Another perspective

[MarkDuffy]

Th

"at whites can did" And you say you have a college degree?


I find that claim suspect, sorry.

I also feel sorry that you don't feel the love shared between white and black brethren where I live.

You'll have to let it go or be eaten alive by the bile, though.

What you find suspect is irrelevant. I'm not letting a damn thing go until racism ends. I am a healthy man.Have been so my entire life and fighting racism is not going to eat anything. Doing what you say will.

I feel plenty of love between white and blacks here. But that doesn't mean there is no racism.

You know what I have been taught in this life is that when you got a bunch of people doing what you are doing, I am doing the right thing. The spiritual enemy always wants us to stop fighting for right.

How can the racism ever end if you never let it go?

The sociological/biological answer to that question is far simpler than people try to make it. As long as different races are competing for the same resources, racism will continue. The answer is the elephant in the room...

The answer IS simple. Natural selection will do its job. Racism will turn out to be a biological dead end.

 

[Vastator]

There are a lot of angry people out there, BlackSand. I'd love to think we could all do what you plan to do, but I think it is ignoring a problem that won't go away because we will it. I hope I'm wrong.

I understand what you are saying ... But it really isn't ignoring the problem as much as no longer enabling it.

There is nothing people in my generation can do to fix the crap that came before us.
We aren't responsible for the garbage your generations dumped in our laps.

Anyone is free to be angry about whatever they want to be angry about.
I am just saying we really don't need to humor that garbage any further.
It will do more harm than good in the long run ... It solves nothing ... It only festers more hatred.

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Just so you know, my generation is the one that chained ourselves to the Woolworth lunch counters and went south to get blacks registered to vote. We believed in equality and still do.

Has it panned out?

 

[BlackSand]

Just so you know, my generation is the one that chained ourselves to the Woolworth lunch counters and went south to get blacks registered to vote. We believed in equality and still do.

I can say that probably puts you in my grandparent's generation ...

I can also say that my grandparents weren't the same as you ... But I cannot/will not make apologies for them.
If you have issues you still need to deal with ... I cannot relieve your burden.

If you think I owe more than what I can accomplish or offer ... You are wrong.
If you think any two things are ever equal ... You are wrong ... Equality is an empty promise outside of mathematics.

.

 

[Vastator]

Th

"at whites can did" And you say you have a college degree?


I find that claim suspect, sorry.

I also feel sorry that you don't feel the love shared between white and black brethren where I live.

You'll have to let it go or be eaten alive by the bile, though.

What you find suspect is irrelevant. I'm not letting a damn thing go until racism ends. I am a healthy man.Have been so my entire life and fighting racism is not going to eat anything. Doing what you say will.

I feel plenty of love between white and blacks here. But that doesn't mean there is no racism.

You know what I have been taught in this life is that when you got a bunch of people doing what you are doing, I am doing the right thing. The spiritual enemy always wants us to stop fighting for right.

How can the racism ever end if you never let it go?

The sociological/biological answer to that question is far simpler than people try to make it. As long as different races are competing for the same resources, racism will continue. The answer is the elephant in the room...

The answer IS simple. Natural selection will do its job. Racism will turn out to be a biological dead end.

If that were true; races would never have differentiated to begin with... Or would have “settled” the matter at the point when one race became two. So... Indulge me... What evidence do you have, that strengthens this belief of yours?

 

[Marion Morrison]

OK we have had multiple threads about how blacks can do this or that and usually when the subject is turned to whites the thread gets trolled or moved. How about we look at a phenomenon called White Fragility. This is a term coined by a white female, Dr. Robin Deangelo.

White people in North America live in a social environment that protects and insulates them from race-based stress. This insulated environment of racial protection builds white expectations for racial comfort while at the same time lowering the ability to tolerate racial stress, leading to what I refer to as White Fragility. White Fragility is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium.”

