Are the Palestinians a real people?

[P F Tinmore]

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

The Islamics starting a war in 1948 created the so-called “refugees”.

How can you start a war when you are at home?

How can you be at home when you cross a frontier to start a war?

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Zionist attack on Palestinians while they were at home.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Of course they are fake. No where else in the world would the grandchildren of an itinerant Egyptian farm worker who lived in what became Israel for a couple of years before fleeing from the war be called a Palestinian refugee. If Israel were not a Jewish state, the notion would have been laughed out of the UN.

Most had long standing ties in Palestine. And even for those who were not, so what? Does that alter the fact they were driven off their land and are stateless?

Very few of the so called Palestinians who are alive today have long standing ties to what is now Israel and very few were driven off. Their suffering today is very much caused by people like you who cherish it as a weapon to use against Israel. They are not exactly stateless. They are all citizens of the Palestinian Authority which operates in most important ways as a state.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Israel created no refugees, the Arab nations did, and then the UN relieved the Arab nations of all responsibility for all the refugees the Arabs created by insanely asserting that all future descendants of the refugees will be considered refugees until the end of time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Most had long standing ties in Palestine. And even for those who were not, so what? Does that alter the fact they were driven off their land and are stateless?

Very few of the so called Palestinians who are alive today have long standing ties to what is now Israel and very few were driven off. Their suffering today is very much caused by people like you who cherish it as a weapon to use against Israel. They are not exactly stateless. They are all citizens of the Palestinian Authority which operates in most important ways as a state.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Israel created no refugees, the Arab nations did, and then the UN relieved the Arab nations of all responsibility for all the refugees the Arabs created by insanely asserting that all future descendants of the refugees will be considered refugees until the end of time.

How did the Arab countries get the job of cleaning up after Israel?

 

[rylah]

Very few of the so called Palestinians who are alive today have long standing ties to what is now Israel and very few were driven off. Their suffering today is very much caused by people like you who cherish it as a weapon to use against Israel. They are not exactly stateless. They are all citizens of the Palestinian Authority which operates in most important ways as a state.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Israel created no refugees, the Arab nations did, and then the UN relieved the Arab nations of all responsibility for all the refugees the Arabs created by insanely asserting that all future descendants of the refugees will be considered refugees until the end of time.

How did the Arab countries get the job of cleaning up after Israel?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Israel created no refugees, the Arab nations did, and then the UN relieved the Arab nations of all responsibility for all the refugees the Arabs created by insanely asserting that all future descendants of the refugees will be considered refugees until the end of time.

How did the Arab countries get the job of cleaning up after Israel?

Irrelevant, The reason for people leaving conflict is never mentioned in the right to return. It doesn't matter.

 

[Shusha]

Very few of the so called Palestinians who are alive today have long standing ties to what is now Israel and very few were driven off. Their suffering today is very much caused by people like you who cherish it as a weapon to use against Israel. They are not exactly stateless. They are all citizens of the Palestinian Authority which operates in most important ways as a state.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Israel created no refugees, the Arab nations did, and then the UN relieved the Arab nations of all responsibility for all the refugees the Arabs created by insanely asserting that all future descendants of the refugees will be considered refugees until the end of time.

How did the Arab countries get the job of cleaning up after Israel?

They have the job of looking after their own citizens. You know, that’s what proper nations do.

 

[rylah]

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Israel created no refugees, the Arab nations did, and then the UN relieved the Arab nations of all responsibility for all the refugees the Arabs created by insanely asserting that all future descendants of the refugees will be considered refugees until the end of time.

How did the Arab countries get the job of cleaning up after Israel?

Irrelevant, The reason for people leaving conflict is never mentioned in the right to return. It doesn't matter.

The "RoR" is a political concept rather than a legal one.
None of the Arab states and not even the Palestinian one are representing it, so why should Israel, when most of its citizens coming from the same Arab countries that called for the Arabs to leave, fall for the scheme?

Arab governments are responsible for most of the financial and property losses in this whole conflict, both for the 700,000 Arab and 1 million Jewish refugees from all over the middle east.

Compensation for Arabs could be covered for by the compensation to Israeli Jews, and the Arab govts would still own tens of billions to both sides.

 

[Hollie]

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

The Islamics starting a war in 1948 created the so-called “refugees”.

How can you start a war when you are at home?

How can you be at home when you cross a frontier to start a war?

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Zionist attack on Palestinians while they were at home.

You’re not paying attention. I was referring to the Arabs-Moslems crossing the frontier to attack Israel. If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that’s what I wrote earlier.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Very few of the so called Palestinians who are alive today have long standing ties to what is now Israel and very few were driven off. Their suffering today is very much caused by people like you who cherish it as a weapon to use against Israel. They are not exactly stateless. They are all citizens of the Palestinian Authority which operates in most important ways as a state.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Israel created no refugees, the Arab nations did, and then the UN relieved the Arab nations of all responsibility for all the refugees the Arabs created by insanely asserting that all future descendants of the refugees will be considered refugees until the end of time.

How did the Arab countries get the job of cleaning up after Israel?

Had the Arab nations not attempted to invade Israel, there would have been no 1948 refugees. You are calling for Israel to clean up the mess the Arab nations made.

 

[Hollie]

Very few of the so called Palestinians who are alive today have long standing ties to what is now Israel and very few were driven off. Their suffering today is very much caused by people like you who cherish it as a weapon to use against Israel. They are not exactly stateless. They are all citizens of the Palestinian Authority which operates in most important ways as a state.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Israel created no refugees, the Arab nations did, and then the UN relieved the Arab nations of all responsibility for all the refugees the Arabs created by insanely asserting that all future descendants of the refugees will be considered refugees until the end of time.

