Are the Palestinians a real people?

[P F Tinmore]

How can you start a war when you are at home?

How can you be at home when you cross a frontier to start a war?

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Zionist attack on Palestinians while they were at home.

You’re not paying attention. I was referring to the Arabs-Moslems crossing the frontier to attack Israel. If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that’s what I wrote earlier.

They did not attack Israel.

Oh course they did. This was addressed for you earlier.

Look it up.

 

[Hollie]

How can you be at home when you cross a frontier to start a war?

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Zionist attack on Palestinians while they were at home.

You’re not paying attention. I was referring to the Arabs-Moslems crossing the frontier to attack Israel. If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that’s what I wrote earlier.

They did not attack Israel.

Oh course they did. This was addressed for you earlier.

Look it up.

You managed to look it up. Now you feel foolish.

 

[toomuchtime_]

In the case of the Palestinians, refugee camps is a propaganda term. They live just as other poor Arabs in those countries live.

Tell that to the Palestinian refugees in Syria who couldn’t flee with the Syrians.

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

There appear to be no limits to the sufferings other Arabs are willing to inflict on the so called Palestinians in their countries, but that in no way makes the grandchildren of those who left Israel in 1948 refugees.

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees, but their descendants are not. This is the way it is everywhere else in the world.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Very few of the so called Palestinians who are alive today have long standing ties to what is now Israel and very few were driven off. Their suffering today is very much caused by people like you who cherish it as a weapon to use against Israel. They are not exactly stateless. They are all citizens of the Palestinian Authority which operates in most important ways as a state.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Except...it isn’t that black and white.

What about the responsibility of the Arab states who are also responsible for the conditions that created the refugees?

What about the edict from the Arab League forbidding Arab States from granting citizenship to Palestinians that helped perpetrate a situation that in some cases created humanitarian disasters? It isn’t one sided. Can you the shared responibility here?

That isn't true. The Zionists planned to expel the Palestinians. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled before any Arab army entered Palestine.

The 1948 Arab invasion of Israel failed because the Israeli military met the invading armies at the borders and drove them back. There was intense fighting in the borders and many so called Palestinians in those areas attacked Israelis in concert with the Arab armies, and when the Arab armies were forced to withdraw, these Palestinians withdrew with them and became refugees. Also some Arab villages in the South that lay in the path of an invading Egyptian army were evacuated and the Arabs fled to the Gaza Strip. In addition, some Arab villages that held strategic positions near the fighting were evacuated and those who evacuated peacefully were moved to other locations within Israel and those who violently resisted evacuation were forced to retreat out of Israel. All of this occurred in areas near the fighting and in areas away from the fighting, Arabs were actually urged to remain, as in Haifa. Abbas came from Jaffa where the Arab residents attacked the Jews and drove them out of the city and then panicked and left Israel out of fear fo retribution. There was never a plan to expel any of the Arabs, and if the Arab nations had not attacked Israel, there would have been no refugees.

 

[toastman]

How can you be at home when you cross a frontier to start a war?

Oh, I thought you were talking about the Zionist attack on Palestinians while they were at home.

You’re not paying attention. I was referring to the Arabs-Moslems crossing the frontier to attack Israel. If you were paying attention, you would have noticed that’s what I wrote earlier.

They did not attack Israel.

Oh course they did. This was addressed for you earlier.

Look it up.

As usual, your argument was dismantled and you have been backed into a corner, so all you got are emoji's. Typical Tinmore,

 

[toastman]

Arguing with Tinmore is like arguing with a 5 year old. It's so goddamn easy to make him look foolish

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The Jewish people were stateless for 3000 years. I feel this needs to be said.

Actually, since the year 70 of the Common Era, which is somewhat less than 2000.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

They speak Arabic, like in 21 other countries. They wear the keffiya and hijab, like in 21 other countries. They eat hummus and shwarma, like in 21 other countries. They celebrate Mohammed's birthday and Abraham's near sacrifice of his son, like in 21 other countries.


In Israel, they speak Hebrew. It's the only country with this national language. In Israel, they wear the kippa and kova temble. The , like in no other country. In Israel, they eat gefilte fish, kugel, kishke, and cholent, like in no other country. In Israel, the national holidays are Yom Kippur, Passover and Hanukkah. These are no other country's national holidays.

Why does Tinmore want to destroy the only Jewish state in the world to set up a 22nd jihadist state? Is this what the world really needs?

The native language for most in Israel is not Hebrew, but Yiddish, which is Germanic and not from the Mideast.
The kippa and kova temple are not Jewish, but implementations of Old Testament rules that also include the Arab Turban. There are no gefilte fish, kugel, kishke, and cholent, native to the Mideast, and these are from the cultures of Poland, Russia, Germany, etc.
No country should ever have religious holidays mandated by government.
There is no country with all its people from a single religion.

