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And you know I am not sincere......how?So...saying T's & P's is indicating a lack of giving a shit? That's an interesting take considering all the T's & P's going out over the multitude of shootings we see every year now.Hmm...now this..is a stupid thread title. If you believe that any of these factors had anything to do with this person's actions..you are a fool.Four children, suspect found dead after Orlando hostage situation, police say - CNN
Cop's in critical condition.....T's & P's
If you are trolling the masses..surely you can do better?
T's & P's? If your response to this tragedy is a post such as this...allow me to doubt you give a shit about either the children or the police.
Of course, yours was obviously not sincere. You could (again obviously) not give a shit about dead kids.
I'm the one who started this thread in concern over the children's death at the hands of an out of control white male hetero. Where is YOUR concern for the dead children? Have I missed it somewhere?
But this is not about a black guy you have created to infer is a murderer.To be fair, it had nothing to do with him being white or straight -- he was obviously mentally ill...
If he was black, my opinion may change however -- since blacks are violent savages with unusually low instances of mental illness.
Well he was dressed sort of a cross between Barry Manilow and Liberace on stage?He/she/it is on its white male crusade.
My question remains. How does the OP know he was a Heterosexual? There is no test on a dead body that will tell if the individual was Straight or a closeted Homosexual.
You could run tests about ethnicity, about sex,just about any other factor, but none exists to determine sexuality.
So it's just as fair to say this was just another Homosexual killing kids.
Nah...some of my best friends are heteros.You are just a heterophobe!Unlike this guy who had a domestic dispute with his girlfriend, shot a cop, shot his kids and his girlfriend's kids....and then offed himself.It happens too often. A man seems to be leading a normal life - wife, kids, house, job, everything. Then he comes out as gay and leaves his wife and kids for the gay lifestyle.Four children, suspect found dead after Orlando hostage situation, police say - CNN
Cop's in critical condition.....T's & P's
How do you know he was Heterosexual. Just as likely he was a closeted Homosexual. Unless you have some test, then you can't know.
Oh, wait
Hetero thru and thru.
One. I'm impressed.You mean his having a girlfriend and two of the kids HE MURDERED being his?Four children, suspect found dead after Orlando hostage situation, police say - CNN
Cop's in critical condition.....T's & P's
How do you know he was Heterosexual. Just as likely he was a closeted Homosexual. Unless you have some test, then you can't know.
Oh, wait
But leave it to trumpanzees to try to peg him as gay. That's a closeted move.
Like this one? A Woman who had children with her ex-husband, left her husband to Marry her Lesbian lover, then, after informing her Wife that she was leaving her for a Man (I know it gets confussing), the Lesbian lover, Killed her?
(UPDATED) Family confirms former NP woman shot, killed in Lincoln
You mean like that?
Actually, the rush to excuse/defend/deflect from the white hetero male murderer is just what I expected.I have a feeling this thread is not going the way the OP envisioned.
Actually, the rush to excuse/defend/deflect from the white hetero male murderer is just what I expected.I have a feeling this thread is not going the way the OP envisioned.
Yup...what you expected...I would put to you that you are blinded by your expectations in this case. My posts..are all about you. Period. Not about deflecting from some fictitious white male hetero boogieman that you set up to bash.Actually, the rush to excuse/defend/deflect from the white hetero male murderer is just what I expected.I have a feeling this thread is not going the way the OP envisioned.
One. I'm impressed.You mean his having a girlfriend and two of the kids HE MURDERED being his?Four children, suspect found dead after Orlando hostage situation, police say - CNN
Cop's in critical condition.....T's & P's
How do you know he was Heterosexual. Just as likely he was a closeted Homosexual. Unless you have some test, then you can't know.
Oh, wait
But leave it to trumpanzees to try to peg him as gay. That's a closeted move.
Like this one? A Woman who had children with her ex-husband, left her husband to Marry her Lesbian lover, then, after informing her Wife that she was leaving her for a Man (I know it gets confussing), the Lesbian lover, Killed her?
