Anti gun protester David Hogg protected by armed guards

[frigidweirdo]

The logic of this argument, used again and again is just ridiculous.

I wouldn't want to be protected by armed guys. It would imply there's something wrong with the place I am.

But that doesn't mean I should be stupid and not have armed guards where they are necessary.

Who wouldn't fear some of these gun nuts enough to require protection?

Smart people. "Gun nuts" not out to rob, assault, or kill you. Criminals are, and if they are armed while you are not, you have no defense. It's really that simple.

Well no, nothing is ever that simple.

But it's worth a try pretending the world is simple and ignoring the facts in order to make everything fit how you want things to look.

Okay, what defense do you have when you encounter a criminal who is armed and you are not?

Is this about defense?

No, this is about statistics. Why?

Alaska, heavily armed state. It's the second most armed state after Wyoming.

It also has the highest rape rate in the US. So, all those guns, are they PROTECTING people or are they ENDANGERING people?

The US has more guns than any other first world western nation and it also has more murders than any other first world western nation.

As much as you can defend yourself with a gun, you're more likely to be killed by a gun.

Freedom is messy and chaotic, sometimes dangerous. It's still preferable to giving up freedom for the illusion of safety.

Ah, freedom.

Like the freedom of Mexicans to enter the US? Wait, all of a sudden the right prefers safety over freedom. Same with Muslims in the US.

Same with a lot of things.

I get it, people use whatever arguments they think will win them the argument, even if they're contradictory as hell to what they wrote for a previous topic.

It's called compartmentalization. But don't let this get in the way of a crap story.

 

[Rustic]

Smart people. "Gun nuts" not out to rob, assault, or kill you. Criminals are, and if they are armed while you are not, you have no defense. It's really that simple.

Well no, nothing is ever that simple.

But it's worth a try pretending the world is simple and ignoring the facts in order to make everything fit how you want things to look.

Okay, what defense do you have when you encounter a criminal who is armed and you are not?

Is this about defense?

No, this is about statistics. Why?

Alaska, heavily armed state. It's the second most armed state after Wyoming.

It also has the highest rape rate in the US. So, all those guns, are they PROTECTING people or are they ENDANGERING people?

The US has more guns than any other first world western nation and it also has more murders than any other first world western nation.

As much as you can defend yourself with a gun, you're more likely to be killed by a gun.

Freedom is messy and chaotic, sometimes dangerous. It's still preferable to giving up freedom for the illusion of safety.

Ah, freedom.

Like the freedom of Mexicans to enter the US? Wait, all of a sudden the right prefers safety over freedom. Same with Muslims in the US.

Same with a lot of things.

I get it, people use whatever arguments they think will win them the argument, even if they're contradictory as hell to what they wrote for a previous topic.

It's called compartmentalization. But don't let this get in the way of a crap story.

Muslims are all about violence, And the son of bitch’n illegal aliens are all about breaking the law before they even enter the country...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One more time...pure fact...

Between 1 Oct 2017 and 1 Jan 2018 $2,693,984,023 added per day to the deficit.
Between 1 Jan 2018 and 25 May 2018 $4,188,972,073 added per day to the deficit.

One more time...pure fact: the number of Baby Boomers joining Social Security and Medicare increased from October 1, 2017 to May 25, 2018.

Because I know you are not smart enough to be doing it, I looked for you. According to the SSA Monthly Statistical Snapshot there are 562,000 more people on SS at the end of April than at the end of Oct. For them to be the cause of the increase in the deficit each of them would have to be receiving $81,133...per month to account for the increase in the deficit since the tax cuts kicked in.

So, for you to be right, SS has to be paying people an annual salary of over 900 grand!

Once again, fact and figures show you are full of shit and just talk out of your ass with zero support.

 

[Rustic]

One more time...pure fact...

Between 1 Oct 2017 and 1 Jan 2018 $2,693,984,023 added per day to the deficit.
Between 1 Jan 2018 and 25 May 2018 $4,188,972,073 added per day to the deficit.

