Antarctic and Arctic gaining ICE.. Not Melting...

[orogenicman]

So you decline the challenge?

Don't be obtuse. You refuse to answer my questions, Ian. Until you do, we are done here.

 

[Crick]

Per Wikipedia

Selected publications

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2003). "Corrections to the Mann et al. (1998) Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemispheric Average Temperature Series". Energy & Environment 14 (6): 751–771. doi:10.1260/095830503322793632.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "The M&M Critique of the MBH98 Northern Hemisphere Climate Index: Update and Implications". Energy & Environment 16 (1): 69–100. doi:10.1260/0958305053516226.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance". Geophysical Research Letters 32 (3): L03710.Bibcode:2005GeoRL..3203710M. doi:10.1029/2004GL021750.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2009). "Proxy inconsistency and other problems in millennial paleoclimate reconstructions". PNAS 106 (6): E10.Bibcode:2009PNAS..106...10M. doi:10.1073/pnas.0812509106. PMC 2647809. PMID 19188613.

• McKitrick, Ross; McIntyre, Stephen; Herman, Chad (2010). "Panel and multivariate methods for tests of trend equivalence in climate data series". Atmospheric Science Letters 11 (4): 270–277. Bibcode:2010AtScL..11..270M. doi:10.1002/asl.290.

• O'Donnell, Ryan; Lewis, Nicholas; McIntyre, Steve; Condon, Jeff (2011). "Improved Methods for PCA-Based Reconstructions: Case Study Using the Steig et al. (2009) Antarctic Temperature Reconstruction". Journal of Climate 24 (8): 2099–2115. doi:10.1175/2010JCLI3656.1.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2011). "Discussion of: A statistical analysis of multiple temperature proxies: Are reconstructions of surface temperatures over the last 1000 years reliable?" (PDF). Annals of Applied Statistics 5 (1): 56–60. arXiv:1105.0524. Bibcode:2011arXiv1105.0524M. doi:10.1214/10-AOAS398L.

He's still an ass with an MA in statistics, a personal bias in favor of fossil fuels and almost zero experience actually using his education. There are large numbers of better statisticians in the world.

 

[IanC]

Per Wikipedia

Selected publications

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2003). "Corrections to the Mann et al. (1998) Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemispheric Average Temperature Series". Energy & Environment 14 (6): 751–771. doi:10.1260/095830503322793632.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "The M&M Critique of the MBH98 Northern Hemisphere Climate Index: Update and Implications". Energy & Environment 16 (1): 69–100. doi:10.1260/0958305053516226.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance". Geophysical Research Letters 32 (3): L03710.Bibcode:2005GeoRL..3203710M. doi:10.1029/2004GL021750.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2009). "Proxy inconsistency and other problems in millennial paleoclimate reconstructions". PNAS 106 (6): E10.Bibcode:2009PNAS..106...10M. doi:10.1073/pnas.0812509106. PMC 2647809. PMID 19188613.

• McKitrick, Ross; McIntyre, Stephen; Herman, Chad (2010). "Panel and multivariate methods for tests of trend equivalence in climate data series". Atmospheric Science Letters 11 (4): 270–277. Bibcode:2010AtScL..11..270M. doi:10.1002/asl.290.

• O'Donnell, Ryan; Lewis, Nicholas; McIntyre, Steve; Condon, Jeff (2011). "Improved Methods for PCA-Based Reconstructions: Case Study Using the Steig et al. (2009) Antarctic Temperature Reconstruction". Journal of Climate 24 (8): 2099–2115. doi:10.1175/2010JCLI3656.1.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2011). "Discussion of: A statistical analysis of multiple temperature proxies: Are reconstructions of surface temperatures over the last 1000 years reliable?" (PDF). Annals of Applied Statistics 5 (1): 56–60. arXiv:1105.0524. Bibcode:2011arXiv1105.0524M. doi:10.1214/10-AOAS398L.

He's still an ass with an MA in statistics, a personal bias in favor of fossil fuels and almost zero experience actually using his education. There are large numbers of better statisticians in the world.

There may well be better statisticians in the world but they are not found in climate science. As McIntyre has repeatedly shown.

