Aren't all gun control laws unconstitutional?

[Turn Right]

I've heard a lot of simple minded liberals say that the 2nd amendment says nothing about AR-15s

To me that means that they must not have been very condenser about them. In fact maybe they were sending us a message about everyone should own one.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Aren't all gun control laws unconstitutional?

No

 

[harmonica]

you don't have unlimited free speech rights
..you don't have unlimited rights for pursuit of happiness
you don't have unlimited rights
it's like the bible= can be interpreted many ways
it's like guidebooks=they can't write EVERYTHING in there=they are for GUIDance
written over 200 years ago !!! the world has CHANGED significantly
written by humans who are imperfect
written by males who believed slavery was ok and women shouldn't vote
etc etc

 

[Blues Man]

you don't have unlimited free speech rights
..you don't have unlimited rights for pursuit of happiness
you don't have unlimited rights
it's like the bible= can be interpreted many ways
it's like guidebooks=they can't write EVERYTHING in there=they are for GUIDance
written over 200 years ago !!! the world has CHANGED significantly
written by humans who are imperfect
written by males who believed slavery was ok and women shouldn't vote
etc etc

and we have a built in process to change the Constitution to take into effect such changes.

And you'll notice that the second is the right to keep and bear arms not the right to fire those arms anywhere so technically anyone firing a gun is not exercising a right unless it can be justified by thr person who discharged the weapon

 

[pismoe]

of course you have unlimited Free Speech but you might be arrested for causing a panic after you yell FIRE in a theatre where there is NO Fire .

 

[Turn Right]

Aren't all gun control laws unconstitutional?

No

If they're not in the 2nd amendment then they're unconstitutional.

 

[pinqy]

of course you have unlimited Free Speech but you might be arrested for causing a panic after you yell FIRE in a theatre where there is NO Fire .

There are laws against: slander, perjury, false advertising, fraud, false statements to police, incitement to riot, etc. not all speech is protected.

 

[pismoe]

in the example that I mentioned you have Freedom to FREE SPEECH but if its not a real warning and you cause a PANIC you might be arrested Pinqy ,

 

[harmonica]

of course you have unlimited Free Speech but you might be arrested for causing a panic after you yell FIRE in a theatre where there is NO Fire .

no no--it's not free if you get arrested / fired from your job/lose $$$/etc
lot's have people have been fired for '''racist'' free speech
lot's of people have been fired for '''''free speech''''
or your pay/income is effected
free
/frē/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
   "I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"
2. 2.
   not or no longer confined or imprisoned.
   "the researchers set the birds free"
   synonyms: on the loose, at liberty, at large; More

adverb

1. 1.
   without cost or payment.

 

[the other mike]

I've heard a lot of simple minded liberals say that the 2nd amendment says nothing about AR-15s

To me that means that they must not have been very condenser about them. In fact maybe they were sending us a message about everyone should own one.

Not being very condenser ?
Is that slang for cool ?

 

[Blues Man]

of course you have unlimited Free Speech but you might be arrested for causing a panic after you yell FIRE in a theatre where there is NO Fire .

no no--it's not free if you get arrested / fired from your job/lose $$$/etc
lot's have people have been fired for '''racist'' free speech
lot's of people have been fired for '''''free speech''''
or your pay/income is effected
free
/frē/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
   "I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"
2. 2.
   not or no longer confined or imprisoned.
   "the researchers set the birds free"
   synonyms: on the loose, at liberty, at large; More

adverb

1. 1.
   without cost or payment.

Your employer cannot violate your right to free speech.

The First Amendment only applies to the government not the general public

As in the words "Congress shall pass no law...."

It's the same thing for any social media platform. Facebook etc has no obligation to provide you a venue to exercise your rights to free speech and cannot violate your right to free speech since you agreed to their terms of service when you signed up.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I've heard a lot of simple minded liberals say that the 2nd amendment says nothing about AR-15s

To me that means that they must not have been very condenser about them. In fact maybe they were sending us a message about everyone should own one.

Gun control laws ARE unconstitutional.

 

[justinacolmena]

"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,"

Do we even have free states as opposed to slave states, among the United States of America?

Or are only "the armed services" allowed to bear arms on our behalf?

"the right of the people" = a universal human right

"to keep and bear Arms" = to possess and carry firearms

"shall not be infringed" = Don't even think of questioning or interfering with our gun rights in any way, shape, or form!

Those who impose arbitrary gun control on us in peacetime can fully expect to be treated by us as the armed & dangerous enemy combatants they are in wartime.

 

[harmonica]

of course you have unlimited Free Speech but you might be arrested for causing a panic after you yell FIRE in a theatre where there is NO Fire .

no no--it's not free if you get arrested / fired from your job/lose $$$/etc
lot's have people have been fired for '''racist'' free speech
lot's of people have been fired for '''''free speech''''
or your pay/income is effected
free
/frē/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
   "I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"
2. 2.
   not or no longer confined or imprisoned.
   "the researchers set the birds free"
   synonyms: on the loose, at liberty, at large; More

adverb

1. 1.
   without cost or payment.

Your employer cannot violate your right to free speech.

The First Amendment only applies to the government not the general public

As in the words "Congress shall pass no law...."

It's the same thing for any social media platform. Facebook etc has no obligation to provide you a venue to exercise your rights to free speech and cannot violate your right to free speech since you agreed to their terms of service when you signed up.

....please look at the definition again ..the employers can and DO tell you what you can say or not = NOT FREE
.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it
free speech IS limited

 

[justinacolmena]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

May I let you in on something?