One more time...pure fact: the number of Baby Boomers joining Social Security and Medicare increased from October 1, 2017 to May 25, 2018.

Because I know you are not smart enough to be doing it, I looked for you. According to the SSA Monthly Statistical Snapshot there are 562,000 more people on SS at the end of April than at the end of Oct. For them to be the cause of the increase in the deficit each of them would have to be receiving $81,133...per month to account for the increase in the deficit since the tax cuts kicked in.

So, for you to be right, SS has to be paying people an annual salary of over 900 grand!

Once again, fact and figures show you are full of shit and just talk out of your ass with zero support.

All socialist entitlement programs are a Ponzi scheme

 

[P@triot]

Yes, revenues went up, at a slower rate than they would have without the tax cuts

Without the tax cuts, they wouldn’t have gone up at all.

 

[P@triot]

For them to be the cause of the increase in the deficit each of them would have to be receiving $81,133...per month to account for the increase in the deficit since the tax cuts kicked in.

One open heart surgery will run about $60,000 in a single day.

 

[P@triot]

They are reduced because they are going up at a slower rate. Instead of going up 9%, they went up at a 5% rate...that means they grew 4% less than they would have without the tax cut

Without the tax cuts, they wouldn’t have gone up 9%, 5%, or 4%. Revenues wouldn’t have gone up at all.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They are reduced because they are going up at a slower rate. Instead of going up 9%, they went up at a 5% rate...that means they grew 4% less than they would have without the tax cut

Without the tax cuts, they wouldn’t have gone up 9%, 5%, or 4%. Revenues wouldn’t have gone up at all.

That is just stupid, revenue goes up 95% of the time, tax cuts or not. All tax cuts do is slow their growth.

I have given you the numbers and you just pretend they are not there.

That is why you are a Trump zealot, you lack the ability to think for yourself, you need Trump to tell you what is up and what is right.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

For them to be the cause of the increase in the deficit each of them would have to be receiving $81,133...per month to account for the increase in the deficit since the tax cuts kicked in.

One open heart surgery will run about $60,000 in a single day.

Then provide the evidence that medicare outlays have gone up.

You keep making up numbers but never once support a single thing you say.

You are the worst kind of troll.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yes, revenues went up, at a slower rate than they would have without the tax cuts

Without the tax cuts, they wouldn’t have gone up at all.

Once again, the evidence is against you. I have given the proof that revenue was growing faster prior to every tax cut than after.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One more time...pure fact...

Between 1 Oct 2017 and 1 Jan 2018 $2,693,984,023 added per day to the deficit.
Between 1 Jan 2018 and 25 May 2018 $4,188,972,073 added per day to the deficit.

One more time...pure fact: the number of Baby Boomers joining Social Security and Medicare increased from October 1, 2017 to May 25, 2018.

Because I know you are not smart enough to be doing it, I looked for you. According to the SSA Monthly Statistical Snapshot there are 562,000 more people on SS at the end of April than at the end of Oct. For them to be the cause of the increase in the deficit each of them would have to be receiving $81,133...per month to account for the increase in the deficit since the tax cuts kicked in.

So, for you to be right, SS has to be paying people an annual salary of over 900 grand!

Once again, fact and figures show you are full of shit and just talk out of your ass with zero support.

All socialist entitlement programs are a Ponzi scheme

Who do you think will win the World Cup?

 

[hadit]

Smart people. "Gun nuts" not out to rob, assault, or kill you. Criminals are, and if they are armed while you are not, you have no defense. It's really that simple.

Well no, nothing is ever that simple.

But it's worth a try pretending the world is simple and ignoring the facts in order to make everything fit how you want things to look.

Okay, what defense do you have when you encounter a criminal who is armed and you are not?

Is this about defense?

No, this is about statistics. Why?

Alaska, heavily armed state. It's the second most armed state after Wyoming.