There should be no Jewish state because there should never be any religious state.
Trying to make one is purely evil.

The word "jihadist" mean pious, and does not mean Muslim.

The reality is the Palestinian Arabs are the 12 million indigenous natives, going back over 8,000 years, while the Israelis Jew are 6 million mostly European immigrants.
The Palestinian Arabs are the Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistines, Phoenicians, Urites, Canaanites, etc., who historically owned this land for centuries.
It is criminal to take their homes by force, as Israel has done.

I just returned from Israel. Everyone there speaks Hebrew. Many Eastern Jews don't speak Yiddish at all. I don't even speak Yiddish, and I'm Ashkenazi. As for the kippa, it's not even mentioned in the Torah. It's a Jewish custom. I agree that gefilte fish and kugel aren't Mideastern food. That's why it's unique to Israel. Tinmore once put up a picture of a Palestinian breakfast, but was promptly told by everyone that this breakfast is eaten throughout the Mideast. As for religious holidays, Christmas is a legal holiday in the USA. Easter Monday and Pentecost are legal holidays in many European nations. How can the Palestinians be descendants of the Canaanites when they were destroyed by the Hebrews? Many of the other nations you mentioned, like the Chaldeans or the ppl of Ur, lived in other countries, like Babylon.

In short, like Coyote said, your entire post is bizarre. And Tinmore marked it as a winner, lol!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What's that holiday the Palestinians celebrate each year to honor Ba'al?

Oops, I'm forgetting.

There isn't one.

 

[MJB12741]

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Except...it isn’t that black and white.

What about the responsibility of the Arab states who are also responsible for the conditions that created the refugees?

What about the edict from the Arab League forbidding Arab States from granting citizenship to Palestinians that helped perpetrate a situation that in some cases created humanitarian disasters? It isn’t one sided. Can you the shared responibility here?

That isn't true. The Zionists planned to expel the Palestinians. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled before any Arab army entered Palestine.

The 1948 Arab invasion of Israel failed because the Israeli military met the invading armies at the borders and drove them back. There was intense fighting in the borders and many so called Palestinians in those areas attacked Israelis in concert with the Arab armies, and when the Arab armies were forced to withdraw, these Palestinians withdrew with them and became refugees. Also some Arab villages in the South that lay in the path of an invading Egyptian army were evacuated and the Arabs fled to the Gaza Strip. In addition, some Arab villages that held strategic positions near the fighting were evacuated and those who evacuated peacefully were moved to other locations within Israel and those who violently resisted evacuation were forced to retreat out of Israel. All of this occurred in areas near the fighting and in areas away from the fighting, Arabs were actually urged to remain, as in Haifa. Abbas came from Jaffa where the Arab residents attacked the Jews and drove them out of the city and then panicked and left Israel out of fear fo retribution. There was never a plan to expel any of the Arabs, and if the Arab nations had not attacked Israel, there would have been no refugees.

Actually...according to historical records, most were driven off either from fear of conflict (as is often the case)or deliberate actions by the Jewish militias during the war.

Their suffering today is caused by a number of different factors none of which include me.

The refugees in camps outside of Gaza and the West Bank are not citizens of the PA. Most of those in Jordan were given Jordanian citizenship. Those in Lebanon were finally given the same right to work as other foreigners in 2010 after appalling conditions were revealed. A number have been given citizenship. In Syria, no citizenship or right to work. In Saudi Arabia the same. In Iraq the same I think. So yes, many are exactly stateless.

It doesn’t matter how many generations removed from Israel they are, until they are permanently settled somewhere they are still refugees. Which leads to an interesting question. There are many multigenerational refugee camps from long standing conflicts...why is it that ONLY the Palestinians get labeled “not refugees”?

None of that means there is any right of return. I don’t believe in any collective right of return. The Arab states need to do the right thing and fully absorb the refugees outside the West Bank and Gaza. The Arab league set the rule prohibiting Arab states from granting citizenship to the Palestinians, leading to atrocious conditions. They need to do the right thing.

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees also considered refugees. All wars produce refugees, but nowhere else in the world is the status of refugee inherited by future generations. The fact that other Arabs treat the so called Palestinians with cruelty and contempt does nothing to extend the status of refugee to their offspring.

Under Oslo, all so called Palestinians other than those who are Israeli citizens are considered citizens of the PA regardless where they are presently living. Calling the neighborhoods where they live refugee camps evokes images of temporary shelters, but these neighborhoods are not at all temporary and look exactly like other poor neighborhoods in the countries they live in: the term, refugee camp, is a propaganda term intended to blame Israel for the cruel treatment the Syrian and other Arab governments inflict on the Palestinians. Calling the descendants of the refugees refugees only encourage the Arab nations to continue to mistreat them and use them as pawns in their hostility toward Israel, when in fact, all the sufferings the Palestinians have gone through are the direct result of actions of the Arab nations to in their quest to defeat Israel.

