Anti-gunners have to explain these cases .......

[Hollie]

Uh, here's the thing. None of these people have been convicted of anything. If you are requiring a bail for a crime, you are essentially penalizing poverty, as the affluent criminals will be able to post bail and the non-affluent will not.

Pre-trial incarceration should ONLY be for people who are an immediate danger to someone else, and that is what the current law calls for. If you are going to lock someone up before you've secured a conviction, you should be able to prove they are actually dangerous.

Innocent until proven guilty? What a crazy idea?

Uh, here's the thing, Bail is a tool to impose some measure of accountability. It's the typical leftist talking point that goes, ''requiring a bail for a crime, you are essentially penalizing poverty''. Um, no. Bail us collateral intended to guarantee an appearance in court by the person arrested for a crime.

Um, yeah. The problem with the leftist ideoligy is that criminals are to be protected and coddled while the crime victim is abandoned.



Here we see the result of leftist coddling of criminals.

The truth: 43% of people let go with no bail on a serious charge in NYC were rearrested — the ‘reform’ is a disaster

Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins and other politicians who voted for the disastrous New York bail-reform laws keep quoting a “study” that claims only 2% of defendants released under th…

nypost.com

 

[Hollie]

Sounds like we have a problem in determining who to lock up... gee. Maybe instead of making bail a for profit industry, we can actually make determinations about who is actually dangerous and who isn't.

We, (leftist DA's), certainly do have a problem determining who to lock up, even determining what crimes are crimes at all. The results are pretty obvious. Left wing Hell Holes are nearly unliveable.


‘We Will Not Prosecute’: Left-Wing Prosecutors, Many Backed By Soros Cash, Implement Soft-On-Crime Policies Across America"

• Left-wing prosecutors overseeing Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia and San Francisco have embraced soft-on-crime approaches, a Daily Caller News Foundation review found.
• Several top district attorneys vowed not to prosecute specific crimes as a matter of policy.
• Multiple analyses have shown left-wing prosecutors dropping or diverting more charges than their predecessors.
• Super PACs backed by billionaire George Soros are major funders for several left-wing prosecutors taking soft-on-crime approaches.

 

[maybelooking]

The thread premise is a lie.

No one is 'anti-gun.'

one of the best attempts at hijacking a thread I have seen around here.

nice!!!

 

[JoeB131]

Uh, here's the thing, Bail is a tool to impose some measure of accountability. It's the typical leftist talking point that goes, ''requiring a bail for a crime, you are essentially penalizing poverty''. Um, no. Bail us collateral intended to guarantee an appearance in court by the person arrested for a crime.

Sounds like a good reason to get rid of it. Frankly, a lot of people make money off of it, does it make us any safer?

Here we see the result of leftist coddling of criminals.

You believe anything you read in the NY Post?

Let's get real here. We have crime because we have poverty. Penalizing poor people for being poor isn't a strategy, when the murderer can raise bail money, but the turnstyle jumper can't.

We, (leftist DA's), certainly do have a problem determining who to lock up, even determining what crimes are crimes at all. The results are pretty obvious. Left wing Hell Holes are nearly unliveable.

Oh, noes, you mean we are treating poor people of color like white people now, who commit minor offenses?

 

[Hollie]

Sounds like a good reason to get rid of it. Frankly, a lot of people make money off of it, does it make us any safer?



You believe anything you read in the NY Post?

Let's get real here. We have crime because we have poverty. Penalizing poor people for being poor isn't a strategy, when the murderer can raise bail money, but the turnstyle jumper can't.



Oh, noes, you mean we are treating poor people of color like white people now, who commit minor offenses?

Odd. I guess the leftist tactic of coddling criminals is to just ignore crime and hope it just goes away.

Madman seen smashing NYC McDonald’s with an ax is released without bail

Michael Palacios was arraigned on fourth-degree criminal-mischief and possession-of-weapons charges.

www.google.com

An accused jilted madman who flew into an ax-wielding rage at a Lower East Side McDonald’s was released without bail at his arraignment, authorities said Sunday.


Seems, you know, a real shame to impose bail.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Odd. I guess the leftist tactic of coddling criminals is to just ignore crime and hope it just goes away.