The Right to keep and bear Arms is an unalienable Right. Under constitutional law, you cannot give away an unalienable Right; no government can impose on it. I'm bolding words and concepts for a reason.

Although people "do" forfeit their Second Amendment Rights, they do so by way of ignorance, apathy, and sometime duress. If you read the legal lingo, you can avoid this issue. Let's look at this clearly:

The government issues a "firearms license (or permit.) But what are these documents?

According to Black's Law Dictionary, the word license means:

"In the law of contracts. A permission, accorded by a competent authority, conferring the right to do some act which without such authorization would be illegal, or would be a trespass or a tort."

According to the same source a permit is:

"A written license or warrant, issued by a person in authority, empowering the grantee to do some act not forbidden by law, but not allowable without such authority."

The Right to keep and bear Arms is an unalienable Right. That means it is above the reach of government. You were born with that Right. If you submit to a license / permit, you've forfeited the Right. We cannot prevail on the subject of keeping and bearing Arms while carrying around a card giving us permission we had an unalienable Right to do in the first place. So, if you have permission from the government to carry a firearm, they get to throw any rule at you they want. If you carried without a permit / license, you would not be in any databanks (again provided you didn't forfeit your Rights by signing a Form 4473 and registering the weapon.)

Heed this warning: After Trump followed the BAD precedent set by the Executive department of government by ruling via Executive fiat that bump stocks are illegal, it followed the practice of declaring open bolt weapons and pre-1986 RDIAS parts to be machine guns and, consequently illegal:

ATF Confiscating Drop In Auto Sears

So you paid the big bucks for that AR 15 and think you're all legal like. Then they tell you the pistol grip, flash suppressor, high capacity magazine, bayonet lug, barrel shroud, and vertical grip are illegal... Oh, let's not forget you used the M16 profile bolt because it worked better. By Executive fiat, they will outlaw your weapons one part at a time.

And you're helping it along by getting a permit / license to carry a weapon??? OR you registered it with a Form 4473???

Uh, no guys, the reason your Second Amendment Rights are limited is you agreed to it. You really didn't have to.

 

[Blues Man]

of course you have unlimited Free Speech but you might be arrested for causing a panic after you yell FIRE in a theatre where there is NO Fire .

no no--it's not free if you get arrested / fired from your job/lose $$$/etc
lot's have people have been fired for '''racist'' free speech
lot's of people have been fired for '''''free speech''''
or your pay/income is effected
free
/frē/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
   "I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"
2. 2.
   not or no longer confined or imprisoned.
   "the researchers set the birds free"
   synonyms: on the loose, at liberty, at large; More

adverb

1. 1.
   without cost or payment.

Your employer cannot violate your right to free speech.

The First Amendment only applies to the government not the general public

As in the words "Congress shall pass no law...."

It's the same thing for any social media platform. Facebook etc has no obligation to provide you a venue to exercise your rights to free speech and cannot violate your right to free speech since you agreed to their terms of service when you signed up.

....please look at the definition again ..the employers can and DO tell you what you can say or not = NOT FREE
.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it
free speech IS limited

An employer cannot violate your first amendment rights.

You will never win a law suit if an employer fires you for saying stupid shit at work.

When you agreed to take a job you agreed to the terms of conduct the employer sets for his establishment

As I said the first amendment only applies to the government not any other private citizen.

 

[Blues Man]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

 

[harmonica]

of course you have unlimited Free Speech but you might be arrested for causing a panic after you yell FIRE in a theatre where there is NO Fire .

no no--it's not free if you get arrested / fired from your job/lose $$$/etc
lot's have people have been fired for '''racist'' free speech
lot's of people have been fired for '''''free speech''''
or your pay/income is effected
free
/frē/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
   "I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"
2. 2.
   not or no longer confined or imprisoned.
   "the researchers set the birds free"
   synonyms: on the loose, at liberty, at large; More

adverb

1. 1.
   without cost or payment.

Your employer cannot violate your right to free speech.

The First Amendment only applies to the government not the general public

As in the words "Congress shall pass no law...."

It's the same thing for any social media platform. Facebook etc has no obligation to provide you a venue to exercise your rights to free speech and cannot violate your right to free speech since you agreed to their terms of service when you signed up.

....please look at the definition again ..the employers can and DO tell you what you can say or not = NOT FREE
.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it
free speech IS limited

An employer cannot violate your first amendment rights.

You will never win a law suit if an employer fires you for saying stupid shit at work.

When you agreed to take a job you agreed to the terms of conduct the employer sets for his establishment

As I said the first amendment only applies to the government not any other private citizen.

EXACTLY--NOT free----limited!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you

only applies to the government not any other private citizen.

ONLY ----understand now?

ONLY
....if it was unlimited, you could not get fired --this is very plain and simple--cannot be argued except by those with closed minds
that's nowhere near unlimited.....look at the definition
: lacking any controls : UNRESTRICTEDunlimited access
2: BOUNDLESS, INFINITEunlimited possibilities
3: not bounded by exceptions : UNDEFINED

....yes--he can violate your free speech by firing you--what don't you understand about that??
.....it is a RIGHTS VIOLATION if they don't hire you OR fire you for terms listed below---free speech is not listed
if free speech is a right, they CAN'T fire you

Title VII prohibits private and State and local government employers with 15 or moreemployees and employment agencies from discriminating on the basis of race, color, sex (including pregnancy), religion or national origin in all aspects of an employmentrelationship, including hiring, discharge, compensation

hahahhahahahahahaha
they can FIRE you--what do you not understand about that?

 

[Vastator]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

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