(UPDATED) Family confirms former NP woman shot, killed in Lincoln
You mean like that?
Because of your racist sexist heterophobic bigotry.Actually, the rush to excuse/defend/deflect from the white hetero male murderer is just what I expected.I have a feeling this thread is not going the way the OP envisioned.
Thank you for proving my point about cherry-picking the net for tragedies that fit certain preconceptions.One. I'm impressed.You mean his having a girlfriend and two of the kids HE MURDERED being his?Four children, suspect found dead after Orlando hostage situation, police say - CNN
Cop's in critical condition.....T's & P's
How do you know he was Heterosexual. Just as likely he was a closeted Homosexual. Unless you have some test, then you can't know.
Oh, wait
But leave it to trumpanzees to try to peg him as gay. That's a closeted move.
Like this one? A Woman who had children with her ex-husband, left her husband to Marry her Lesbian lover, then, after informing her Wife that she was leaving her for a Man (I know it gets confussing), the Lesbian lover, Killed her?
(UPDATED) Family confirms former NP woman shot, killed in Lincoln
You mean like that?
Mum and lesbian partner guilty of murdering tragic tot Liam Fee
Lesbian accused of murdering rival - World - smh.com.au
Lesbian lover accused of killing partner's husband
Murder accused woman 'battered her lesbian lover so hard she looked like the Elephant Man'
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Six kids driven off cliff were ‘starved and abused’
Wow, chainsaws, driving off cliffs, lovers being beaten so badly they looked like elephants. Children starved and beaten.
My thoughts and prayers do go out to the victims, had they had known what they had gotten themselves into by getting into these relationships, some fine folks would be alive today.
Thank you for proving my point about cherry-picking the net for tragedies that fit certain preconceptions.One. I'm impressed.You mean his having a girlfriend and two of the kids HE MURDERED being his?How do you know he was Heterosexual. Just as likely he was a closeted Homosexual. Unless you have some test, then you can't know.
Oh, wait
But leave it to trumpanzees to try to peg him as gay. That's a closeted move.
Like this one? A Woman who had children with her ex-husband, left her husband to Marry her Lesbian lover, then, after informing her Wife that she was leaving her for a Man (I know it gets confussing), the Lesbian lover, Killed her?
(UPDATED) Family confirms former NP woman shot, killed in Lincoln
You mean like that?
Mum and lesbian partner guilty of murdering tragic tot Liam Fee
Lesbian accused of murdering rival - World - smh.com.au
Lesbian lover accused of killing partner's husband
Murder accused woman 'battered her lesbian lover so hard she looked like the Elephant Man'
No Cookies | The Advertiser
Six kids driven off cliff were ‘starved and abused’
Wow, chainsaws, driving off cliffs, lovers being beaten so badly they looked like elephants. Children starved and beaten.
My thoughts and prayers do go out to the victims, had they had known what they had gotten themselves into by getting into these relationships, some fine folks would be alive today.
Of course, you are smart enough to know that your cases are statistically meaningless....and that the gender, race and sexual orientation were probably irrelevant to the underlying pathological motivations involved, right?
I get it..you are responding to the op's post..and the ridiculous assumptions contained in it.
Usually, USMB functions as a poster board for anyone wanting to announce that a black, a Muslim, an "illegal," or an LGBT has committed a heinous crime, even if others have committed the same or worse. There is always a picture of the perp to drive the point home. It seems like it is the straight white guys who are pushing this sort of crap, and the OP did a good thing in pointing out the hypocracy.
The assertion that this guy was not heterosexual is especially off the wall. He had two kids of his own, which implies his participation in several heterosexual acts, he was living with a woman, who also had two kids, and he killed all of them, except the woman was able to get away.
There is only talk of mental illness when a straight white guy is the perp, as black, brown, Muslim, and LGBTs can't be mentally ill.