Incel Joe and its kind don't want crime to go away. They are explicitly on the side if criminals, and against the side of human beings.

 

[JoeB131]

Odd. I guess the leftist tactic of coddling criminals is to just ignore crime and hope it just goes away.


An accused jilted madman who flew into an ax-wielding rage at a Lower East Side McDonald’s was released without bail at his arraignment, authorities said Sunday.

Not sure why you think the NY POst is a good source. Also, your link doesn't go anywhere.

I'm willing to bet that this man had a LONG history of mental health problems that went unaddressed through his life.

You see, this is where you Conservatives are kind of funny. You've spent the last forty years slashing mental health treatment for the public, and then you wonder why people go off like this.

So here's a crazy idea. Let's make it easy for people to get mental health treatment and HARD for them to get weapons.

@Joe and its kind don't want crime to go away. They are explicitly on the side if criminals, and against the side of human beings.

Hey, guy, everyone is a human being... even Mormons.

The funny thing is, you go to bed at night with a full belly and a warm house and when you get sick, you know you can see a doctor.

 

[2aguy]

Not sure why you think the NY POst is a good source. Also, your link doesn't go anywhere.

I'm willing to bet that this man had a LONG history of mental health problems that went unaddressed through his life.

You see, this is where you Conservatives are kind of funny. You've spent the last forty years slashing mental health treatment for the public, and then you wonder why people go off like this.

So here's a crazy idea. Let's make it easy for people to get mental health treatment and HARD for them to get weapons.



Hey, guy, everyone is a human being... even Mormons.

The funny thing is, you go to bed at night with a full belly and a warm house and when you get sick, you know you can see a doctor.

You've spent the last forty years slashing mental health treatment for the public, and then you wonder why people go off like this.

No....the left spent the last 40 years telling us the mentally ill deserve to run free no matter how helpless or dangerous they are....you guys fought to get the hospitals closed and to send the mentally ill onto the streets...

 

[Hollie]

Not sure why you think the NY POst is a good source. Also, your link doesn't go anywhere.

I'm willing to bet that this man had a LONG history of mental health problems that went unaddressed through his life.

You see, this is where you Conservatives are kind of funny. You've spent the last forty years slashing mental health treatment for the public, and then you wonder why people go off like this.

So here's a crazy idea. Let's make it easy for people to get mental health treatment and HARD for them to get weapons.



Hey, guy, everyone is a human being... even Mormons.

The funny thing is, you go to bed at night with a full belly and a warm house and when you get sick, you know you can see a doctor.

Obviously, you need conspiracy theories as a soothing balm for your tender, injured sensibilities.

In the upside down world of the far left, no bail for whack jobs slashing through a McDonalds is the natural order of things. Just another example of the insanity that defines the whacked out left.

I’m willing to bet that if the fellow with a hatchet did have mental health problems, that would be the perfect excuse for the left to ignore considering the safety of the general public and simply turn him loose to allow him another try.

It’s the left that wants to slash mental health care and confinement for the mentally I’ll so just leave them on the street.

The lefty paradise of Portland:

Laurelhurst residents pressure Portland city lawyers to remove homeless camp near the park

After over a year of sweeps and returns, fed-up Laurelhurst residents are now trying to take matters into their own hands.

www.opb.org

Los Angeles:

Fear of falling into homelessness is urgent threat for many L.A. voters, new poll finds

L.A. voters want the government to focus on shelter for homeless people living in the streets, even if those efforts are short term, a poll has found.

www.latimes.com

It’s just a party in leftist paradises.

 

[JoeB131]

You've spent the last forty years slashing mental health treatment for the public, and then you wonder why people go off like this.

No....the left spent the last 40 years telling us the mentally ill deserve to run free no matter how helpless or dangerous they are....you guys fought to get the hospitals closed and to send the mentally ill onto the streets...

You mean ending mental hospitals where the mentally ill were warehoused under inhumane conditions?

Um.. yeah. I hope that decent people were against that.

What they should have been replaced with were outpatient programs. Instead, we got tax cuts for rich people.