“Any white person living in the United States will develop opinions about race simply by swimming in the water of our culture. But mainstream sources—schools, textbooks, media—don’t provide us with the multiple perspectives we need. Yes, we will develop strong emotionally laden opinions, but they will not be informed opinions. Our socialization renders us racially illiterate. When you add a lack of humility to that illiteracy (because we don’t know what we don’t know), you get the break-down we so often see when trying to engage white people in meaningful conversations about race.”

Dr. Robin DiAngelo

We have heard all the many ways blacks are fucked up and how we need to change according to the many whites here. How about we now look at what WHITES can did to erase the division by race in America?

Johnnie Turner says black people have to tell their stories. People have to hear the stories or they won't know. Instead of just bonking white people over the head for being ignorant racists, why not tell the stories that would help us SEE the other side. What happens here in discussion about race never gets us anywhere because no one's perspective gets changed. We can't walk in your shoes until you tell us what it is like on a daily basis. Don't scream it at us or exaggerate it. Just tell the stories.
Just a suggestion.

While I appreciate what you have said, whites have for the better part of 2.5 centuries beat us over the head about how worthless we are. And we have asked for that to stop. It doesn't. So then when we talk to whites, once again they try establishing the rules we have to follow in order to for them to listen. And that's one of the main problems with this kind of discussion. Whites need to hear the anger and in some cases the outright hate to understand exactly what their racism has done to people. I think it's highly unfair for whites to tell us that they won't listen unless we say it to them how they want to hear it. I know you mean no harm here old lady but that is exactly what you have done. We have told you what it was like for us for at least 241 years. We have been screamed at and killed for trying to do it as well. So in my view if screaming is warranted that's what should be done. Therefore let me help you see what you have just done,.

We aren't listening at all. YOU are responsible for your life. Not me, not the President, not the UN. George Soros thinks he can use you to cause grief for the USA. We aren't listening to him either.

You have the exact rights that I have. Scream all you want. You turn towns into ghettos, you created Chicago's new norm, You don't raise your children to be productive individuals. The drummer I hired to teach my youth group kids, had 11 kids of his own. He even knew where 2 of them were. Then we all got to watch him be arraigned for selling crack. Sadly, he is NOT the exception to the rule.

Ben Carson kept his zipper zipped, said no to the pipe and went to school. Emulate him instead of the drummer, and then watch your "privileges" improve. We aren't putting you in your place. YOU are the problem with you.

I'll continue to work hard to provide for my family and you go put a black hoodie on and hang out in the street. Paychecks are what make me look privileged to you.
I'll put in a new pool. I told the business I shouldn't have to pay for it because I am white, but contrary to what you believe, I had to pay for it just like Mr. Carson had to pay for his. What you consider privilege, others understand as a reward for a job well done. A paycheck.

And tomorrow, you'll put on your black hoodie, and whine about whitey's pool. I won't hear you, because I'll be in the pool............

Here is anther example the article was talking about.

Well you see, I went to college and got a masters degree in sociology. I then spent 32 years doing work in the black community. I have never hit the pipe or fathered a child out of wedlock. Ben Carson means nothing to me. He's a punk ass sellout whites like you love to use as an example because he do the bojangles for you ,wear the black face and shuffle like the black minstrel lawn jockey he is. I have helped build one business and helped 2 others grow. But that doesn't mean racism ended. I earned my checks bitch. All of them. So I will put on my black hoodie tomorrow and watch those like you cry about how whites are losing their country. And if I am standing on the street in my black hoodie it is because I am fucking retired. You know what that is? It is the reward for years of a well done job. So don't YOU be like the drummer, ignorant and whining about what privilege is. YOU and those like you are the problem. I'm part of the solution.

So you don't have to hear anything, but when the change hits and you ask what happened, you will understand that you drowned in your pool.

Sociology is a joke of a college credit. The best thing about it is learning art and artists.

The rest of it is a farce to the point of being comical.