It seems like there have been a lot of straight white guys massacring their families, though.
This is an awful tragedy, and the families must be beside themselves. There is nothing that can make it un-happen.
Usually, USMB functions as a poster board for anyone wanting to announce that a black, a Muslim, an "illegal," or an LGBT has committed a heinous crime, even if others have committed the same or worse. There is always a picture of the perp to drive the point home. It seems like it is the straight white guys who are pushing this sort of crap, and the OP did a good thing in pointing out the hypocracy.
The assertion that this guy was not heterosexual is especially off the wall. He had two kids of his own, which implies his participation in several heterosexual acts, he was living with a woman, who also had two kids, and he killed all of them, except the woman was able to get away.
There is only talk of mental illness when a straight white guy is the perp, as black, brown, Muslim, and LGBTs can't be mentally ill.
It seems like there have been a lot of straight white guys massacring their families, though.
This is an awful tragedy, and the families must be beside themselves. There is nothing that can make it un-happen.
Having children make one straight?
Hmmm..you are correct, of course, as the the usual suspects being of a race or sexual orientation that fits the poster's agenda.Usually, USMB functions as a poster board for anyone wanting to announce that a black, a Muslim, an "illegal," or an LGBT has committed a heinous crime, even if others have committed the same or worse. There is always a picture of the perp to drive the point home. It seems like it is the straight white guys who are pushing this sort of crap, and the OP did a good thing in pointing out the hypocracy.
The assertion that this guy was not heterosexual is especially off the wall. He had two kids of his own, which implies his participation in several heterosexual acts, he was living with a woman, who also had two kids, and he killed all of them, except the woman was able to get away.
There is only talk of mental illness when a straight white guy is the perp, as black, brown, Muslim, and LGBTs can't be mentally ill.
It seems like there have been a lot of straight white guys massacring their families, though.
This is an awful tragedy, and the families must be beside themselves. There is nothing that can make it un-happen.
Hmmm..you are correct, of course, as the the usual suspects being of a race or sexual orientation that fits the poster's agenda.Usually, USMB functions as a poster board for anyone wanting to announce that a black, a Muslim, an "illegal," or an LGBT has committed a heinous crime, even if others have committed the same or worse. There is always a picture of the perp to drive the point home. It seems like it is the straight white guys who are pushing this sort of crap, and the OP did a good thing in pointing out the hypocracy.
The assertion that this guy was not heterosexual is especially off the wall. He had two kids of his own, which implies his participation in several heterosexual acts, he was living with a woman, who also had two kids, and he killed all of them, except the woman was able to get away.
There is only talk of mental illness when a straight white guy is the perp, as black, brown, Muslim, and LGBTs can't be mentally ill.
It seems like there have been a lot of straight white guys massacring their families, though.
This is an awful tragedy, and the families must be beside themselves. There is nothing that can make it un-happen.
I disagree with the tactic of doing the exact same thing..as some kind of 'pointing out of hypocrisy'. If you wish the moral and ethical high ground..your actions must be better than your opponents..not the same as.
'Seems like'..is not really a very cogent term, now is it? I did a quick crawl...and adjusting for population percentages....it would appear that 'straight white guys' do commit most of these crimes:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/230412.pdf
Same link..non pdf Men Who Murder Their Families: What the Research Tells Us | National Institute of Justice
Anna D. Wolf Chair and professor at JHU's School of Nursing, discussed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Violent Death Reporting System. Of the 408 homicide-suicide cases, most perpetrators were men (91 percent) and most used a gun (88 percent). A 12-city study that Campbell conducted of these cases found that intimate-partner violence had previously occurred in 70 percent of them. Interestingly, only 25 percent of prior domestic violence appeared in the arrest records, according to Campbell. Researchers uncovered much of the prior domestic violence through interviews with family and friends of the homicide victims. "Prior domestic violence is by far the number-one risk factor in these cases," Campbell said.
