Any of your liberal historical geniuses ever hear of the "Killing Fields?"

[teapartysamurai]

Whose taxes do you want to raise to pay for staying in Iraq?

That's pretty laughable considering Obama spent more in his first four months in office than Bush did in seven years in Iraq.

 

[Ravi]

You guys are proving me right.

You just don't want to deal with the central point.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH VIETNAM OR IRAQ!

So, trying to change the subject to what America did wrong in EITHER Vietnam or Iraq ISN'T GOING TO GET AROUND THE 500 LB GORILLA IN THE ROOM.

Doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong.

What matters is WE ARE THERE, whether you like it or not.

And you can't just pull the rug out and leave!

Vietnam and Cambodia taught us what happens when you do.

And now Obama wishes to repeat that same collosal error that will likely kill more millions.

Notice NONE of you people on the left want to address that, BECAUSE YOU DON'T GIVE A DAMN HOW MANY IRAQIS WILL DIE.

All you care about is your hatred for Bush.

You really make it clear the narcissistic evil that lies at the central core of leftism.

I could tell people this is true of the left, but they would not believe me.

You lefties make the case for me. Thank you for your efforts.

Hey, twit, why don't you risk your life and go over to Iraq to protect people from whatever?

Oh, of course you won't, you'd rather our soldiers die for that.

Bitch.

You'd rather that our soldiers who have already died, die for nothing!

And then add more deaths to that from innocent people left to suffer at the hands of those we fought to defeat.

It would be like us just leaving Germany after WWII and ignoring the fact they reopened the death camps to kill more Jews.

"We shouldn't have been there in the first place." Is NOT an answer to turning such a completely blind eye to that reality.

They did die for nothing. Letting more of them die would be outrageous.

There are plenty of Christian missionaries in Iraq. Since you are so concerned about the Iraqis, and since you claim Christians are superior, why aren't you over there preaching the Gospel of Jesus?

Oh, yeah, because you're a hypocritical bitch that doesn't care about the Iraqis except as a political tool.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Breaking: The Cold War is over, we won! Cold War Dinosaurs! Iraq for the Iraqis!!

This what is called Post-History, and the Age of Information, including for Libyans and even Afhanistan! Let the smart people like Obama and NATO take care of of it, and stfu dittoheads....

Apparently, this is code for:

"You old people don't know what you are talking about! You are stuck in the Cold War!"

Considering this op has nothing to do with the Cold War, that's pretty pathetic.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Um, er, what does that have to do with the OP?

It has to do with the idiot OP's fake concern over millions dying in foreign conflicts.

Oh, get this. My concern is "fake."

You lefties really know you are losing the debate on this, don't you?

Now you have to smear the op, because you know you can't defeat the op.

You're claiming that the Cambodian genocide occurred because we left Cambodia too soon.

We were never in Cambodia (other than some across border actions going after the NVA).

Again, your premise is shit.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Why were we there in the first place? What was the justification, in terms of vital national security interests, for us to ever be in Vietnam?

See what I mean?

All they are going to do is argue why we shouldn't be in Vietnam blah blah blah.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

What matters is you can't just LEAVE once you DO become involved in a country.

That is the subject one of you lefties want to address.

Cambodia and Vietnam are two different countries in case you missed that geography lesson.

Hellooooooooooooooooooooo idiot!

There is a REASON Nixon bombed Cambodia.

There is a REASON Pol Pot took over in Cambodia ONCE the US pulled out of Vietnam.

Do you know the reasons for this?

I bet a dime, you don't.

Thank you for proving the point, that not only do the left not learn from history. They don't even KNOW history, nor care to learn.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Breaking: The Cold War is over, we won! Cold War Dinosaurs! Iraq for the Iraqis!!

This what is called Post-History, and the Age of Information, including for Libyans and even Afhanistan! Let the smart people like Obama and NATO take care of of it, and stfu dittoheads....

Apparently, this is code for:

"You old people don't know what you are talking about! You are stuck in the Cold War!"

Considering this op has nothing to do with the Cold War, that's pretty pathetic.

You brought up our troop presence in Germany. Why are we still there?