Oh yes, me and my black friend were in the same Sociology class. He's now a preacher, but when it got to be being bullshit, I said something, and he was about the only one that supported me.

He's a smart man. A God-fearing one, too.

There's no way you believe in God and pursued a Master's in Sociology. It's like Satan's required college credit.

 

[IM2]

"at whites can did" And you say you have a college degree?


I find that claim suspect, sorry.

I also feel sorry that you don't feel the love shared between white and black brethren where I live.

You'll have to let it go or be eaten alive by the bile, though.

What you find suspect is irrelevant. I'm not letting a damn thing go until racism ends. I am a healthy man.Have been so my entire life and fighting racism is not going to eat anything. Doing what you say will.

I feel plenty of love between white and blacks here. But that doesn't mean there is no racism.

You know what I have been taught in this life is that when you got a bunch of people doing what you are doing, I am doing the right thing. The spiritual enemy always wants us to stop fighting for right.

How can the racism ever end if you never let it go?

Once again we see an example of white fragility.

In the dominant position, whites are almost always racially comfortable and thus have developed unchallenged expectations to remain so. We have not had to build tolerance for racial discomfort and thus when racial discomfort arises, whites typically respond as if something is “wrong,” and blame the person or event that triggered the discomfort (usually a person of color).

White Fragility: Why It's So Hard to Talk to White People About Racism -

 

[theDoctorisIn]

There are a lot of angry people out there, BlackSand. I'd love to think we could all do what you plan to do, but I think it is ignoring a problem that won't go away because we will it. I hope I'm wrong.

I understand what you are saying ... But it really isn't ignoring the problem as much as no longer enabling it.

There is nothing people in my generation can do to fix the crap that came before us.
We aren't responsible for the garbage your generations dumped in our laps.

Anyone is free to be angry about whatever they want to be angry about.
I am just saying we really don't need to humor that garbage any further.
It will do more harm than good in the long run ... It solves nothing ... It only festers more hatred.

.

I'm guessing you're of the same generation as me - and you're right, there is nothing we can do to "fix" what happened decades if not centuries before we were born.

But you're deluding yourself if you think that the only things that black people are "angry" about happened way back then.

Do you think that Black Lives Matter is marching against slavery and Jim Crow? Do you think they're "angry" about the distant past, or the present?

You are not responsible for the actions of anyone else - but you are the one declaring that right now, you won't listen.

 

[OldLady]

Just so you know, my generation is the one that chained ourselves to the Woolworth lunch counters and went south to get blacks registered to vote. We believed in equality and still do.

I can say that probably puts you in my grandparent's generation ...

I can also say that my grandparents weren't the same as you ... But I cannot/will not make apologies for them.
If you have issues you still need to deal with ... I cannot relieve your burden.

If you think I owe more than what I can accomplish or offer ... You are wrong.
If you think any two things are ever equal ... You are wrong ... Equality is an empty promise outside of mathematics.

.

Equality and justice are ideals, yes. I know our attempts are imperfect, but without having those ideals to strive for, what would we be? Animals, imo.
Sometimes you begin a battle knowing you can't possibly win. The fight is that important; you do it anyway. Race is only one of many.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Just so you know, my generation is the one that chained ourselves to the Woolworth lunch counters and went south to get blacks registered to vote. We believed in equality and still do.

I can say that probably puts you in my grandparent's generation ...

I can also say that my grandparents weren't the same as you ... But I cannot/will not make apologies for them.
If you have issues you still need to deal with ... I cannot relieve your burden.

If you think I owe more than what I can accomplish or offer ... You are wrong.
If you think any two things are ever equal ... You are wrong ... Equality is an empty promise outside of mathematics.

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You don't "owe" anything. No one is demanding anything of you. No one is attacking you. You are not the victim here.

Until you get your head wrapped around that, there's nowhere for this conversation to go.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Th

"at whites can did" And you say you have a college degree?