 

[skookerasbil]

more ghey global warming predictions......cheesedicks are ALWYAS wrong!!! And the AGW k00ks keep going on with the established narrative trying to scam the zombies. Facts don't matter to uber progressives. Never have. Never will!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Per Wikipedia

Selected publications

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2003). "Corrections to the Mann et al. (1998) Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemispheric Average Temperature Series". Energy & Environment 14 (6): 751–771. doi:10.1260/095830503322793632.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "The M&M Critique of the MBH98 Northern Hemisphere Climate Index: Update and Implications". Energy & Environment 16 (1): 69–100. doi:10.1260/0958305053516226.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance". Geophysical Research Letters 32 (3): L03710.Bibcode:2005GeoRL..3203710M. doi:10.1029/2004GL021750.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2009). "Proxy inconsistency and other problems in millennial paleoclimate reconstructions". PNAS 106 (6): E10.Bibcode:2009PNAS..106...10M. doi:10.1073/pnas.0812509106. PMC 2647809. PMID 19188613.

• McKitrick, Ross; McIntyre, Stephen; Herman, Chad (2010). "Panel and multivariate methods for tests of trend equivalence in climate data series". Atmospheric Science Letters 11 (4): 270–277. Bibcode:2010AtScL..11..270M. doi:10.1002/asl.290.

• O'Donnell, Ryan; Lewis, Nicholas; McIntyre, Steve; Condon, Jeff (2011). "Improved Methods for PCA-Based Reconstructions: Case Study Using the Steig et al. (2009) Antarctic Temperature Reconstruction". Journal of Climate 24 (8): 2099–2115. doi:10.1175/2010JCLI3656.1.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2011). "Discussion of: A statistical analysis of multiple temperature proxies: Are reconstructions of surface temperatures over the last 1000 years reliable?" (PDF). Annals of Applied Statistics 5 (1): 56–60. arXiv:1105.0524. Bibcode:2011arXiv1105.0524M. doi:10.1214/10-AOAS398L.

He's still an ass with an MA in statistics, a personal bias in favor of fossil fuels and almost zero experience actually using his education. There are large numbers of better statisticians in the world.

The models are rigged, thus the science is bogus. Far too much on the line to provide the straight dope.......and given the low level of concern about global warming amongst the public, they recognize the attendant agenda.



"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."

- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment


The Green Agenda

 

[westwall]

Per Wikipedia

Selected publications

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2003). "Corrections to the Mann et al. (1998) Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemispheric Average Temperature Series". Energy & Environment 14 (6): 751–771. doi:10.1260/095830503322793632.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "The M&M Critique of the MBH98 Northern Hemisphere Climate Index: Update and Implications". Energy & Environment 16 (1): 69–100. doi:10.1260/0958305053516226.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance". Geophysical Research Letters 32 (3): L03710.Bibcode:2005GeoRL..3203710M. doi:10.1029/2004GL021750.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2009). "Proxy inconsistency and other problems in millennial paleoclimate reconstructions". PNAS 106 (6): E10.Bibcode:2009PNAS..106...10M. doi:10.1073/pnas.0812509106. PMC 2647809. PMID 19188613.

• McKitrick, Ross; McIntyre, Stephen; Herman, Chad (2010). "Panel and multivariate methods for tests of trend equivalence in climate data series". Atmospheric Science Letters 11 (4): 270–277. Bibcode:2010AtScL..11..270M. doi:10.1002/asl.290.

• O'Donnell, Ryan; Lewis, Nicholas; McIntyre, Steve; Condon, Jeff (2011). "Improved Methods for PCA-Based Reconstructions: Case Study Using the Steig et al. (2009) Antarctic Temperature Reconstruction". Journal of Climate 24 (8): 2099–2115. doi:10.1175/2010JCLI3656.1.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2011). "Discussion of: A statistical analysis of multiple temperature proxies: Are reconstructions of surface temperatures over the last 1000 years reliable?" (PDF). Annals of Applied Statistics 5 (1): 56–60. arXiv:1105.0524. Bibcode:2011arXiv1105.0524M. doi:10.1214/10-AOAS398L.

He's still an ass with an MA in statistics, a personal bias in favor of fossil fuels and almost zero experience actually using his education. There are large numbers of better statisticians in the world.

That is almost certainly true. However, Mr. Steve has shown that not one of them exists within the sphere of climatology. He is, by far, more competent than ANY climatologist in the world when it comes to stats. As he has shown repeatedly.

 

[orogenicman]

Per Wikipedia

Selected publications

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2003). "Corrections to the Mann et al. (1998) Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemispheric Average Temperature Series". Energy & Environment 14 (6): 751–771. doi:10.1260/095830503322793632.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "The M&M Critique of the MBH98 Northern Hemisphere Climate Index: Update and Implications". Energy & Environment 16 (1): 69–100. doi:10.1260/0958305053516226.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance". Geophysical Research Letters 32 (3): L03710.Bibcode:2005GeoRL..3203710M. doi:10.1029/2004GL021750.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2009). "Proxy inconsistency and other problems in millennial paleoclimate reconstructions". PNAS 106 (6): E10.Bibcode:2009PNAS..106...10M. doi:10.1073/pnas.0812509106. PMC 2647809. PMID 19188613.