Israel has always ducked the responsibility of the refugees it has created.

Except...it isn’t that black and white.

What about the responsibility of the Arab states who are also responsible for the conditions that created the refugees?

What about the edict from the Arab League forbidding Arab States from granting citizenship to Palestinians that helped perpetrate a situation that in some cases created humanitarian disasters? It isn’t one sided. Can you the shared responibility here?

That isn't true. The Zionists planned to expel the Palestinians. About 300,000 Palestinians were expelled before any Arab army entered Palestine.

The 1948 Arab invasion of Israel failed because the Israeli military met the invading armies at the borders and drove them back. There was intense fighting in the borders and many so called Palestinians in those areas attacked Israelis in concert with the Arab armies, and when the Arab armies were forced to withdraw, these Palestinians withdrew with them and became refugees. Also some Arab villages in the South that lay in the path of an invading Egyptian army were evacuated and the Arabs fled to the Gaza Strip. In addition, some Arab villages that held strategic positions near the fighting were evacuated and those who evacuated peacefully were moved to other locations within Israel and those who violently resisted evacuation were forced to retreat out of Israel. All of this occurred in areas near the fighting and in areas away from the fighting, Arabs were actually urged to remain, as in Haifa. Abbas came from Jaffa where the Arab residents attacked the Jews and drove them out of the city and then panicked and left Israel out of fear fo retribution. There was never a plan to expel any of the Arabs, and if the Arab nations had not attacked Israel, there would have been no refugees.

The Arab nations are no longer attacking Israel. They learned how costly that is in their death count. But as for Palestinians, well, that's another story.

 

[admonit]

Tell that to the Palestinian refugees in Syria who couldn’t flee with the Syrians.

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

There appear to be no limits to the sufferings other Arabs are willing to inflict on the so called Palestinians in their countries, but that in no way makes the grandchildren of those who left Israel in 1948 refugees.

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees

Not all of them. Those who settled in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were rather "internally displaced persons".

 

[Coyote]

Tell that to the Palestinian refugees in Syria who couldn’t flee with the Syrians.

Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

There appear to be no limits to the sufferings other Arabs are willing to inflict on the so called Palestinians in their countries, but that in no way makes the grandchildren of those who left Israel in 1948 refugees.

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees, but their descendants are not. This is the way it is everywhere else in the world.

Then what are they?

Refugees | United Nations

Descendants of refugees retain refugee status
Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found. Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees on this basis, a practice that has been widely accepted by the international community, including both donors and refugee hosting countries.


So why is it you don’t label the refugees of other camps and nationalities “fake”?

 

[toomuchtime_]

There appear to be no limits to the sufferings other Arabs are willing to inflict on the so called Palestinians in their countries, but that in no way makes the grandchildren of those who left Israel in 1948 refugees.

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees, but their descendants are not. This is the way it is everywhere else in the world.

Then what are they?

Refugees | United Nations

Descendants of refugees retain refugee status
Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found. Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees on this basis, a practice that has been widely accepted by the international community, including both donors and refugee hosting countries.


So why is it you don’t label the refugees of other camps and nationalities “fake”?

Nowhere else in the world are the descendants of refugees considered refugees. This is the only situation in the world in which the UN has called the descendants of refugees refugees. This is one of the ways in which the UN has made itself irrelevant to deal with issues in the ME.

 

[admonit]

There appear to be no limits to the sufferings other Arabs are willing to inflict on the so called Palestinians in their countries, but that in no way makes the grandchildren of those who left Israel in 1948 refugees.

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees, but their descendants are not. This is the way it is everywhere else in the world.

Then what are they?

They are descendants of refugees.

Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found.

According to which exactly law?
The principle of family unity has nothing to do with refugee status. Either a person is a refugee or not. It's simple.

Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees

I want to see an official UNHCR document, which confirms that descendants of refugees automatically get refugee status.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees, but their descendants are not. This is the way it is everywhere else in the world.

Then what are they?

They are descendants of refugees.

Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found.

According to which exactly law?
The principle of family unity has nothing to do with refugee status. Either a person is a refugee or not. It's simple.

Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees

I want to see an official UNHCR document, which confirms that descendants of refugees automatically get refugee status.

It only makes sense that they would be refugees. If the Parents are Palestinians with the right to live in Palestine, then the children would also be Palestinians with the right to live in Palestine. Where else would they have the right to live?

 

[Hollie]

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees, but their descendants are not. This is the way it is everywhere else in the world.

Then what are they?