I find that claim suspect, sorry.

I also feel sorry that you don't feel the love shared between white and black brethren where I live.

You'll have to let it go or be eaten alive by the bile, though.

What you find suspect is irrelevant. I'm not letting a damn thing go until racism ends. I am a healthy man.Have been so my entire life and fighting racism is not going to eat anything. Doing what you say will.

I feel plenty of love between white and blacks here. But that doesn't mean there is no racism.

You know what I have been taught in this life is that when you got a bunch of people doing what you are doing, I am doing the right thing. The spiritual enemy always wants us to stop fighting for right.

How can the racism ever end if you never let it go?

The sociological/biological answer to that question is far simpler than people try to make it. As long as different races are competing for the same resources, racism will continue. The answer is the elephant in the room...

The answer IS simple. Natural selection will do its job. Racism will turn out to be a biological dead end.

If that were true; races would never have differentiated to begin with... Or would have “settled” the matter at the point when one race became two. So... Indulge me... What evidence do you have, that strengthens this belief of yours?

Race only exists as a social construct. It is not a biological phenomenon.

We (humans) did the "differentiating", not nature.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Th

"at whites can did" And you say you have a college degree?


I find that claim suspect, sorry.

I also feel sorry that you don't feel the love shared between white and black brethren where I live.

You'll have to let it go or be eaten alive by the bile, though.

What you find suspect is irrelevant. I'm not letting a damn thing go until racism ends. I am a healthy man.Have been so my entire life and fighting racism is not going to eat anything. Doing what you say will.

I feel plenty of love between white and blacks here. But that doesn't mean there is no racism.

You know what I have been taught in this life is that when you got a bunch of people doing what you are doing, I am doing the right thing. The spiritual enemy always wants us to stop fighting for right.

How can the racism ever end if you never let it go?

The sociological/biological answer to that question is far simpler than people try to make it. As long as different races are competing for the same resources, racism will continue. The answer is the elephant in the room...

The answer IS simple. Natural selection will do its job. Racism will turn out to be a biological dead end.

If that were true; races would never have differentiated to begin with... Or would have “settled” the matter at the point when one race became two. So... Indulge me... What evidence do you have, that strengthens this belief of yours?

You said it yourself

As long as different races are competing for the same resources

In olden days, races developed precisely due to the fact of separation and low populations of humans preventing interaction. It is now a very crowded world with interactions due to technology.

 

[impuretrash]

If you are a racist white, then yes you are morally inferior

Havent you read the article? White people are racist no matter what they do...

As I said - the delusion of victimhood.

If you actually read the article, which I doubt, you missed the point by a mile.

I did read the article and what I got from it is that in order not to be racist, us white people need to shut up when a "person of color" is speaking, not feel offended when they say racist things to us, go out and look for black folks to engage with and have yell at us...

That's not what the article said, that's what your delusions of victimhood translated it to.

Explain it to me then.

 

[BlackSand]

I'm guessing you're of the same generation as me - and you're right, there is nothing we can do to "fix" what happened decades if not centuries before we were born.

But you're deluding yourself if you think that the only things that black people are "angry" about happened way back then.

Do you think that Black Lives Matter is marching against slavery and Jim Crow? Do you think they're "angry" about the distant past, or the present?

You are not responsible for the actions of anyone else - but you are the one declaring that right now, you won't listen.

It isn't that I won't listen ... It is the fact I accept the world doesn't owe me anything.
People can be angry all they want ... No one owes them an audience.

We all have problems ... No one's problem are equal to anyone else's.
I don't have to hear your problems ... To wake up every morning and do what I can to try and make the community/world around me a better place.

If you do ... That's your problem ...
I don't want to hear your problems ... Tell me your solutions so we can get somewhere.

Edit:
If your solution is telling me your problems ... Go pound sand.

.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

If you are a racist white, then yes you are morally inferior

Havent you read the article? White people are racist no matter what they do...