 

[teapartysamurai]

1. Do you understand that wars cost American lives and billions of dollars? Anyone ever mention that to you?

2. Why ARE we still in Germany and Japan, at great expense?

3. Barack Obama is carrying out the Bush plan for withdrawal from Iraq.

4. Nixon got us out of Vietnam. Take it up with his corpse if you think that was wrong.

Wrong.

We left Vietnam when the Democrat Congress took advantage of Nixon's Watergate problems to pull all future funding for Vietnam while.

Again, as I say it doesn't matter whether we should have gone to Vietnam, or Iraq.

What matters NOW is Vietnam is a lesson from history about what happens, when you just suddenly leave.

None of you libs want to address that because YOU DON'T CARE.

You don't care how many people will die.

You only care about your hatred for Bush and your support of Obama.

This thread, makes that quite clear.

Conservatarians look at Vietnam and think the lesson is that we shouldn't leave.

Those who live in 2011 and are capable of an ounce of reflection look at Vietnam and realize that the lesson is: We shouldn't go there in the first place.

Nice attempt to change the subject.

I told you. It doesn't matter whether you agree we should have got involved or not.

I certainly agree with you in this. If we aren't going to be invested in the long haul, we should not get involved at all.

HOWEVER, if the prior admin has got us involved, whether you agree with that involvement or NOT. . . There it is, WE ARE INVOLVED.

What do you do then? Do you just pull out in a fit of pique as Obama is doing, little caring for the aftermath?

Do you care to look at the damage it will do the country in the long run or do you realize you can't just pull out, once involved?

 

[Sallow]

After Tet, when we inflicted one of the worst military defeats on our enemy in the history of warfare, Cronkite and the LMSM called it for the NVA. That's what lost Vietnam for us. A LMSM sympathetic to people killing our soldiers.

Thankfully, I lived to see the destruction of the LMSM media monopoly.

Bullshit.

The Vietnamese fought the Chinese, Japanese, French and just about everyone else that tried to make them a colony.

They were never going to accept foreign rule.

Ever.

They lost Tet

Stop deflecting.

Tet was a supreme US military victory! We totally crushed an enemy surprise attack and you guys called it for the North.

And?

The US continued to battle them for years after Tet. It wasn't a convential war that involved taking and holding ground. They weren't going to stop fighting and it would have taken a complete genocide to win. We came pretty damn close to doing that. Vietnam is one of the ugliest chapters in American history. Millions were killed.

For what?

 

[francoHFW]

Breaking: The Cold War is over, we won! Cold War Dinosaurs! Iraq for the Iraqis!!

This what is called Post-History, and the Age of Information, including for Libyans and even Afhanistan! Let the smart people like Obama and NATO take care of of it, and stfu dittoheads....

Apparently, this is code for:

"You old people don't know what you are talking about! You are stuck in the Cold War!"

Considering this op has nothing to do with the Cold War, that's pretty pathetic.

The killing fields and Vietnam have nothing to do with the Cold War- That's a good one.

I'm 60- I'm saying Pub dupes are morons, and always have been...Leave gov't to the intelligent, not Pub chickenhawks...

 

[teapartysamurai]

How finally ended Pol Pot's regime, TPS?

Do you know?

What has how Pol Pot ended have to do with what let him EVER come to power in the first place?

That's just an attempt to deflect from the central point because you lefties know you really can't argue it did happen JUST as I said it did.

But keep trying lefties.

You are just making it clear how unable you are to really argue around this chilling reality.

You didn't tell us how this military action in Cambodia would have worked exactly.

What has that got to do with it?

Did NIXON BOMB CAMBODIA???????

Yes??????????

Why did he do it?

You won't answer that question, because you know how it damages YOUR argument.

 

[Sallow]

See what I mean?

All they are going to do is argue why we shouldn't be in Vietnam blah blah blah.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

What matters is you can't just LEAVE once you DO become involved in a country.

That is the subject one of you lefties want to address.

Cambodia and Vietnam are two different countries in case you missed that geography lesson.

Hellooooooooooooooooooooo idiot!

There is a REASON Nixon bombed Cambodia.

