Aren't all gun control laws unconstitutional?

[Vastator]

of course you have unlimited Free Speech but you might be arrested for causing a panic after you yell FIRE in a theatre where there is NO Fire .

no no--it's not free if you get arrested / fired from your job/lose $$$/etc
lot's have people have been fired for '''racist'' free speech
lot's of people have been fired for '''''free speech''''
or your pay/income is effected
free
/frē/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
   "I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"
2. 2.
   not or no longer confined or imprisoned.
   "the researchers set the birds free"
   synonyms: on the loose, at liberty, at large; More

adverb

1. 1.
   without cost or payment.

Your employer cannot violate your right to free speech.

The First Amendment only applies to the government not the general public

As in the words "Congress shall pass no law...."

It's the same thing for any social media platform. Facebook etc has no obligation to provide you a venue to exercise your rights to free speech and cannot violate your right to free speech since you agreed to their terms of service when you signed up.

....please look at the definition again ..the employers can and DO tell you what you can say or not = NOT FREE
.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it
free speech IS limited

An employer cannot violate your first amendment rights.

You will never win a law suit if an employer fires you for saying stupid shit at work.

When you agreed to take a job you agreed to the terms of conduct the employer sets for his establishment

As I said the first amendment only applies to the government not any other private citizen.

EXACTLY--NOT free----limited!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you

only applies to the government not any other private citizen.

ONLY ----understand now?

ONLY
....if it was unlimited, you could not get fired --this is very plain and simple--cannot be argued except by those with closed minds
that's nowhere near unlimited.....look at the definition
: lacking any controls : UNRESTRICTEDunlimited access
2: BOUNDLESS, INFINITEunlimited possibilities
3: not bounded by exceptions : UNDEFINED

....yes--he can violate your free speech by firing you--what don't you understand about that??
.....it is a RIGHTS VIOLATION if they don't hire you OR fire you for terms listed below---free speech is not listed
if free speech is a right, they CAN'T fire you

Title VII prohibits private and State and local government employers with 15 or moreemployees and employment agencies from discriminating on the basis of race, color, sex (including pregnancy), religion or national origin in all aspects of an employmentrelationship, including hiring, discharge, compensation

hahahhahahahahahaha
they can FIRE you--what do you not understand about that?

Why not? Don’t you believe in freedom of association?

 

[harmonica]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

the employer can also limit your rights by having a gun free area

 

[Vastator]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

the employer can also limit your rights by having a gun free area

Your employment is voluntary. And the companies have property rights.

 

[Blues Man]

of course you have unlimited Free Speech but you might be arrested for causing a panic after you yell FIRE in a theatre where there is NO Fire .

no no--it's not free if you get arrested / fired from your job/lose $$$/etc
lot's have people have been fired for '''racist'' free speech
lot's of people have been fired for '''''free speech''''
or your pay/income is effected
free
/frē/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
   "I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"
2. 2.
   not or no longer confined or imprisoned.
   "the researchers set the birds free"
   synonyms: on the loose, at liberty, at large; More

adverb

1. 1.
   without cost or payment.

Your employer cannot violate your right to free speech.

The First Amendment only applies to the government not the general public

As in the words "Congress shall pass no law...."

It's the same thing for any social media platform. Facebook etc has no obligation to provide you a venue to exercise your rights to free speech and cannot violate your right to free speech since you agreed to their terms of service when you signed up.

....please look at the definition again ..the employers can and DO tell you what you can say or not = NOT FREE
.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it
free speech IS limited

An employer cannot violate your first amendment rights.

You will never win a law suit if an employer fires you for saying stupid shit at work.

When you agreed to take a job you agreed to the terms of conduct the employer sets for his establishment

As I said the first amendment only applies to the government not any other private citizen.

EXACTLY--NOT free----limited!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you

only applies to the government not any other private citizen.

ONLY ----understand now?