As I said - the delusion of victimhood.

If you actually read the article, which I doubt, you missed the point by a mile.

I did read the article and what I got from it is that in order not to be racist, us white people need to shut up when a "person of color" is speaking, not feel offended when they say racist things to us, go out and look for black folks to engage with and have yell at us...

That's not what the article said, that's what your delusions of victimhood translated it to.

Explain it to me then.

No, I don't think I can.

If you want to understand it, you'll have to jettison your need to feel like a victim first.

You need to accept that no one is attacking you, and there's no need for you to get defensive.

Until you do that, there's nothing I can do to help you. You'll just dodge it, throw up your defenses, and stick your fingers in your ears.

Just like the article said you would.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I'm guessing you're of the same generation as me - and you're right, there is nothing we can do to "fix" what happened decades if not centuries before we were born.

But you're deluding yourself if you think that the only things that black people are "angry" about happened way back then.

Do you think that Black Lives Matter is marching against slavery and Jim Crow? Do you think they're "angry" about the distant past, or the present?

You are not responsible for the actions of anyone else - but you are the one declaring that right now, you won't listen.

It isn't that I won't listen ... It is the fact I accept the world doesn't owe me anything.
People can be angry all they want ... No one owes them an audience.

We all have problems ... No one's problem are equal to anyone else's.
I don't have to hear your problems ... To wake up every morning and do what I can to try and make the community/world around me a better place.

If you do ... That's your problem ...
I don't want to hear your problems ... tell me your solutions so we can get somewhere.

.

How can you "make the world a better place" if you don't know what the problems are?

How can you ask for solutions to problems you refuse to even hear, let alone accept?

You are not obligated to hear other people's problems. That is true. But that makes you selfish, not honorable. It's not something to brag about.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I'm guessing you're of the same generation as me - and you're right, there is nothing we can do to "fix" what happened decades if not centuries before we were born.

But you're deluding yourself if you think that the only things that black people are "angry" about happened way back then.

Do you think that Black Lives Matter is marching against slavery and Jim Crow? Do you think they're "angry" about the distant past, or the present?

You are not responsible for the actions of anyone else - but you are the one declaring that right now, you won't listen.

It isn't that I won't listen ... It is the fact I accept the world doesn't owe me anything.
People can be angry all they want ... No one owes them an audience.

We all have problems ... No one's problem are equal to anyone else's.
I don't have to hear your problems ... To wake up every morning and do what I can to try and make the community/world around me a better place.

If you do ... That's your problem ...
I don't want to hear your problems ... Tell me your solutions so we can get somewhere.

Edit:
If your solution is telling me your problems ... Go pound sand.

.

You're still not getting it.

This isn't about me. This isn't about you. This is about the world in general.

 

[impuretrash]

Havent you read the article? White people are racist no matter what they do...

As I said - the delusion of victimhood.

If you actually read the article, which I doubt, you missed the point by a mile.

I did read the article and what I got from it is that in order not to be racist, us white people need to shut up when a "person of color" is speaking, not feel offended when they say racist things to us, go out and look for black folks to engage with and have yell at us...

That's not what the article said, that's what your delusions of victimhood translated it to.

Explain it to me then.

No, I don't think I can.

If you want to understand it, you'll have to jettison your need to feel like a victim first.

You need to accept that no one is attacking you, and there's no need for you to get defensive.

Until you do that, there's nothing I can do to help you. You'll just dodge it, throw up your defenses, and stick your fingers in your ears.

Just like the article said you would.

I never said anyone is attacking me, and I'm not feeling defensive. Just...bored. As a white guy who claims to understand the issue better than I do, I'm asking you to explain it to me. According to the article, what can I do to help end racism..?

 

[IM2]

OK we have had multiple threads about how blacks can do this or that and usually when the subject is turned to whites the thread gets trolled or moved. How about we look at a phenomenon called White Fragility. This is a term coined by a white female, Dr. Robin Deangelo.