She also explained that most people who commit murder-suicide are non-Hispanic white males who kill their mates or former mates. Prior domestic violence is the greatest risk factor in these cases. Access to a gun is a significant risk factor, as are threats with a weapon, a stepchild in the home or estrangement. However, a past criminal history is not a reliable or significant predictor in murder-suicide.
In the aftermath of a family murder followed by a suicide, communities, police, researchers and others search for explanations. In difficult financial times, it may be natural to look for economic influences, especially when the killer has recently lost a job or has enormous financial problems. Campbell found that unemployment was a significant risk factor for murder-suicide but only when combined with a history of domestic violence. In other words, it was not a risk factor in and of itself but was something that tipped the scale following previous abuse.
Adams, author of Why Do They Kill? Men Who Murder Their Intimate Partners, offered his perspective based on years of research and experience working with domestic violence cases. His comments focused mostly on guns and jealousy in these violent crimes. When we consider prevention, guns are essentially the "low-hanging fruit," he suggested. He cited research, similar to Campbell's data, showing that 92 percent of murder-suicides involved a gun in a sample of 591 cases.
If you wished to make the point...here is the point. BTW..it does appear if the presence of a gun in the house is an aggravating factor.--however..is this about the gun/ Or is it a disturbed person always making sure to have one handy?
Also of note..it seems the presence of a step child is a common factor as well.
Now, had the op led with this...and a link to the current case--I'd have been on board..provisionally.
At the very least, this suggests that the argument that those of color..LGBT...do not commit the bulk of these crimes. Still..one would have to research the percentages as relates to the specific populations...how many gays kill their partners..as relates to total numbers of gay relationships, etc..
Too much work for me...I don't really care about this issue all that much.
Did you give him back the guns you stole from him, now that he's alright?Hmmm..you are correct, of course, as the the usual suspects being of a race or sexual orientation that fits the poster's agenda.Usually, USMB functions as a poster board for anyone wanting to announce that a black, a Muslim, an "illegal," or an LGBT has committed a heinous crime, even if others have committed the same or worse. There is always a picture of the perp to drive the point home. It seems like it is the straight white guys who are pushing this sort of crap, and the OP did a good thing in pointing out the hypocracy.
The assertion that this guy was not heterosexual is especially off the wall. He had two kids of his own, which implies his participation in several heterosexual acts, he was living with a woman, who also had two kids, and he killed all of them, except the woman was able to get away.
There is only talk of mental illness when a straight white guy is the perp, as black, brown, Muslim, and LGBTs can't be mentally ill.
It seems like there have been a lot of straight white guys massacring their families, though.
This is an awful tragedy, and the families must be beside themselves. There is nothing that can make it un-happen.
I disagree with the tactic of doing the exact same thing..as some kind of 'pointing out of hypocrisy'. If you wish the moral and ethical high ground..your actions must be better than your opponents..not the same as.
'Seems like'..is not really a very cogent term, now is it? I did a quick crawl...and adjusting for population percentages....it would appear that 'straight white guys' do commit most of these crimes:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/230412.pdf
Same link..non pdf Men Who Murder Their Families: What the Research Tells Us | National Institute of Justice
Anna D. Wolf Chair and professor at JHU's School of Nursing, discussed the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Violent Death Reporting System. Of the 408 homicide-suicide cases, most perpetrators were men (91 percent) and most used a gun (88 percent). A 12-city study that Campbell conducted of these cases found that intimate-partner violence had previously occurred in 70 percent of them. Interestingly, only 25 percent of prior domestic violence appeared in the arrest records, according to Campbell. Researchers uncovered much of the prior domestic violence through interviews with family and friends of the homicide victims. "Prior domestic violence is by far the number-one risk factor in these cases," Campbell said.
She also explained that most people who commit murder-suicide are non-Hispanic white males who kill their mates or former mates. Prior domestic violence is the greatest risk factor in these cases. Access to a gun is a significant risk factor, as are threats with a weapon, a stepchild in the home or estrangement. However, a past criminal history is not a reliable or significant predictor in murder-suicide.
