hominem shows your desperation. Sorry bud, you got nothin'

Venezuela's Maduro re-elected amid outcry over vote - Reuters
You support a butcher. No wonder you don't like the comment. Too bad.

You know why you are not to be taken seriously?

The sources you use to back up your arguments, you turn around and say can't be trusted to report fairly on news about the Trump administration.

You can't be taken seriously, as you cherry pick your reality.

 

[georgephillip]

Where did you see Venezuelan tanks running over civilians?

Armored vehicle runs over protesters in Venezuela (IN SPANISH)
georgephillip
SOCIALISM: Venezuelan Military Uses Deadly Force to Keep Citizens From Getting Food...

Neocons are back in charge of US foreign policy, and they are fully committed to regime change in Venezuela and Iran:

Financial Imperialism-The Case of Venezuela

"The US Neocon-led strategy is increasingly clear: establish a ‘beach-head’ on the Colombian-Venezuelan (and Venezuelan-Brazilian) border under the guise of providing humanitarian aid.

"Use the aid to get Venezuelans on the border to welcome the US proxy forces to cross over. Set up political and military structures thereafter just inside the Venezuelan borders with Colombia and Brazil, from which to launch further similar efforts deeper into Venezuela.

"Repeat this province by province, step by step, penetrating Venezuela space until enough local units of the Venezuelan military change sides and convince one or more of the Venezuelan military hierarchy to join them.

"Establish a dual state and government within and along the border of the Venezuelan state this way. A breakaway State and dual power within the country.

"Make it appear, by manipulating the media, that the Venezuelan people are rising up against the Maduro government, when in fact it is US proxy forces invading and using opportunist local politicians, military, and others in the ‘conquered’ zones, as the media covers for their invasion."

Neocons brought out of mothballs. How quaint.

I see CodePink has suddenly re-materialized after laying dormant for 8 years while Obama droned the entire ME.

Neocons brought out of mothballs. How quaint.

I see CodePink has suddenly re-materialized after laying dormant for 8 years while Obama droned the entire ME.

Where did you get the idea CodePink ignored Obama's war crimes, Fox News?

Code Pink reviews Obama's Afghan strategy du jour

"There are news reports that on Decembers [sic] 1st, Obama will be at West Point to announce that he is sending tens of thousands more troops to Afghanistan, this despite our rallies, vigils, petitions, phone calls and e-mails saying NO to MORE WAR. We can’t let generals and war profiteers be the only ones who have the President’s ear."

They didn't camp out on his doorstep. They made a jpg instead.

They didn't camp out on his doorstep. They made a jpg instead.

"On October 31, 2009, Code Pink organized a protest rally outside the White House to coincide with President and Mrs. Obama's official Halloween party.

"As many of the guests were family members of military personnel, the Code Pink press release encouraged attendees to dress as 'zombie soldiers'.[18]

"The event gained some notoriety when complaints surfaced about Reuters' characterization of their protest as 'taunting' children, a characterization that Reuters stood by."

Code Pink - Wikipedia

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You know why you are not to be taken seriously?

The sources you use to back up your arguments, you turn around and say can't be trusted to report fairly on news about the Trump administration.

You can't be taken seriously, as you cherry pick your reality.

You are just looking for any escape hatch you can find. Reuters is very reliable when it comes to international news.
You can't be taken seriously as you defend and bend over backwards to support a butcher.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Armored vehicle runs over protesters in Venezuela (IN SPANISH)
georgephillip
SOCIALISM: Venezuelan Military Uses Deadly Force to Keep Citizens From Getting Food...

Neocons are back in charge of US foreign policy, and they are fully committed to regime change in Venezuela and Iran:

Financial Imperialism-The Case of Venezuela

"The US Neocon-led strategy is increasingly clear: establish a ‘beach-head’ on the Colombian-Venezuelan (and Venezuelan-Brazilian) border under the guise of providing humanitarian aid.

"Use the aid to get Venezuelans on the border to welcome the US proxy forces to cross over. Set up political and military structures thereafter just inside the Venezuelan borders with Colombia and Brazil, from which to launch further similar efforts deeper into Venezuela.

"Repeat this province by province, step by step, penetrating Venezuela space until enough local units of the Venezuelan military change sides and convince one or more of the Venezuelan military hierarchy to join them.

"Establish a dual state and government within and along the border of the Venezuelan state this way. A breakaway State and dual power within the country.

"Make it appear, by manipulating the media, that the Venezuelan people are rising up against the Maduro government, when in fact it is US proxy forces invading and using opportunist local politicians, military, and others in the ‘conquered’ zones, as the media covers for their invasion."

Neocons brought out of mothballs. How quaint.