White people in North America live in a social environment that protects and insulates them from race-based stress. This insulated environment of racial protection builds white expectations for racial comfort while at the same time lowering the ability to tolerate racial stress, leading to what I refer to as White Fragility. White Fragility is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium.”

“Any white person living in the United States will develop opinions about race simply by swimming in the water of our culture. But mainstream sources—schools, textbooks, media—don’t provide us with the multiple perspectives we need. Yes, we will develop strong emotionally laden opinions, but they will not be informed opinions. Our socialization renders us racially illiterate. When you add a lack of humility to that illiteracy (because we don’t know what we don’t know), you get the break-down we so often see when trying to engage white people in meaningful conversations about race.”

Dr. Robin DiAngelo

We have heard all the many ways blacks are fucked up and how we need to change according to the many whites here. How about we now look at what WHITES can did to erase the division by race in America?

Johnnie Turner says black people have to tell their stories. People have to hear the stories or they won't know. Instead of just bonking white people over the head for being ignorant racists, why not tell the stories that would help us SEE the other side. What happens here in discussion about race never gets us anywhere because no one's perspective gets changed. We can't walk in your shoes until you tell us what it is like on a daily basis. Don't scream it at us or exaggerate it. Just tell the stories.
Just a suggestion.

While I appreciate what you have said, whites have for the better part of 2.5 centuries beat us over the head about how worthless we are. And we have asked for that to stop. It doesn't. So then when we talk to whites, once again they try establishing the rules we have to follow in order to for them to listen. And that's one of the main problems with this kind of discussion. Whites need to hear the anger and in some cases the outright hate to understand exactly what their racism has done to people. I think it's highly unfair for whites to tell us that they won't listen unless we say it to them how they want to hear it. I know you mean no harm here old lady but that is exactly what you have done. We have told you what it was like for us for at least 241 years. We have been screamed at and killed for trying to do it as well. So in my view if screaming is warranted that's what should be done. Therefore let me help you see what you have just done,.

We aren't listening at all. YOU are responsible for your life. Not me, not the President, not the UN. George Soros thinks he can use you to cause grief for the USA. We aren't listening to him either.

You have the exact rights that I have. Scream all you want. You turn towns into ghettos, you created Chicago's new norm, You don't raise your children to be productive individuals. The drummer I hired to teach my youth group kids, had 11 kids of his own. He even knew where 2 of them were. Then we all got to watch him be arraigned for selling crack. Sadly, he is NOT the exception to the rule.

Ben Carson kept his zipper zipped, said no to the pipe and went to school. Emulate him instead of the drummer, and then watch your "privileges" improve. We aren't putting you in your place. YOU are the problem with you.

I'll continue to work hard to provide for my family and you go put a black hoodie on and hang out in the street. Paychecks are what make me look privileged to you.
I'll put in a new pool. I told the business I shouldn't have to pay for it because I am white, but contrary to what you believe, I had to pay for it just like Mr. Carson had to pay for his. What you consider privilege, others understand as a reward for a job well done. A paycheck.

And tomorrow, you'll put on your black hoodie, and whine about whitey's pool. I won't hear you, because I'll be in the pool............

Here is anther example the article was talking about.

Well you see, I went to college and got a masters degree in sociology. I then spent 32 years doing work in the black community. I have never hit the pipe or fathered a child out of wedlock. Ben Carson means nothing to me. He's a punk ass sellout whites like you love to use as an example because he do the bojangles for you ,wear the black face and shuffle like the black minstrel lawn jockey he is. I have helped build one business and helped 2 others grow. But that doesn't mean racism ended. I earned my checks bitch. All of them. So I will put on my black hoodie tomorrow and watch those like you cry about how whites are losing their country. And if I am standing on the street in my black hoodie it is because I am fucking retired. You know what that is? It is the reward for years of a well done job. So don't YOU be like the drummer, ignorant and whining about what privilege is. YOU and those like you are the problem. I'm part of the solution.