There is a REASON Pol Pot took over in Cambodia ONCE the US pulled out of Vietnam.

Do you know the reasons for this?

I bet a dime, you don't.

Thank you for proving the point, that not only do the left not learn from history. They don't even KNOW history, nor care to learn.

You really need to pick up a history book.

 

[teapartysamurai]

lol.....who would have guessed that teapeespam was a commie lover.

See what I mean? They can't even begin to think. It's easier to just hate Bush.

There are plenty of Christian missionaries in Iraq. Since you are so concerned about the Iraqis, and since you claim Christians are superior, why aren't you over there preaching the Gospel of Jesus?

Oh, yeah, because you're a hypocritical bitch that doesn't care about the Iraqis except as a political tool.

Or maybe because you know you are losing the subject, and are becoming hysterically shrill in your attempt to change the subject.

When a liberal is losing this is what they do.

Start screaming accusations, and make personal attacks, hoping I will fall for it, and start screaming back.

Pathetic on your part Ravi, and quite obviously desperate.

 

[Ravi]

DOESN'T MATTER.

That isn't what this thread is about.

It's about how the US can't just up and leave after getting involved with a country.

It costs millions of lives.

And don't get on your high horse and tell me about how we shouldn't have gone to Iraq or Vietnam.

OBAMA IS DOING IT AGAIN WITH UGANDA AND I DON'T HEAR A SYLLABLE FROM YOU HYPOCRITICAL LIBS!

You should be raving against Bush you stupid bitch.

We can certainly leave a country that we never should have invaded before any more of our soldiers are killed.

Thank you for proving me right.

You don't care about the historical precedent.

You don't care that history teaches us what will happen if we just pull out of Iraq.

You don't care.

It's only about your irrational and narcissistic hatred of Bush.

That's all it's about with you.

Thank you for proving my point.

Come to think of it, we were partially in the Iraq mess because Poppa Bush pulled out without finishing off Saddam. Now where were you then? Quiet as a mouse.

Using your logic, we can blame the first Bush for all the deaths of Americans during Dubya's invasion.



There are plenty of Christian missionaries in Iraq. Since you are so concerned about the Iraqis, and since you claim Christians are superior, why aren't you over there preaching the Gospel of Jesus?

Oh, yeah, because you're a hypocritical bitch that doesn't care about the Iraqis except as a political tool.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Does the OP then believe that over the past 20 years the US should have intervened in the Congo, in the Sudan, and in Rwanda,

at great cost and loss of American life, to try to militarily prevent the milliions of deaths that have in fact occurred in our absence?

Yes or no.

Desperate to change the subject!

This tactic is called the "20 questions tactic."

When you know you are losing, start asking questions, until you find something you HOPE will put the op on the defensive.

This isn't about whether or not we should or should NOT invade a country.

It's about what we should do ONCE WE ARE THERE FOR GOOD OR FOR ILL.

The fact is, WE ARE IN IRAQ WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.

So, that being established we stop asking why we are there, and start asking HOW DO WE LEAVE?

Do we just bail as we did in Vietnam, with the last chopper taking off from the American compound and Hasta La Vista baby to the remaining Vietnamese and Cambodians who can't get out?

Do we leave them to just die?

Do we HAVE some responsibility to those people since we DID invade?

You won't answer those questions because you would have to THINK to do so.

You don't want to think. It's much easier to just hate Bush.

So you think we should keep our troops there and allow them to be tried under Islamic law for any purported crimes?

Show me your evidence that this will be the result of a more logical approach to Iraq.

 

[Mad Scientist]

JFK wanted to get out of Vietnam but the Military Industrial Complex blew his head off. Looking back, it seems to me that Vietnam was a 10 plus year money making opportunity for Politically connected Military Contractors, nothing more.

I can't blame what happened there on the Liberals for wanting to get out of Vietnam.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Wrong.

We left Vietnam when the Democrat Congress took advantage of Nixon's Watergate problems to pull all future funding for Vietnam while.

Again, as I say it doesn't matter whether we should have gone to Vietnam, or Iraq.

