Are the Palestinians a real people?

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    They, as a native population, have the exact saying rights of place as the Jewish population.

    Now I would agree that national self determination is tied to the ability live peaceably with their neighbors and create a sustainable state.

    But they have their own identity, and it is not up to you, or any one else to decide whether it is “legitimate”, it is up to them.
     
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    The indigenous Palestinians & their offspring that are Jews are indeed a real people. Long before the development of Islam & Muslims in the land who now claim to be Palestinians.
     
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    How distinct is distinct enough? And..what is the cut off...when has enough time passed for a group to be considered legitimate. The Palestinians have been in the process of creating a distinct identity for some time now, based on their heritage and more strongly defined by their conflict with the Jews, Nakbah, and a life defined as a stateless people. It has created a distinct identity that is not that of other Arabs. They have a right to it. What right do others have to delegitimize them.

    I will go back to what I said earlier and have said many times: why is it necessary to deny or marginalize the identity of Palestinians in order to promote the rights of the Jewish people? And the reverse is also true: why is it necessary to deny the rights of the Jewish people in order to support the rights of the Palestinian people, because that routinely happens as well.

    It would be good if we could start from a mutual recognition of two peoples, with rights to the same area, and work out from there, recognizing that the expression of those rights (but not the recognition) is also tied to the ability to share peaceably the same territory. And I recognize that is the framework you come from Shusha, but I do not see it in the others.
     
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    The native language for most in Israel is not Hebrew, but Yiddish, which is Germanic and not from the Mideast.
    The kippa and kova temple are not Jewish, but implementations of Old Testament rules that also include the Arab Turban. There are no gefilte fish, kugel, kishke, and cholent, native to the Mideast, and these are from the cultures of Poland, Russia, Germany, etc.
    No country should ever have religious holidays mandated by government.
    There is no country with all its people from a single religion.

    There should be no Jewish state because there should never be any religious state.
    Trying to make one is purely evil.

    The word "jihadist" mean pious, and does not mean Muslim.

    The reality is the Palestinian Arabs are the 12 million indigenous natives, going back over 8,000 years, while the Israelis Jew are 6 million mostly European immigrants.
    The Palestinian Arabs are the Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Urites, Canaanites, etc., who historically owned this land for centuries.
    It is criminal to take their homes by force, as Israel has done.
     
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    The majority of the people in the Land of Canaan have never been Jewish.
    When the Hebrew tribes first invaded around 1000 BC, they were not even close to the majority, but less than 10% of the population.
    When the Romans appointed Jews to administer Palestine for them, they picked the Jews because they were the smallest minority, and therefore the least threat.
    In 1900, when a census was conducted, there were less then 5% Jews in Palestine, which includes what is now Israel and Palestine.
    Most Israelis are recent immigrants or descendants of recent immigrants, and almost none have ever bought and paid for any land.
    Instead they are given land that has been taken by force from Palestinians Arabs.
     
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    The Jews in Israel are not the victims but the perpetrators.
    The Palestinians are not victims by choice or design, but due to the economic blockade by the Israelis.
     
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    Very simply, culture or religion has nothing at all to do with it.
    The native indigenous Palestinians simply are those who were there before the massive immigration after 1920 or so.
    That includes many ancient Arab cultures, including the Canaanites, Akkadians, Urites, Amorites, Phoenicians, Philistines, Chaldeans, Nabatians, etc. It also includes some native Hebrew.

    But none of the recent European immigrants or their descendants ever bought or paid for any of the land they possess, so they are illegal intruders who are guilty of war crimes and must be punished.

    Nationality is not the question or problem.
    Home and farm ownership is.
    And all the Israelis Jews are knowingly in possession of stolen property, and are criminals.
     
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    And besides, Palestinians are citizens of Palestine. No other people can make that claim.
     
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    Woah! That is absolutely not true!
     
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