ONLY
....if it was unlimited, you could not get fired --this is very plain and simple--cannot be argued except by those with closed minds
that's nowhere near unlimited.....look at the definition
: lacking any controls : UNRESTRICTEDunlimited access
2: BOUNDLESS, INFINITEunlimited possibilities
3: not bounded by exceptions : UNDEFINED

....yes--he can violate your free speech by firing you--what don't you understand about that??
.....it is a RIGHTS VIOLATION if they don't hire you OR fire you for terms listed below---free speech is not listed
if free speech is a right, they CAN'T fire you

Title VII prohibits private and State and local government employers with 15 or moreemployees and employment agencies from discriminating on the basis of race, color, sex (including pregnancy), religion or national origin in all aspects of an employmentrelationship, including hiring, discharge, compensation

hahahhahahahahahaha
they can FIRE you--what do you not understand about that?

Your boss can fire you for anything he wants.

If you don't like it then work for yourself

Only an idiot thinks he can say anything he wants while at a job with absolutely no consequences

 

[Blues Man]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

the employer can also limit your rights by having a gun free area

What part about the Bill of rights only pertaining to the government do you not understand?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

This is not entirely true. In some jurisdictions your firearm license is a matter of public record.

 

[justinacolmena]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

This is not entirely true. In some jurisdictions your firearm license is a matter of public record.

Amended Definition of “Adjudicated as a Mental Defective” and “Committed to a Mental Institution” (2010R-21P)

 

[Porter Rockwell]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

This is not entirely true. In some jurisdictions your firearm license is a matter of public record.

Amended Definition of “Adjudicated as a Mental Defective” and “Committed to a Mental Institution” (2010R-21P)

I don't understand the significance of what you posted in relation to my post. Those who are mentally defective, incompetent, etc. need to be in mental institutions or in protective custody of some sort.

If a person is crazy enough to shoot you, they would stab you, run over you with a car, burn you alive as you slept in your bed, hurl Molotov cocktails at you, feed you ethylene glycol in a drink, etc, etc.

 

[justinacolmena]

Those who are mentally defective, incompetent, etc. need to be in mental institutions or in protective custody of some sort.

There is no due process of law for that. One allegation or even a suggestion of mental illness is enough to destroy you life & career.

The cops simply put on white coats instead of blue uniforms, a stethoscope instead of a badge, and a needle & syringe instead of a gun.

There is a diagnosis instead of a criminal charge, and a prescription instead of a sentence; a mental institution instead of a prison.

It all has the force of law, but without the due process thereof, and no defense is admissible.

 

[Blues Man]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

This is not entirely true. In some jurisdictions your firearm license is a matter of public record.

I have a CC permit that might be public record but that is not proof that I own any firearms

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Those who are mentally defective, incompetent, etc. need to be in mental institutions or in protective custody of some sort.

There is no due process of law for that. One allegation or even a suggestion of mental illness is enough to destroy you life & career.

The cops simply put on white coats instead of blue uniforms, a stethoscope instead of a badge, and a needle & syringe instead of a gun.

There is a diagnosis instead of a criminal charge, and a prescription instead of a sentence; a mental institution instead of a prison.

It all has the force of law, but without the due process thereof, and no defense is admissible.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. PART of the problem is that America is being controlled by at least two different governments. The first is an illegal / unconstitutional Federal - Legislative Democracy owned and controlled by elite multinational corporations. The other government is the jure / lawful / Republic controlled by the Constitution of the United States.

Through a combination of apathy, indifference, stupidity, and plain laziness most people have sat on their collective asses and allowed an illegal government to seize power in this country. The more ignorant on the right feel that Donald Trump (the most anti - gun president in American history) can run this country via Executive fiat. The left thinks you can vote for anything and over-rule both the Republican form of government guaranteed in Article 4 Section 4 of the Constitution along with screwing over the Second Amendment.

You know the score; I know the score. We also know what Rights we are supposed to have. So, you do not relinquish your Rights and you have to be willing to do more than bitch about the status quo.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

This is not entirely true. In some jurisdictions your firearm license is a matter of public record.

I have a CC permit that might be public record but that is not proof that I own any firearms

When companies find out, they can still discriminate against you. The pro-gun organizations should be willing to fight like the people in the civil rights movement did to rectify the situation. Society can't discriminate against gay people, black people, people of a religious sect, or political persuasion. It doesn't make sense why people who avail themselves of an individual Right to keep and bear Arms should be treated any differently, but there are no specific laws protecting gun owners. Why is that?