I see CodePink has suddenly re-materialized after laying dormant for 8 years while Obama droned the entire ME.

Neocons brought out of mothballs. How quaint.

I see CodePink has suddenly re-materialized after laying dormant for 8 years while Obama droned the entire ME.

Where did you get the idea CodePink ignored Obama's war crimes, Fox News?

Code Pink reviews Obama's Afghan strategy du jour

"There are news reports that on Decembers [sic] 1st, Obama will be at West Point to announce that he is sending tens of thousands more troops to Afghanistan, this despite our rallies, vigils, petitions, phone calls and e-mails saying NO to MORE WAR. We can’t let generals and war profiteers be the only ones who have the President’s ear."

They didn't camp out on his doorstep. They made a jpg instead.

They didn't camp out on his doorstep. They made a jpg instead.

"On October 31, 2009, Code Pink organized a protest rally outside the White House to coincide with President and Mrs. Obama's official Halloween party.

"As many of the guests were family members of military personnel, the Code Pink press release encouraged attendees to dress as 'zombie soldiers'.[18]

"The event gained some notoriety when complaints surfaced about Reuters' characterization of their protest as 'taunting' children, a characterization that Reuters stood by."

Code Pink - Wikipedia

All 9 of them. lol

 

[MisterBeale]

You know why you are not to be taken seriously?

The sources you use to back up your arguments, you turn around and say can't be trusted to report fairly on news about the Trump administration.

You can't be taken seriously, as you cherry pick your reality.

You are just looking for any escape hatch you can find. Reuters is very reliable when it comes to international news.
You can't be taken seriously as you defend and bend over backwards to support a butcher.

YOU can't seriously defend your position if you won't seriously examine your presuppositions. What makes Reuters international reporting "reliable," and their domestic coverage, "fake news?" Just because you say so, or it because it doesn't accord with your truth?

Be serious, otherwise, you aren't to be taken seriously. I AM CONSISTENT, YOU AREN'T.

The sources I use, I trust, all the time. The sources you trust, you only trust when it suits your feelings. Thus, you aren't to be taken seriously.

However, in the spirit of fair play, let's turn to yet a third source, someone outside of both the Anglo-American establishment, AND the alternative press.

This is the Arabic media interviewing an Anglo-American elite. That should satisfy both of us?

Jon Lee Anderson (born January 15, 1957) is an American biographer, author, investigative reporter, war correspondent and staff writer for The New Yorker, reporting from war zones such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Uganda, Israel, El Salvador, Ireland, Lebanon, Iran, and throughout the Middle East as well as during Hurricane Katrina rescue efforts with K38 Water Safety as documented in the New Yorker article Leaving Desire. Anderson has also written for The New York Times, Harper's, Life, and The Nation. Anderson has profiled political leaders such as Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, and Augusto Pinochet.[1]
Jon Lee Anderson - Wikipedia

Jon Lee Anderson Q&A: Covering Venezuela poses serious challenges
Journalist Jon Lee Anderson discusses how foreign interests and misinformation make it difficult to report on Venezuela.
Jon Lee Anderson Q&A: Covering Venezuela poses serious challenges

Demonstrators clash with government security forces in Venezuela after opposition leader Juan Guaido calls for an uprising [Carlos Garcia Rawlins/Reuters]


". . . Al Jazeera: In February, images of a humanitarian aid truck stationed at the Colombian border with Venezuela made news around the world when it was set alight. What did you make of this story and how foreign media managed it?

Anderson: When you watched CNN, or Fox News, there was a clip where, apparently, a truck had been set on fire. Immediately, everybody went with that story. Within a couple of hours, Marco Rubio, the American senator, had tweeted that this was an outrageous act by the regime - he tweeted that to his millions of followers, and other politicians followed. One of the reasons why heads of state are now using social media is because they're aware of the power of it.

Within a few days it was just received wisdom that this evil regime had not only prevented the aid from coming in - which it did, we saw that they prevented the aid from coming in - but that they also burned it.

But as it turned out, it was one of the opposition demonstrators who had thrown a Molotov cocktail from the Colombian side of the bridge that landed in the truck - which went up in flames.

The Trump administration built up a story for several weeks that this was going to be the culminating moment of the standoff with the evil Maduro regime which could not feed its people, hadn't funded the hospitals, and that millions of people had fled.

Some of which is a fact: there is negligence, there's incompetence, there's ineptitude. And in a functioning democracy, normally, that government wouldn't stay in power.