Trump has Tried to Slash Funds for Mental Health Care Despite Post-Shooting Rhetoric | NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness

NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental Illness, is the nation’s largest grassroots mental health organization dedicated to building better lives for the millions of Americans affected by mental illness.

www.nami.org

While President Donald Trump has long attempted to link mass shootings to mental health issues, he has simultaneously proposed budgets that would strip hundreds of billions from Medicaid, the country's largest payer of behavioral health services.

As he has done after past mass shootings—for example, the Thousand Oaks, California shooting in November; the Parkland, Florida shooting in February 2018 and the Sutherland Springs, Texas shooting in November 2017, for example—Trump blamed mental illness during his remarks Monday about two killing sprees that occurred over the weekend.

Yet Trump has sought to slash vast amounts of money from Medicaid in his budget proposals since taking office, despite previously promising not to cut the program's funding. In March, he proposed slashing almost $1.5 trillion from projected Medicaid spending.


Those Dressage Horses aren't going to buy themselves!!!!

 

[JoeB131]

Obviously, you need conspiracy theories as a soothing balm for your tender, injured sensibilities.

In the upside down world of the far left, no bail for whack jobs slashing through a McDonalds is the natural order of things. Just another example of the insanity that defines the whacked out left.

I’m willing to bet that if the fellow with a hatchet did have mental health problems, that would be the perfect excuse for the left to ignore considering the safety of the general public and simply turn him loose to allow him another try.

Or that all he did was damage property, which is why they didn't give him a high bail amount.

The leftist natural order of things is that we'd have universal health care that would include mental health treatment.

The Rightwing natural order is to not get this man treatment, but make it easy for him to get a gun. Because he's part of a well-regulated militia or something.

It’s the left that wants to slash mental health care and confinement for the mentally I’ll so just leave them on the street.

Then why is it the right that keeps slashing programs?

Trump has Tried to Slash Funds for Mental Health Care Despite Post-Shooting Rhetoric | NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness

NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental Illness, is the nation’s largest grassroots mental health organization dedicated to building better lives for the millions of Americans affected by mental illness.

www.nami.org

Abbott calls Texas school shooting a mental health issue but cut state spending for it

While such programs require more funding, they wouldn't eliminate the need for gun control, experts said.

www.nbcnews.com

Check out which states don't spend that much on mental health... Yup, it's mostly the red states.

 

[Hollie]

Or that all he did was damage property, which is why they didn't give him a high bail amount.

The leftist natural order of things is that we'd have universal health care that would include mental health treatment.

The Rightwing natural order is to not get this man treatment, but make it easy for him to get a gun. Because he's part of a well-regulated militia or something.



Then why is it the right that keeps slashing programs?

Trump has Tried to Slash Funds for Mental Health Care Despite Post-Shooting Rhetoric | NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness

NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental Illness, is the nation’s largest grassroots mental health organization dedicated to building better lives for the millions of Americans affected by mental illness.

www.nami.org

Abbott calls Texas school shooting a mental health issue but cut state spending for it

While such programs require more funding, they wouldn't eliminate the need for gun control, experts said.

www.nbcnews.com

Check out which states don't spend that much on mental health... Yup, it's mostly the red states.

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Yeah. Swinging a hatchet in a public place, assault and battery. No big deal in the alternate reality of leftism.

Although, it seems you somehow don’t know the facts.

Video: NYC man rampages at people with hatchet in McDonald's

A man was arrested after he punched multiple people and used a hatchet to smash a glass partition and tables in the restaurant on Friday.

americanmilitarynews.com

A man was arrested after getting into an altercation at a New York City McDonald’s on Friday in which he struck multiple people with his hands and used a hatchet to smash glass and tables in the restaurant. The incident was captured on video that amassed more than 25 million views as of Monday.


What’s a little assault and battery, right? No problem in the leftist worldview. I guess it’s convenient to ignore the facts but that doesn’t change the facts.

What was that about funds for mental healthcare?