 

[Blues Man]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

This is not entirely true. In some jurisdictions your firearm license is a matter of public record.

I have a CC permit that might be public record but that is not proof that I own any firearms

When companies find out, they can still discriminate against you. The pro-gun organizations should be willing to fight like the people in the civil rights movement did to rectify the situation. Society can't discriminate against gay people, black people, people of a religious sect, or political persuasion. It doesn't make sense why people who avail themselves of an individual Right to keep and bear Arms should be treated any differently, but there are no specific laws protecting gun owners. Why is that?

I have yet to see a background check on an employee that says whether or not they own guns.

And the firing of an individual for no other reason than he has a carry permit will not stand legal scrutiny.

There is legal precedent for any employer to prohibit firearms on their property so if your employer says no guns allowed on company property you can be fired if you do not comply

 

[diver52]

I've heard a lot of simple minded liberals say that the 2nd amendment says nothing about AR-15s

To me that means that they must not have been very condenser about them. In fact maybe they were sending us a message about everyone should own one.

The answer is obviously yes because SCOTUS has made it clear both the federal and state governments can do so. The Constitution places the power to make those determinations in the hands of SCOTUS and the federal judiciary.

What I find simple minded is the idea the 2nd amendment is about guns. Guns are mentioned nowhere in the text. It refers to "arms", which includes but is not limited to guns. That word would include such things as biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. Do you think a law which prohibits your neighbor from developing weapons grade anthrax in his garage should be unconstitutional?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

This is not entirely true. In some jurisdictions your firearm license is a matter of public record.

I have a CC permit that might be public record but that is not proof that I own any firearms

When companies find out, they can still discriminate against you. The pro-gun organizations should be willing to fight like the people in the civil rights movement did to rectify the situation. Society can't discriminate against gay people, black people, people of a religious sect, or political persuasion. It doesn't make sense why people who avail themselves of an individual Right to keep and bear Arms should be treated any differently, but there are no specific laws protecting gun owners. Why is that?

I have yet to see a background check on an employee that says whether or not they own guns.

And the firing of an individual for no other reason than he has a carry permit will not stand legal scrutiny.

There is legal precedent for any employer to prohibit firearms on their property so if your employer says no guns allowed on company property you can be fired if you do not comply

Every state has different laws. Until a few years ago in Georgia if an employer said you could not carry a weapon, even in your car in the parking lot, then you absolutely could not do it.

Today, however, you CAN have your weapon in your car, regardless of whether or not an employer agrees. The only exception is if the employer fences in the property and only allows employees access to a company parking lot. As long as their parking lot is accessible to the public, you can have your weapon in the vehicle.

Here is a look at which states have public access laws to a ccw:

Chart: Gun permit data accessibility in all 50 states

If something is a matter of public record it is accessible to anyone doing a background check on you. People can look and then refuse you employment, services, loans, etc. without stating that as a reason.

 

[justinacolmena]

People can look and then refuse you employment, services, loans, etc. without stating that as a reason.

Age discrimination is supposed to be illegal, but you have a date of birth with your I.D. on your job application. Go figure.

And "too old" is more often than not a proxy for some other reason to refuse to employ someone.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

People can look and then refuse you employment, services, loans, etc. without stating that as a reason.

Age discrimination is supposed to be illegal, but you have a date of birth with your I.D. on your job application. Go figure.

And "too old" is more often than not a proxy for some other reason to refuse to employ someone.

There are any number of ways that corporations discriminate against you. On your job applications / resumes, your address says a lot about you. It tells the screener most likely your race, previous income, and lifestyle. I noticed too that once I turned 40 I became "overqualified."

One time I applied an employment agency. I walked in and they looked at me and one employee said, we don't have any jobs available at this time. At about that same instant two ill dressed Jamaicans walked in and said they were looking for jobs. Another employee handed them an application. I looked at the lady that just turned me down and I said: "Nobody has a job available when I show up. I'm too old and too white."

So, we're back to square one. If you have paperwork with the government, many times someone will find out you own firearms and then you are persona non-grata. We need a gun owners law that protects gun owners and their privacy.

 

[harmonica]

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

This is not entirely true. In some jurisdictions your firearm license is a matter of public record.