How did the Arab countries get the job of cleaning up after Israel?

Indeed, they never did.

Indeed it was the international community that was burdened with supplying a UN funded welfare program to clean up the mess left by Arabs-Moslems after their failed attempts to drive the Israelis into the sea.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Israel created no refugees, the Arab nations did, and then the UN relieved the Arab nations of all responsibility for all the refugees the Arabs created by insanely asserting that all future descendants of the refugees will be considered refugees until the end of time.

How did the Arab countries get the job of cleaning up after Israel?

Irrelevant, The reason for people leaving conflict is never mentioned in the right to return. It doesn't matter.

The whole issue of refugees is irrelevant since only a few are still alive and in a generation, there will be no more refugees.

 

[rylah]

Even their own leaders don't buy into the scheme...
Why should anyone else?

It's just the same way Hitler used Germans in Czechoslovakia,
the poor poor Germans, just give me that part of your country to make my Germans "free",
there will be "Peace..."

No free Germans or anyone ....just Arabs thinking they're smarter to run same scheme .

 

[Natural Citizen]

Do you mean the Palestinians or the Jews?

There's no source in the op. Again. You made no attempt whatsoever to support your claim. Yet you want me to clarify mine? Please. Any other topical content without sources would have been closed by now. In fact, I just saw one closed for just that very reason.

I think we all know which group of activists function and benefit from the luxury of designated victim status.

 

[Coyote]

Of course they are fake. No where else in the world would the grandchildren of an itinerant Egyptian farm worker who lived in what became Israel for a couple of years before fleeing from the war be called a Palestinian refugee. If Israel were not a Jewish state, the notion would have been laughed out of the UN.

Most had long standing ties in Palestine. And even for those who were not, so what? Does that alter the fact they were driven off their land and are stateless?

Very few of the so called Palestinians who are alive today have long standing ties to what is now Israel and very few were driven off. Their suffering today is very much caused by people like you who cherish it as a weapon to use against Israel. They are not exactly stateless. They are all citizens of the Palestinian Authority which operates in most important ways as a state.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Except...it isn’t that black and white.

What about the responsibility of the Arab states who are also responsible for the conditions that created the refugees?

What about the edict from the Arab League forbidding Arab States from granting citizenship to Palestinians that helped perpetrate a situation that in some cases created humanitarian disasters? It isn’t one sided. Can you the shared responibility here?

 

[Coyote]

Were they residing those countries in refugee camps?

In the case of the Palestinians, refugee camps is a propaganda term. They live just as other poor Arabs in those countries live.

Tell that to the Palestinian refugees in Syria who couldn’t flee with the Syrians.

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

There appear to be no limits to the sufferings other Arabs are willing to inflict on the so called Palestinians in their countries, but that in no way makes the grandchildren of those who left Israel in 1948 refugees.

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

 

[rylah]

In the case of the Palestinians, refugee camps is a propaganda term. They live just as other poor Arabs in those countries live.

Tell that to the Palestinian refugees in Syria who couldn’t flee with the Syrians.

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

There appear to be no limits to the sufferings other Arabs are willing to inflict on the so called Palestinians in their countries, but that in no way makes the grandchildren of those who left Israel in 1948 refugees.

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

The Islamics starting a war in 1948 created the so-called “refugees”.

How can you start a war when you are at home?

How can you be at home when you cross a frontier to start a war?

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Zionist attack on Palestinians while they were at home.

You’re not paying attention. I was referring to the Arabs-Moslems crossing the frontier to attack Israel. If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that’s what I wrote earlier.

They did not attack Israel.

 

[rylah]

The Islamics starting a war in 1948 created the so-called “refugees”.

How can you start a war when you are at home?

How can you be at home when you cross a frontier to start a war?

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Zionist attack on Palestinians while they were at home.

You’re not paying attention. I was referring to the Arabs-Moslems crossing the frontier to attack Israel. If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that’s what I wrote earlier.

They did not attack Israel.

That's exactly your Archie's ankle
Arabs never ceased to attack Israel, and now they whine for the consequences
of their own doing.

 

[Hollie]

The Islamics starting a war in 1948 created the so-called “refugees”.

How can you start a war when you are at home?

How can you be at home when you cross a frontier to start a war?

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Zionist attack on Palestinians while they were at home.

You’re not paying attention. I was referring to the Arabs-Moslems crossing the frontier to attack Israel. If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that’s what I wrote earlier.

They did not attack Israel.

Oh course they did. This was addressed for you earlier.

Look it up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Most had long standing ties in Palestine. And even for those who were not, so what? Does that alter the fact they were driven off their land and are stateless?

Very few of the so called Palestinians who are alive today have long standing ties to what is now Israel and very few were driven off. Their suffering today is very much caused by people like you who cherish it as a weapon to use against Israel. They are not exactly stateless. They are all citizens of the Palestinian Authority which operates in most important ways as a state.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Except...it isn’t that black and white.

What about the responsibility of the Arab states who are also responsible for the conditions that created the refugees?

What about the edict from the Arab League forbidding Arab States from granting citizenship to Palestinians that helped perpetrate a situation that in some cases created humanitarian disasters? It isn’t one sided. Can you the shared responibility here?

That isn't true. The Zionists planned to expel the Palestinians. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled before any Arab army entered Palestine.