• McKitrick, Ross; McIntyre, Stephen; Herman, Chad (2010). "Panel and multivariate methods for tests of trend equivalence in climate data series". Atmospheric Science Letters 11 (4): 270–277. Bibcode:2010AtScL..11..270M. doi:10.1002/asl.290.

• O'Donnell, Ryan; Lewis, Nicholas; McIntyre, Steve; Condon, Jeff (2011). "Improved Methods for PCA-Based Reconstructions: Case Study Using the Steig et al. (2009) Antarctic Temperature Reconstruction". Journal of Climate 24 (8): 2099–2115. doi:10.1175/2010JCLI3656.1.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2011). "Discussion of: A statistical analysis of multiple temperature proxies: Are reconstructions of surface temperatures over the last 1000 years reliable?" (PDF). Annals of Applied Statistics 5 (1): 56–60. arXiv:1105.0524. Bibcode:2011arXiv1105.0524M. doi:10.1214/10-AOAS398L.

He's still an ass with an MA in statistics, a personal bias in favor of fossil fuels and almost zero experience actually using his education. There are large numbers of better statisticians in the world.

There may well be better statisticians in the world but they are not found in climate science. As McIntyre has repeatedly shown.

He should know.

 

[mamooth]

The CultofMcIntyre is getting more and more fanatical in its blind devotion to DearLeader.

Here on the rational side, you don't see anything remotely like that. We don't do Cult of Personality. Science is good or bad depending on the merits of the science, not who it comes from.

 

[Crick]

Per Wikipedia

Selected publications

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2003). "Corrections to the Mann et al. (1998) Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemispheric Average Temperature Series". Energy & Environment 14 (6): 751–771. doi:10.1260/095830503322793632.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "The M&M Critique of the MBH98 Northern Hemisphere Climate Index: Update and Implications". Energy & Environment 16 (1): 69–100. doi:10.1260/0958305053516226.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2005). "Hockey sticks, principal components, and spurious significance". Geophysical Research Letters 32 (3): L03710.Bibcode:2005GeoRL..3203710M. doi:10.1029/2004GL021750.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2009). "Proxy inconsistency and other problems in millennial paleoclimate reconstructions". PNAS 106 (6): E10.Bibcode:2009PNAS..106...10M. doi:10.1073/pnas.0812509106. PMC 2647809. PMID 19188613.

• McKitrick, Ross; McIntyre, Stephen; Herman, Chad (2010). "Panel and multivariate methods for tests of trend equivalence in climate data series". Atmospheric Science Letters 11 (4): 270–277. Bibcode:2010AtScL..11..270M. doi:10.1002/asl.290.

• O'Donnell, Ryan; Lewis, Nicholas; McIntyre, Steve; Condon, Jeff (2011). "Improved Methods for PCA-Based Reconstructions: Case Study Using the Steig et al. (2009) Antarctic Temperature Reconstruction". Journal of Climate 24 (8): 2099–2115. doi:10.1175/2010JCLI3656.1.

• McIntyre, Stephen; McKitrick, Ross (2011). "Discussion of: A statistical analysis of multiple temperature proxies: Are reconstructions of surface temperatures over the last 1000 years reliable?" (PDF). Annals of Applied Statistics 5 (1): 56–60. arXiv:1105.0524. Bibcode:2011arXiv1105.0524M. doi:10.1214/10-AOAS398L.

He's still an ass with an MA in statistics, a personal bias in favor of fossil fuels and almost zero experience actually using his education. There are large numbers of better statisticians in the world.

There may well be better statisticians in the world but they are not found in climate science. As McIntyre has repeatedly shown.

There is no "may" about it and I can guarantee you better statisticians may be found in climate science.

 

[westwall]

The CultofMcIntyre is getting more and more fanatical in its blind devotion to DearLeader.

Here on the rational side, you don't see anything remotely like that. We don't do Cult of Personality. Science is good or bad depending on the merits of the science, not who it comes from.

Sure you don't! Mann, Trenberth and Jones. The Climate Mafia personified. Everything you asshats post is a defense of your high priests.

They are the very definition of a "cult of personality" you blind fool.