Nonetheless, the Trump administration and its allies built in its entire Venezuela policy predicated on the idea that once they arrive to their aid at the border (and they had plenty of cheerleaders filming it and writing stories about it) that the Venezuelan military on the other side of the bridge would simply see the error of their ways and fall back and welcome in the aid and Maduro would slink off into some kind of humiliated exile. Well, that didn't happen.. . . . "

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

YOU can't seriously defend your position if you won't seriously examine your presuppositions. What makes Reuters international reporting "reliable," and their domestic coverage, "fake news?" Just because you say so, or it because it doesn't accord with your truth?

Reuters Anti-American Bias
Reuters makes Reuters an unreliable source of domestic news. It's their own biased unreliable reporting.

As far as the rest of your unbelievably lame bullshit, although bullshit at least has some value, unlike your ridiculous claims, I suppose we just have to take your word for the allegation that one of trucks filled with aid intended for starving, sickly Venezuelans victimized by their dictator was set ablaze by anti Maduro forces.
No proof provided. How convenient.
I suppose video of armored vehicles running down citizens and protestors being shot and attacked are just figments of imagination and a mass hallucination.
Same with the millions fleeing Venezuela for refuge in nearby nations because Venezuela has become a repressive socialist nightmare to try and live in.

We do however have more reliable sources that report that 191 tons of humanitarian aid has been sent to the Colombian border for distribution to the suffering and Maduro the butcher has closed down the border in reprisal.
What a great guy! The Latest: USAID: 191 tons of aid sent to Venezuela border

 

[emilynghiem]

CORRECTION: 2018 election polls added for comparison.
Note the REASON the Democratic Unity party did not appear in the second polls
after receiving almost half the votes in the 2013 election:

Venezuela has a population of over 31 million.

How many fled recently?

As many as possibly could go. But that's not supposed to matter according to the dictator's quislings.

He isn't a dictator. He was elected. Maybe if they were allowed to trade and were not under a siege, they could feed their people.

His election was illegitimate. Stop sucking Maduro's dick so hard.

Dear MisterBeale Eric Arthur Blair
If we are not going to interject any political bias from outside
into this country's democratic process, then we should be neutral on both counts.

Given the vote was almost evenly split 50/50,
The best way to represent all the people of Venezuela would be to share the representation proportionally:
let all parties represent their interests and platforms through the leadership of their choice,
then form a coalition with the top two leaders to accommodate all parties equally so all people are included.

I read that Tulsi Gabbard and other Democrats have broken from their official party stance,
so instead of aligning with Trump, they are asking to recognize the democratically elected leadership.

Why not allow both to choose the leader that represents their beliefs, similar to having
both Protestant and Catholic churches lead their own people at the same time without conflict or domination of one over the other?

We could learn how to manage both major parties in our own country facing similar strife.

If the US is pushing a third party candidate to lead the government, why not make that a neutral facilitator
who brings in the other leaders and parties to form policies together.

People will quit fighting when they know they can be heard, included and represented by their own party and candidates of choice
without having to fight. So if people are still fighting, that means we haven't set this up properly (as churches no longer go to
war but have equal freedom to elect and manage their own administrations for their own followers. why not with parties?)

 

[MisterBeale]

Venezuela has a population of over 31 million.

How many fled recently?

As many as possibly could go. But that's not supposed to matter according to the dictator's quislings.

He isn't a dictator. He was elected. Maybe if they were allowed to trade and were not under a siege, they could feed their people.

His election was illegitimate. Stop sucking Maduro's dick so hard.

Dear MisterBeale Eric Arthur Blair
If we are not going to interject any political bias from outside
into this country's democratic process, then we should be neutral on both counts.

View attachment 260857
Given the vote was almost evenly split 50/50,
The best way to represent all the people of Venezuela would be to share the representation proportionally:
let all parties represent their interests and platforms through the leadership of their choice,
then form a coalition with the top two leaders to accommodate all parties equally so all people are included.

I read that Tulsi Gabbard and other Democrats have broken from their official party stance,
so instead of aligning with Trump, they are asking to recognize the democratically elected leadership.

Why not allow both to choose the leader that represents their beliefs, similar to having
both Protestant and Catholic churches lead their own people at the same time without conflict or domination of one over the other?

We could learn how to manage both major parties in our own country facing similar strife.

If the US is pushing a third party candidate to lead the government, why not make that a neutral facilitator
who brings in the other leaders and parties to form policies together.

People will quit fighting when they know they can be heard, included and represented by their own party and candidates of choice
without having to fight. So if people are still fighting, that means we haven't set this up properly (as churches no longer go to
war but have equal freedom to elect and manage their own administrations for their own followers. why not with parties?)

You have the wrong election.

. . . and Wiki uses Reuters, so that doesn't get us anywhere. Reuters pushes the Anglo-American Empire.