Hospital groups decry new round of DSH cuts in latest infrastructure bill

Hospital groups are making a last-minute push to prevent Congress from including cuts to safety net hospitals in a massive $1.75 trillion infrastructure package. | Hospital groups are imploring Democrats in Congress to nix cuts in payments to hospitals that serve a high amount of Medicaid and...

www.fiercehealthcare.com

Senators Can't Agree on Agency Funding Levels, Even As Democrats Hold Back on Some Increases

Republicans deride Democratic priorities in fiscal 2023 bills with just two months until a shutdown.

www.govexec.com

Senators Can't Agree on Agency Funding Levels, Even As Democrats Hold Back on Some Increases​

Republicans deride Democratic priorities in fiscal 2023 bills with just two months until a shutdown.​

So. What do the facts tell us about your lack of honesty, integrity and knowledge?

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah. Swinging a hatchet in a public place, assault and battery. No big deal in the alternate reality of leftism.

Although, it seems you somehow don’t know the facts.

Point was, he didn't hit anyone with the hatchet, he just damaged property with it.

What’s a little assault and battery, right? No problem in the leftist worldview. I guess it’s convenient to ignore the facts but that doesn’t change the facts.

Again, until we decide we are going to deal with the underlying drivers of crime - Racism, Poverty, Mental Illness, Addiction and Gun Proliferation- we are going to have to learn to live with crime. But keep fondling your gun, I'm sure that will make you feel better.

Oh, the Europeans have already figured this out.

Senators Can't Agree on Agency Funding Levels, Even As Democrats Hold Back on Some Increases​

Republicans deride Democratic priorities in fiscal 2023 bills with just two months until a shutdown.​

You mean the Democrats are having a hard time restoring funds Trump already slashed... yes, we know this.

 

[Pete7469]

I'm sure I've said this already, but the primary reason bed wetter DA's release violent thugs so easily is because they want the chaos to continue or even increase. The bed wetters are convinced that if the lawlessness is maintained or even made worse, most Americans will demand gov't solves the "problem" the bed wetters created. The only real way the problem will be solved of course, is for the democrook criminal syndicate to be defeated in elections and for decent people to fertilize the soil with thug brains upon being attacked.

Helicopters might come in handy also.... Just sayin'...



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[Hollie]

Point was, he didn't hit anyone with the hatchet, he just damaged property with it.



Again, until we decide we are going to deal with the underlying drivers of crime - Racism, Poverty, Mental Illness, Addiction and Gun Proliferation- we are going to have to learn to live with crime. But keep fondling your gun, I'm sure that will make you feel better.

Oh, the Europeans have already figured this out.



You mean the Democrats are having a hard time restoring funds Trump already slashed... yes, we know this.

Point was, it was assault and battery that could have escalated to far worse.

Point is, until the left decides to hold criminals accountable, leftist run Hell holes of crime, drugs and violence will get worse.

Analysis: Democrats at the helm of 11 of the 15 deadliest cities in U.S.

A TND analysis of the 15 deadliest cities in America discovered that 11 of them are primarily run by Democrats. The National Desk (TND) looked at the party affiliations of mayors, district attorneys, sheriffs and city council members within the nation’s 15 cities which currently hold the highest...

www.google.com

The cities largely run by Democrats are St. Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit, Cleveland, Newark, Chicago, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, and Pittsburgh.

All but three cities on the list have Democratic mayors. Democratic district attorneys are also in charge of prosecution in 12 of the 15 cities.

The top four deadliest cities -- St. Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans and Detroit -- have Democratic mayors, sheriffs, prosecutors and city council leaders. The fifth, Cleveland, has Democrats across the board with the exception of an unaffiliated sheriff who was appointed to his position.

Progressive prosecutors, which hold office in nearly all of the 15 cities, have come under fire lately for weakening their prosecutorial standards.



It's remarkable that Ultra-leftists choose to ignore the deadly reality they create.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Point was, he didn't hit anyone with the hatchet, he just damaged property with it.

Again, until we decide we are going to deal with the underlying drivers of crime - Racism, Poverty, Mental Illness, Addiction and Gun Proliferation- we are going to have to learn to live with crime. But keep fondling your gun, I'm sure that will make you feel better.

No actual human being would make excuses for sub human criminal shit, the way you do. Only a criminal would.

Do you wonder why nobody on this forum believes you when you claim that you are not a subhuman criminal piece of shit, just like those whose side you openly take against the side of human beings?

Do you even care?

 

[2aguy]

Or that all he did was damage property, which is why they didn't give him a high bail amount.

