are liberals REALLY liberal?

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  1. Liberty
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    i think most liberals see their ideology as one based on emotion...things like kindness, and tolerant, and open minded...while they see conservatives as the opposite. They don't care much for economics or logical discussion because they are ALWAYS defeated in debate. No one can trump the likes of hazlitt or sowell when it comes to economic understanding.

    So, libs...do you really think this?
    Let's see: http://www.prageru.com/test
     
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    I don't know if modern American liberalism is based on emotion as much as a world view of compassion or virtue coupled with a desire for central power to fix whatever needs fixing. In order to have that central power, the Founders' principles of unalienable rights and self governance have to be denigrated, discredited, and squelched.

    That is why the Tea Party have been labeled wingnuts, idiots, uneducated, racist, and more recently the phrase to use in leftwing talking points seems to be 'terrorist'. The Tea Party wants to decentralize some of the Federal government and put the people back in charge of their own destinies. That is anathema to the modern liberal point of view.

    That is an excellent questionnaire to identify ideology however. No leading questions at all and very straight forward and honest. The only one I had trouble with was on the foreign wars thing and would have preferred an either/or definition but otherwise no criicism of how the questions are phrased. They should be equally acceptable to those on the left and right.
     
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    From the looks of it, the questions are simply broad generalizations which ask someone to agree or disagree with them. Not a very good test.
     
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    Being tolerant is one thing, believing the government should not be able to tell you who you can marry and what you should do with your body is another.
     
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    My score was: You’re a conservative with perhaps a couple of liberal views.

    Probably because I don't really give a rip if gays marry and I believe abortion is entirely appropriate in the case of rape or incest.

    I think the Tea Party is misunderstood or labeled for reasons, other than those you suggest. I have posted a question here and on other boards about what your specific solutions etc... would be for our country's problems, what you want etc...
    I also asked why so many people would absolutely refute things that are obvious to everyone else - like Michelle Bachmann lied quite a bit or was wrong about the whole FF's abolished slavery thing. Why not just say "Okay well, she's not our only candidate" or "Well everyone makes mistakes" or whatever?
    The responses were overwhelmingly filled with anger and accusations that I was some kind of "secret agent liberal" (what? am I gonna come getcha???).

    So other than some catchy bumper sticker slogans, it seems that 90% of the TP seems to know only a few things:

    Obama sucks (I agree with this)
    Obama is to blame for all problems in the universe (I obviously don't agree)
    All Tea Party candidates are always right about everything

    So the fact that only 10% actually seems able to address specific issues etc... makes it difficult to understand or appreciate the TP and their positions.
     
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    Modern American Liberalism (i.e. the Pelosi/Reid's) are NOT JFK Liberalism.

    The whole concept of Liberalism has evolved dramatically since the early 60s - it's something completely different today.

    No freaking way. JFK today would be a Conservative.

    Can you imagine a war hero/"guy with balls" like JFK being proud to be on the same playing field with nut-less Harry Reid? How about Waxman, Kucinich, or some of these other modern-day Liberals.

    One would have to be completely insane to imagine JFK taking these assholes seriously.

    Imagine these words of a 1960s-era Liberal, coming out of Obama's (today's Liberal) mouth -

    A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living. Today's military rejects include tomorrow's hard-core unemployed.

    And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.

    Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both. (this should scorch a few Liberal asses here)

    Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men.

    I am not the Catholic candidate for President. I am the Democratic Party's candidate for President, who happens also to be a Catholic.

    I look forward to a great future for America - a future in which our country will match its military strength with our moral restraint, its wealth with our wisdom, its power with our purpose.

    Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom.

    Mothers all want their sons to grow up to be president, but they don't want them to become politicians in the process.

    The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all. (How many of you asswipes voted for Obama?)

    JFK - OUTSTANDING 2010s-era Conservative.


    I am sure this will en-flame the usual douchebags.
     
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    I like this one better.
    The Political Compass - Test

    Most tests I take, I score to left and towards the libertarian or anachronism side, depending on the wording of the results.
     
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    That test seemed like it wants to get a mailing list for some sort of political reason. LOL
     
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    Lots of loaded questions in that quiz.
     
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    Bingo! Modern "Liberalism" (as distinguished from the classical variety), is, first and foremost, statist in its approach. It believes in the primacy of the state (well, so long as "virtuous" liberals control the state), under what might be termed "the guardianship of the elite" (which, naturally, means themselves). This is a philosophy that is arrogant and presumptuous, and naive, all at once; it actually not only believes it can alter fundamental human nature; it believes that it alone can do so, with an all-knowing, all powerful government as its tool of choice. If this sounds like a quasi-religion that sees the state as a sort of "god" , it is because that is pretty close to what it actually is, or at least, would like to be; god-like, with a monopoly on knowledge, all virtue and power, "benignly" ruling over the unwashed, unlettered, uncaring masses (that would be the rest of us). If this sounds like Karl Marx's version of "the dictatorship of the proletariat", well, that was the inspiration for it; these are the spiritual heirs of the "New Left" of the sixties, a lot that was and mostly remains Marxist to the core in its belief system. I suspect the old style liberals of the thirties, forties and fifties would be horrified, at the notion that this group has co-opted "liberalism" for itself. This used to be the lunatic fringe, hovering on the margins of power, until it actually managed to obtain some; it always has been a shrill, strident, minority which preferred demonizing its opponents to debating them, hence its love of canard (like "Nazi", "racist", "extremist" and now, "terrorist"). Why riot in the street (didn't work anyway) when you can stand on the sidelines and throw emotionally loaded words instead of Molotov cocktails?

    I find it ironic that they style themselves as the "intellectual elite". No matter how many degrees you have, or where you got them, if you haven't the common sense to get out of the rain, all you are is an educated fool. I've met quite a few (they can often be found roaming the Ivy-covered halls of academia) with a jumble of letters behind their names, and a jumble of half-baked ideas in an otherwise oblivious mind. It is a sorry thing to behold.
     

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