It also has the highest rape rate in the US. So, all those guns, are they PROTECTING people or are they ENDANGERING people?

The US has more guns than any other first world western nation and it also has more murders than any other first world western nation.

As much as you can defend yourself with a gun, you're more likely to be killed by a gun.

Freedom is messy and chaotic, sometimes dangerous. It's still preferable to giving up freedom for the illusion of safety.

Ah, freedom.

Like the freedom of Mexicans to enter the US? Wait, all of a sudden the right prefers safety over freedom. Same with Muslims in the US.

Same with a lot of things.

I get it, people use whatever arguments they think will win them the argument, even if they're contradictory as hell to what they wrote for a previous topic.

It's called compartmentalization. But don't let this get in the way of a crap story.

And this is where the wheels fall off your tricycle. American citizens have freedom. Those who come here legally have freedom. See where I'm going with this?

Just in case you don't, I'll spell it out for you. If you are not an American citizen and do not live legally in the United States, you don't have the freedom American citizens have. If you come here illegally, you do not have the freedom American citizens have. Heck, if you're an American citizen living abroad, you have to obey the laws of the country you're in or you lose your freedom.

Please, do tell us how and why a Mexican living in Mexico has and should have the freedom to come here illegally. Tell us how and why an Iranian living in Iran has and should have the freedom to come here illegally.

See, this is why it's very hard to take lefties seriously on immigration. They cannot, despite being educated on the subject many times, distinguish between legal and illegal immigration.

 

[Rustic]

One more time...pure fact...

Between 1 Oct 2017 and 1 Jan 2018 $2,693,984,023 added per day to the deficit.
Between 1 Jan 2018 and 25 May 2018 $4,188,972,073 added per day to the deficit.

One more time...pure fact: the number of Baby Boomers joining Social Security and Medicare increased from October 1, 2017 to May 25, 2018.

Because I know you are not smart enough to be doing it, I looked for you. According to the SSA Monthly Statistical Snapshot there are 562,000 more people on SS at the end of April than at the end of Oct. For them to be the cause of the increase in the deficit each of them would have to be receiving $81,133...per month to account for the increase in the deficit since the tax cuts kicked in.

So, for you to be right, SS has to be paying people an annual salary of over 900 grand!

Once again, fact and figures show you are full of shit and just talk out of your ass with zero support.

All socialist entitlement programs are a Ponzi scheme

Who do you think will win the World Cup?

Soccer is a sport?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One more time...pure fact...

Between 1 Oct 2017 and 1 Jan 2018 $2,693,984,023 added per day to the deficit.
Between 1 Jan 2018 and 25 May 2018 $4,188,972,073 added per day to the deficit.

One more time...pure fact: the number of Baby Boomers joining Social Security and Medicare increased from October 1, 2017 to May 25, 2018.

Because I know you are not smart enough to be doing it, I looked for you. According to the SSA Monthly Statistical Snapshot there are 562,000 more people on SS at the end of April than at the end of Oct. For them to be the cause of the increase in the deficit each of them would have to be receiving $81,133...per month to account for the increase in the deficit since the tax cuts kicked in.

So, for you to be right, SS has to be paying people an annual salary of over 900 grand!

Once again, fact and figures show you are full of shit and just talk out of your ass with zero support.

All socialist entitlement programs are a Ponzi scheme

Who do you think will win the World Cup?

Soccer is a sport?

How is the weather in your neck of the woods?

 

[Rustic]

One more time...pure fact: the number of Baby Boomers joining Social Security and Medicare increased from October 1, 2017 to May 25, 2018.

Because I know you are not smart enough to be doing it, I looked for you. According to the SSA Monthly Statistical Snapshot there are 562,000 more people on SS at the end of April than at the end of Oct. For them to be the cause of the increase in the deficit each of them would have to be receiving $81,133...per month to account for the increase in the deficit since the tax cuts kicked in.

So, for you to be right, SS has to be paying people an annual salary of over 900 grand!