What matters NOW is Vietnam is a lesson from history about what happens, when you just suddenly leave.

None of you libs want to address that because YOU DON'T CARE.

You don't care how many people will die.

You only care about your hatred for Bush and your support of Obama.

This thread, makes that quite clear.

Conservatarians look at Vietnam and think the lesson is that we shouldn't leave.

Those who live in 2012 and are capable of an ounce of reflection look at Vietnam and realize that the lesson is: We shouldn't go there in the first place.

The Right looks for any excuse they can find to force the US to pour more and more money down the rathole of militarism, in the name of 'defense'.

Or rather the left look for any excuse to scream shrill accusations at conservatives, rather than deal with facts and reality.

The reality is, we ARE in Iraq.

I find it interesting none of you lefties wnat to really address what will happen if we just up and leave.

 

[Ravi]

Breaking: The Cold War is over, we won! Cold War Dinosaurs! Iraq for the Iraqis!!

This what is called Post-History, and the Age of Information, including for Libyans and even Afhanistan! Let the smart people like Obama and NATO take care of of it, and stfu dittoheads....

Apparently, this is code for:

"You old people don't know what you are talking about! You are stuck in the Cold War!"

Considering this op has nothing to do with the Cold War, that's pretty pathetic.

You brought up our troop presence in Germany. Why are we still there?

The funny thing is, teapeespam doesn't know how much of a fool she looks. She'll trot off from the thread eventually thinking she "won" the internets.

 

[8537]

You guys are proving me right.

You just don't want to deal with the central point.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH VIETNAM OR IRAQ!

So, trying to change the subject to what America did wrong in EITHER Vietnam or Iraq ISN'T GOING TO GET AROUND THE 500 LB GORILLA IN THE ROOM.

Doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong.

What matters is WE ARE THERE, whether you like it or not.

And you can't just pull the rug out and leave!

Vietnam and Cambodia taught us what happens when you do.

And now Obama wishes to repeat that same collosal error that will likely kill more millions.

Notice NONE of you people on the left want to address that, BECAUSE YOU DON'T GIVE A DAMN HOW MANY IRAQIS WILL DIE.

All you care about is your hatred for Bush.

You really make it clear the narcissistic evil that lies at the central core of leftism.

I could tell people this is true of the left, but they would not believe me.

You lefties make the case for me. Thank you for your efforts.

Hey, twit, why don't you risk your life and go over to Iraq to protect people from whatever?

Oh, of course you won't, you'd rather our soldiers die for that.

Bitch.

You'd rather that our soldiers who have already died, die for nothing!

I'd rather that we quit sending our soldiers to die in some vain attempt to justify the soldiers we already sent to die.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What has how Pol Pot ended have to do with what let him EVER come to power in the first place?

That's just an attempt to deflect from the central point because you lefties know you really can't argue it did happen JUST as I said it did.

But keep trying lefties.

You are just making it clear how unable you are to really argue around this chilling reality.

You didn't tell us how this military action in Cambodia would have worked exactly.

What has that got to do with it?

Did NIXON BOMB CAMBODIA???????

Yes??????????

Why did he do it?

You won't answer that question, because you know how it damages YOUR argument.

We bombed Cambodia because North Vietnam was using it against us and the South.

Now tell us how a military operation by the US would have prevented the Cambodian genocide.

And tell us specifically how that would have worked.

 

[Ravi]

See what I mean? They can't even begin to think. It's easier to just hate Bush.

There are plenty of Christian missionaries in Iraq. Since you are so concerned about the Iraqis, and since you claim Christians are superior, why aren't you over there preaching the Gospel of Jesus?

Oh, yeah, because you're a hypocritical bitch that doesn't care about the Iraqis except as a political tool.

Or maybe because you know you are losing the subject, and are becoming hysterically shrill in your attempt to change the subject.

When a liberal is losing this is what they do.

Start screaming accusations, and make personal attacks, hoping I will fall for it, and start screaming back.

Pathetic on your part Ravi, and quite obviously desperate.

You can't answer a single question, can you? Just keep repeating the same stupid things over and over and over again.

It's what we've all come to expect from you. Even those on the "right."