They are descendants of refugees.

Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found.

According to which exactly law?
The principle of family unity has nothing to do with refugee status. Either a person is a refugee or not. It's simple.

Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees

I want to see an official UNHCR document, which confirms that descendants of refugees automatically get refugee status.

It only makes sense that they would be refugees. If the Parents are Palestinians with the right to live in Palestine, then the children would also be Palestinians with the right to live in Palestine. Where else would they have the right to live?

Generational refugees is a joke.

 

[toomuchtime_]

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees, but their descendants are not. This is the way it is everywhere else in the world.

Then what are they?

They are descendants of refugees.

Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found.

According to which exactly law?
The principle of family unity has nothing to do with refugee status. Either a person is a refugee or not. It's simple.

Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees

I want to see an official UNHCR document, which confirms that descendants of refugees automatically get refugee status.

It applies only to the descendants of 1948 refugees from Israel and not to any other refugee situation. It is the insanity on which UNRWA is based.

 

[toomuchtime_]

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees, but their descendants are not. This is the way it is everywhere else in the world.

Then what are they?

They are descendants of refugees.

Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found.

According to which exactly law?
The principle of family unity has nothing to do with refugee status. Either a person is a refugee or not. It's simple.

Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees

I want to see an official UNHCR document, which confirms that descendants of refugees automatically get refugee status.

It only makes sense that they would be refugees. If the Parents are Palestinians with the right to live in Palestine, then the children would also be Palestinians with the right to live in Palestine. Where else would they have the right to live?

lol You appear to have an inexhaustible supply of bullshit to draw from. There is no other refugee situation in the world in which the UN has adopted this insanity.

 

[Shusha]

[
Then what are they?

Refugees | United Nations

Descendants of refugees retain refugee status
Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found. Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees on this basis, a practice that has been widely accepted by the international community, including both donors and refugee hosting countries.


So why is it you don’t label the refugees of other camps and nationalities “fake”?

The key is in the "durable solution" part.

UNRWA changed the definition of "refugee" specifically for Palestinian peoples. It creates an endless generational definition with no durable solution. There is no way for descendants of those who were uprooted in 1948 to stop being refugees. And their children and their children. Because the definition doesn't permit it.

If we were to adopt a more reasonable definition of "refugee" for the Palestinians, one that was aligned with all other refugee populations -- and we should -- we would see that there are no Palestinian refugees. Rather than the highest refugee population in the world, Palestinians refugee population would be non-existent.

The durable solutions are: repatriation, resettlement and integration in a host country.

1. All Palestinians who have the ability to avail themselves of another nationality have been resettled and are no longer refugees.
2. All Palestinians who remain within the international borders of Palestine are internally displaced persons and not refugees.

If we were to stop here, the number of remaining Palestinian refugees would be:

430,000 in Lebanon
120,000 in Jordan without Jordanian citizenship
520,000 in Syria without Syrian citizenship

I would argue that those populations have already been locally integrated in the host country and should be given citizenship by the host country, thus resolving their status as refugees.

This leaves only 430,000 Palestinian refugees living in Lebanon.

HOWEVER, I would not stop here.

If Palestine wants to be seen and treated as a State, then it should be seen and treated as a State. It has a government and that government should be made responsible for its own citizens. Therefore, all people who are eligible for Palestinian citizenship, ARE Palestinian citizens and therefore, not refugees. There is no reason for them not to be able to be repatriated.

 

[rylah]

There appear to be no limits to the sufferings other Arabs are willing to inflict on the so called Palestinians in their countries, but that in no way makes the grandchildren of those who left Israel in 1948 refugees.

What exactly are they?

They are citizens of the Palestinian Authority living in other countries. Calling them refugees is just a way of continuing the conflict by raising impossible hopes. Not every problem has a good solution.

Link showing they have citizenship.

Why are Palestinians uniquely labeled “fake refugees” but refugees in other camps are not? It looks suspiciously like a double standard.

The Arabs who left Israel during the War of Independence are refugees, but their descendants are not. This is the way it is everywhere else in the world.

Then what are they?

Refugees | United Nations

Descendants of refugees retain refugee status
Under international law and the principle of family unity, the children of refugees and their descendants are also considered refugees until a durable solution is found. Both UNRWA and UNHCR recognize descendants as refugees on this basis, a practice that has been widely accepted by the international community, including both donors and refugee hosting countries.


So why is it you don’t label the refugees of other camps and nationalities “fake”?

Because no other refugees get the same privileges.

• No refugees have special rules, to allow citizens remain their refugee status
• No refugees run and employ their own organizations in the UN
• No refugees use aid to prolong the status and incite conflict
• No refugees both make it into a multi generational business, or receive anywhere the same budget for their political group:

No refugees run such schemes.