 

[Crick]

You people make several mistakes:

1) McIntyre is, demonstrably, not a great statistician
2) McIntyre probably knows statistics better than some people doing statistics in the progress of conducting climate science
3) McIntyre does not know statistics better than most of the people doing statistics in the progress of conducting climate science
4) McIntyre's work has had no effect on the fundamental underpinnings of AGW
5) McIntyere's work has had very close to zero effect on the most arcane of climatological nuances with which he's taken issue
6) AGW is not an artifact of bad statistics.

 

[Crick]

The CultofMcIntyre is getting more and more fanatical in its blind devotion to DearLeader.

Here on the rational side, you don't see anything remotely like that. We don't do Cult of Personality. Science is good or bad depending on the merits of the science, not who it comes from.

Sure you don't! Mann, Trenberth and Jones. The Climate Mafia personified. Everything you asshats post is a defense of your high priests.

They are the very definition of a "cult of personality" you blind fool.

You make a serious logical error here dude. They would require no defense if they were not first attacked. It is YOU who identify those three individuals as something special. What we believe has merit is their work.

 

[skookerasbil]

The CultofMcIntyre is getting more and more fanatical in its blind devotion to DearLeader.

Here on the rational side, you don't see anything remotely like that. We don't do Cult of Personality. Science is good or bad depending on the merits of the science, not who it comes from.

Sure you don't! Mann, Trenberth and Jones. The Climate Mafia personified. Everything you asshats post is a defense of your high priests.

They are the very definition of a "cult of personality" you blind fool.

 

[westwall]

You people make several mistakes:

1) McIntyre is, demonstrably, not a great statistician
2) McIntyre probably knows statistics better than some people doing statistics in the progress of conducting climate science
3) McIntyre does not know statistics better than most of the people doing statistics in the progress of conducting climate science
4) McIntyre's work has had no effect on the fundamental underpinnings of AGW
5) McIntyere's work has had very close to zero effect on the most arcane of climatological nuances with which he's taken issue
6) AGW is not an artifact of bad statistics.

And yet he's better than any climatologist on the planet. How can they be so "well educated" yet so poor at math? The world wonders.

 

[Crick]

Were you under the impression that he had found errors in ALL the work of climatologists? No. He claims to have found errors in less than a single handful of over ten thousand papers and none of the errors he claims to have found have made the slightest difference in any conclusions and in the opinions of any climate scientists regarding AGW.

His work has been completely irrelevant and shows every sign of remaining that way.

 

[Crick]

Just to get back on topic, who here believes the Arctic is gaining ice? Billy Bob? You're the OP. Is that still your opinion?

 

[skookerasbil]

gAiNiNg

 

[Old Rocks]

Figure 3. Monthly May ice extent for 1979 to 2015 shows a decline of 2.33% per decade relative to the 1981 to 2010 average.

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

When that slope is reversed, then you can claim a gain.

 

[Old Rocks]

Fig.1 Arctic sea ice volume anomaly from PIOMAS updated once a month. Daily Sea Ice volume anomalies for each day are computed relative to the 1979 to 2014 average for that day of the year. Tickmarks on time axis refer to 1st day of year. The trend for the period 1979- present is shown in blue. Shaded areas show one and two standard deviations from the trend. Error bars indicate the uncertainty of the monthly anomaly plotted once per year.

Polar Science Center PIOMAS Arctic Sea Ice Volume Reanalysis

Same for this one.

 

[IanC]

You people make several mistakes:

1) McIntyre is, demonstrably, not a great statistician
2) McIntyre probably knows statistics better than some people doing statistics in the progress of conducting climate science
3) McIntyre does not know statistics better than most of the people doing statistics in the progress of conducting climate science
4) McIntyre's work has had no effect on the fundamental underpinnings of AGW
5) McIntyere's work has had very close to zero effect on the most arcane of climatological nuances with which he's taken issue
6) AGW is not an artifact of bad statistics.

1. define great statistician. then demonstrate.
2.OK
3. I'm having a hard time believing that. If true then the climate scientists must be purposely using faulty stats in their work. I prefer to think they are incompetent rather than dishonest but I could be wrong.
4. define underpinnings. McIntyre focuses on paleo reconstructions for the most part. He has identified many mistaken methodologies there, and while mistakes are still being made he has lessened them to a large extent. climate scientists now know that flagrant misappropriate methodologies will be called out in web review, even though they should have already been caught in peer review.
5. he has had a large impact in his field of expertise.
6. McIntyre's field is riddled with bad statistics. he has worked hard to improve it. good science is better than bad science.