I have a CC permit that might be public record but that is not proof that I own any firearms

When companies find out, they can still discriminate against you. The pro-gun organizations should be willing to fight like the people in the civil rights movement did to rectify the situation. Society can't discriminate against gay people, black people, people of a religious sect, or political persuasion. It doesn't make sense why people who avail themselves of an individual Right to keep and bear Arms should be treated any differently, but there are no specific laws protecting gun owners. Why is that?

I have yet to see a background check on an employee that says whether or not they own guns.

And the firing of an individual for no other reason than he has a carry permit will not stand legal scrutiny.

There is legal precedent for any employer to prohibit firearms on their property so if your employer says no guns allowed on company property you can be fired if you do not comply

...put another way--an employer can fire you for your speech--and the government can do nothing
..but if they fire you because of your race or religion, the government WILL get involved and kick the employer's a$$

 

[harmonica]

hahha

no no--it's not free if you get arrested / fired from your job/lose $$$/etc
lot's have people have been fired for '''racist'' free speech
lot's of people have been fired for '''''free speech''''
or your pay/income is effected
free
/frē/
Learn to pronounce
adjective

1. 1.
   not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
   "I have no ambitions other than to have a happy life and be free"
2. 2.
   not or no longer confined or imprisoned.
   "the researchers set the birds free"
   synonyms: on the loose, at liberty, at large; More

adverb

1. 1.
   without cost or payment.

Your employer cannot violate your right to free speech.

The First Amendment only applies to the government not the general public

As in the words "Congress shall pass no law...."

It's the same thing for any social media platform. Facebook etc has no obligation to provide you a venue to exercise your rights to free speech and cannot violate your right to free speech since you agreed to their terms of service when you signed up.

....please look at the definition again ..the employers can and DO tell you what you can say or not = NOT FREE
.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it
free speech IS limited

An employer cannot violate your first amendment rights.

You will never win a law suit if an employer fires you for saying stupid shit at work.

When you agreed to take a job you agreed to the terms of conduct the employer sets for his establishment

As I said the first amendment only applies to the government not any other private citizen.

EXACTLY--NOT free----limited!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you

only applies to the government not any other private citizen.

ONLY ----understand now?

ONLY
....if it was unlimited, you could not get fired --this is very plain and simple--cannot be argued except by those with closed minds
that's nowhere near unlimited.....look at the definition
: lacking any controls : UNRESTRICTEDunlimited access
2: BOUNDLESS, INFINITEunlimited possibilities
3: not bounded by exceptions : UNDEFINED

....yes--he can violate your free speech by firing you--what don't you understand about that??
.....it is a RIGHTS VIOLATION if they don't hire you OR fire you for terms listed below---free speech is not listed
if free speech is a right, they CAN'T fire you

Title VII prohibits private and State and local government employers with 15 or moreemployees and employment agencies from discriminating on the basis of race, color, sex (including pregnancy), religion or national origin in all aspects of an employmentrelationship, including hiring, discharge, compensation

hahahhahahahahahaha
they can FIRE you--what do you not understand about that?

Your boss can fire you for anything he wants.

If you don't like it then work for yourself

Only an idiot thinks he can say anything he wants while at a job with absolutely no consequences

hahahahhah--I just pointed that out--you just fked up--you are wrong --and I posted this in a previous thread--you must not be paying attention and/or do not understand
...they CAN'T fire you for racial/etc purposes..if they do--they can get sued/etc
The Employment Equality Acts 1998-2015 - A Summary - The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission

 

[harmonica]

.....this is undeniable---employers limit free speech and the government/constitution can't do anything about it

More to the point, employers are well aware of registered firearms when they do background checks, and most have an unwritten policy of refusing to hire gun owners or firing an employee who purchases a firearm.

Landlords refuse to rent to gun owners, and and evict renters who purchase firearms.

Banks refuse to lend to homebuyers who own guns, and foreclose on homeowners who purchase firearms.

All the local cops are on their side, too.

No employer or landlord knows if you own a gun.

the employer can also limit your rights by having a gun free area

What part about the Bill of rights only pertaining to the government do you not understand?

?what?
your employer can deny you the right to bring a gun to work---plain and simple
you DON'T have a right to bear arms in their area