The leftist natural order of things is that we'd have universal health care that would include mental health treatment.

The Rightwing natural order is to not get this man treatment, but make it easy for him to get a gun. Because he's part of a well-regulated militia or something.



Then why is it the right that keeps slashing programs?

Trump has Tried to Slash Funds for Mental Health Care Despite Post-Shooting Rhetoric | NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness

NAMI, the National Alliance on Mental Illness, is the nation’s largest grassroots mental health organization dedicated to building better lives for the millions of Americans affected by mental illness.

www.nami.org

Abbott calls Texas school shooting a mental health issue but cut state spending for it

While such programs require more funding, they wouldn't eliminate the need for gun control, experts said.

www.nbcnews.com

Check out which states don't spend that much on mental health... Yup, it's mostly the red states.

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Universal Healthcare around the world is bankrupting the countries that have it, and the medical care sucks.....and each year it gets worse....

What you asshats never admit is the only reason Europe and Japan can have the government healthcare they have, is the United States pays for everything else.....we protect them with our military, our technology sector gives them their new technologies.....and our drug companies actually make the drugs they use, which they then refuse to pay a fair price for.....

You never want to acknowledge that without the U.S., the government healthcare in all of those countries would have collapsed decades ago...

 

[JoeB131]

Point was, it was assault and battery that could have escalated to far worse.

Could have been, should have been, would have been.

He damaged some property. Ideal world, he should have gotten mental health treatment, but instead, we'll toss him out on the street until he gets worse.

Point is, until the left decides to hold criminals accountable, leftist run Hell holes of crime, drugs and violence will get worse.

You mean you have more crime when you have more people. AMAZING!

No actual human being would make excuses for sub human criminal shit, the way you do. Only a criminal would.

Do you wonder why nobody on this forum believes you when you claim that you are not a subhuman criminal piece of shit, just like those whose side you openly take against the side of human beings?

Do you even care?

Do I care what a member of a deranged cult thinks, not really. you are fine with the poverty, you are fine with the racism, you are fine with the lack of social programs, you are fine with the guns... you don't get to whine about the crime.

 

[JoeB131]

Universal Healthcare around the world is bankrupting the countries that have it, and the medical care sucks.....and each year it gets worse....

What you asshats never admit is the only reason Europe and Japan can have the government healthcare they have, is the United States pays for everything else.....we protect them with our military, our technology sector gives them their new technologies.....and our drug companies actually make the drugs they use, which they then refuse to pay a fair price for.....

Okay, let's look at that..

The US Spends 17% of it's GDP on health care. We let the insurance industry and Big Pharma rape sick people. We let people suffer from treatable illnesses because insurance companies decide treating them isn't profitable. We have the worst health care results in the industrialized world.

And you are sincerely worried about their profits.

Meanwhile most European Countries and Japan have single payer health care. They spend 8-11% of their GDP on health care. They live longer. They have lower incidences of obesity and other problems. They have lower infant mortality rates. Because they started out with the notion that health care was a right and a service, and not a commodity to be monetized.

You never want to acknowledge that without the U.S., the government healthcare in all of those countries would have collapsed decades ago...

Wow, you just went full Ugly American, didn't you?

 

[2aguy]

Okay, let's look at that..

The US Spends 17% of it's GDP on health care. We let the insurance industry and Big Pharma rape sick people. We let people suffer from treatable illnesses because insurance companies decide treating them isn't profitable. We have the worst health care results in the industrialized world.

And you are sincerely worried about their profits.

Meanwhile most European Countries and Japan have single payer health care. They spend 8-11% of their GDP on health care. They live longer. They have lower incidences of obesity and other problems. They have lower infant mortality rates. Because they started out with the notion that health care was a right and a service, and not a commodity to be monetized.



Wow, you just went full Ugly American, didn't you?

And without the United States, the health care systems around the world would collapse.....Europe, Japan, all have healthcare run by the government because we pay for their national defense, our drug companies, the ones you hate, create the pills they refuse to pay a fair price for, and our innovation leads to the all the fun toys the Europeans and Asians use.....

If they had to pay for their national defense, they wouldn't be able to afford their social welfare states...you idiot.