Once again, fact and figures show you are full of shit and just talk out of your ass with zero support.

All socialist entitlement programs are a Ponzi scheme

Who do you think will win the World Cup?

Soccer is a sport?

How is the weather in your neck of the woods?

Sunny and 70

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Because I know you are not smart enough to be doing it, I looked for you. According to the SSA Monthly Statistical Snapshot there are 562,000 more people on SS at the end of April than at the end of Oct. For them to be the cause of the increase in the deficit each of them would have to be receiving $81,133...per month to account for the increase in the deficit since the tax cuts kicked in.

So, for you to be right, SS has to be paying people an annual salary of over 900 grand!

Once again, fact and figures show you are full of shit and just talk out of your ass with zero support.

All socialist entitlement programs are a Ponzi scheme

Who do you think will win the World Cup?

Soccer is a sport?

How is the weather in your neck of the woods?

Sunny and 70

I wonder if the DJI will go up 70 points today

 

[skookerasbil]

Newsflash.....

Hogg was observed at a Nurf Gun range in Southern California yesterday!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well no, nothing is ever that simple.

But it's worth a try pretending the world is simple and ignoring the facts in order to make everything fit how you want things to look.

Okay, what defense do you have when you encounter a criminal who is armed and you are not?

Is this about defense?

No, this is about statistics. Why?

Alaska, heavily armed state. It's the second most armed state after Wyoming.

It also has the highest rape rate in the US. So, all those guns, are they PROTECTING people or are they ENDANGERING people?

The US has more guns than any other first world western nation and it also has more murders than any other first world western nation.

As much as you can defend yourself with a gun, you're more likely to be killed by a gun.

Freedom is messy and chaotic, sometimes dangerous. It's still preferable to giving up freedom for the illusion of safety.

Ah, freedom.

Like the freedom of Mexicans to enter the US? Wait, all of a sudden the right prefers safety over freedom. Same with Muslims in the US.

Same with a lot of things.

I get it, people use whatever arguments they think will win them the argument, even if they're contradictory as hell to what they wrote for a previous topic.

It's called compartmentalization. But don't let this get in the way of a crap story.

And this is where the wheels fall off your tricycle. American citizens have freedom. Those who come here legally have freedom. See where I'm going with this?

Just in case you don't, I'll spell it out for you. If you are not an American citizen and do not live legally in the United States, you don't have the freedom American citizens have. If you come here illegally, you do not have the freedom American citizens have. Heck, if you're an American citizen living abroad, you have to obey the laws of the country you're in or you lose your freedom.

Please, do tell us how and why a Mexican living in Mexico has and should have the freedom to come here illegally. Tell us how and why an Iranian living in Iran has and should have the freedom to come here illegally.

See, this is why it's very hard to take lefties seriously on immigration. They cannot, despite being educated on the subject many times, distinguish between legal and illegal immigration.

No, I don't think you're looking at the right tricycle.

My argument isn't that illegal Mexicans should be afforded the same privileges as Americans.

My argument is that there's a contradiction.

The right will come out with the freedom card when it suits them. Then they'll come out with the security card when it suits them.

We need guns because we need our freedom, even if 10,000+ die a year. Freedom is paramount.

We need to limit immigrants from Muslim countries that have never done anything because there's a chance 10 people might down. Security is paramount.

Do you see what I'm saying? I'm only offering one example. I could fill the page with examples, but you won't read them, so what's the point? I've given my example, you have two choices, understand my point, or go off on one thinking I'm only talking about the issue of immigrants, which I'm not. This isn't about immigrants, it's about freedom v. security.

 

[P@triot]

You are fired up about MS13 because Trump duped you.

Apparently President Trump has “duped” the Dumbocrats as well...

 

[P@triot]

That is just stupid, revenue goes up 95% of the time, tax cuts or not.

Bwahahaha!!! They sure didn’t go “up” under Barack Insane Obama when he and the Dumbocrats took unemployment to over 10%.