In the aftermath of a family murder followed by a suicide, communities, police, researchers and others search for explanations. In difficult financial times, it may be natural to look for economic influences, especially when the killer has recently lost a job or has enormous financial problems. Campbell found that unemployment was a significant risk factor for murder-suicide but only when combined with a history of domestic violence. In other words, it was not a risk factor in and of itself but was something that tipped the scale following previous abuse.
Adams, author of Why Do They Kill? Men Who Murder Their Intimate Partners, offered his perspective based on years of research and experience working with domestic violence cases. His comments focused mostly on guns and jealousy in these violent crimes. When we consider prevention, guns are essentially the "low-hanging fruit," he suggested. He cited research, similar to Campbell's data, showing that 92 percent of murder-suicides involved a gun in a sample of 591 cases.
If you wished to make the point...here is the point. BTW..it does appear if the presence of a gun in the house is an aggravating factor.--however..is this about the gun/ Or is it a disturbed person always making sure to have one handy?
Also of note..it seems the presence of a step child is a common factor as well.
Now, had the op led with this...and a link to the current case--I'd have been on board..provisionally.
At the very least, this suggests that the argument that those of color..LGBT...do not commit the bulk of these crimes. Still..one would have to research the percentages as relates to the specific populations...how many gays kill their partners..as relates to total numbers of gay relationships, etc..
Too much work for me...I don't really care about this issue all that much.
I am at a loss as how to deal with this nonsense. I have done a lot of thinking on this, and have come to realize that there is no logical reasoning with these people. Some times it takes a verbal 2x4. I'm old enough to remember a time when things were, at least for whites, polite and gracious. Having all these whites come out a reveal themselves to be foul-mouthed people one would not have in one's home is very unnerving.
Thank you, though, for a very interesting article. I find this topic truly upsetting. With the growth of guns, this crime is just made easier.
BTW: I once had to sneak into the house of a relative and relieve him of his guns, knowing that he was mentally ill and untreated, and loved his guns. I did it after the doctors told me that I could not prove that he was a "danger to self or others," an impossible standard, and on the advise of counsel. I did it to prevent a suicide by cop and some poor village patrol officer having to live the rest of his life knowing that he shot someone. He's so much better now on meds and a supervised program. He even understands why I did it.It's amazing what a couple of tiny little pills can do to alter the functioning of the human brain.
Usually, USMB functions as a poster board for anyone wanting to announce that a black, a Muslim, an "illegal," or an LGBT has committed a heinous crime, even if others have committed the same or worse. There is always a picture of the perp to drive the point home. It seems like it is the straight white guys who are pushing this sort of crap, and the OP did a good thing in pointing out the hypocracy.
The assertion that this guy was not heterosexual is especially off the wall. He had two kids of his own, which implies his participation in several heterosexual acts, he was living with a woman, who also had two kids, and he killed all of them, except the woman was able to get away.
There is only talk of mental illness when a straight white guy is the perp, as black, brown, Muslim, and LGBTs can't be mentally ill.
It seems like there have been a lot of straight white guys massacring their families, though.
This is an awful tragedy, and the families must be beside themselves. There is nothing that can make it un-happen.
Having children make one straight?
What would indicate that all of the white men who massacre their own families are all gay? Your's is a perfectly ridiculous theory. I would have to assume that every man who has children with a woman is actually gay, regardless of whether or not they kill. I take that this means the donald and pigpence are gay.
Who’s excusing it? You’re just exposing your hostility toward the objects of your own bigotry.Feel free to excuse him......doesn't surprise me.So was it his whiteness, maleness, or heterosexuality that caused this crime? Or did the gun do it?Four children, suspect found dead after Orlando hostage situation, police say - CNN
Cop's in critical condition.....T's & P's