So you don't have to hear anything, but when the change hits and you ask what happened, you will understand that you drowned in your pool.

Sociology is a joke of a college credit. The best thing about it is learning art and artists.

The rest of it is a farce to the point of being comical.

Oh yes, me and my black friend were in the same sociology class. He's now a preacher, but when it got to be being bullshit, I said something, and he was about the only one that supported me.

He's a smart man.

I don't think you learned about art or artists in intro o sociology. And that's looks like its a far as you went.

Because I took courses in Comparative social theory
Methods of Social Research
Youth and crime
Social Organization
Urban and Rural sociology
Classical and contemporary social theory
And a few others.

We weren't discussing artists in these classes. But it really didn't matter what I got any degree in. I could have gotten a degree in molecular science and you would have tried to belittle that. You're sad pathetic trash. Me and my black friend. You see I can tell you I have a black friend so I'm not a racist. Ebery body like you has that one back friend. Dillon Roof had that one black friend too.

 

[Vastator]

OK we have had multiple threads about how blacks can do this or that and usually when the subject is turned to whites the thread gets trolled or moved. How about we look at a phenomenon called White Fragility. This is a term coined by a white female, Dr. Robin Deangelo.

White people in North America live in a social environment that protects and insulates them from race-based stress. This insulated environment of racial protection builds white expectations for racial comfort while at the same time lowering the ability to tolerate racial stress, leading to what I refer to as White Fragility. White Fragility is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium.”

“Any white person living in the United States will develop opinions about race simply by swimming in the water of our culture. But mainstream sources—schools, textbooks, media—don’t provide us with the multiple perspectives we need. Yes, we will develop strong emotionally laden opinions, but they will not be informed opinions. Our socialization renders us racially illiterate. When you add a lack of humility to that illiteracy (because we don’t know what we don’t know), you get the break-down we so often see when trying to engage white people in meaningful conversations about race.”

Dr. Robin DiAngelo

We have heard all the many ways blacks are fucked up and how we need to change according to the many whites here. How about we now look at what WHITES can did to erase the division by race in America?

Johnnie Turner says black people have to tell their stories. People have to hear the stories or they won't know. Instead of just bonking white people over the head for being ignorant racists, why not tell the stories that would help us SEE the other side. What happens here in discussion about race never gets us anywhere because no one's perspective gets changed. We can't walk in your shoes until you tell us what it is like on a daily basis. Don't scream it at us or exaggerate it. Just tell the stories.
Just a suggestion.

While I appreciate what you have said, whites have for the better part of 2.5 centuries beat us over the head about how worthless we are. And we have asked for that to stop. It doesn't. So then when we talk to whites, once again they try establishing the rules we have to follow in order to for them to listen. And that's one of the main problems with this kind of discussion. Whites need to hear the anger and in some cases the outright hate to understand exactly what their racism has done to people. I think it's highly unfair for whites to tell us that they won't listen unless we say it to them how they want to hear it. I know you mean no harm here old lady but that is exactly what you have done. We have told you what it was like for us for at least 241 years. We have been screamed at and killed for trying to do it as well. So in my view if screaming is warranted that's what should be done. Therefore let me help you see what you have just done,.

We aren't listening at all. YOU are responsible for your life. Not me, not the President, not the UN. George Soros thinks he can use you to cause grief for the USA. We aren't listening to him either.

You have the exact rights that I have. Scream all you want. You turn towns into ghettos, you created Chicago's new norm, You don't raise your children to be productive individuals. The drummer I hired to teach my youth group kids, had 11 kids of his own. He even knew where 2 of them were. Then we all got to watch him be arraigned for selling crack. Sadly, he is NOT the exception to the rule.

Ben Carson kept his zipper zipped, said no to the pipe and went to school. Emulate him instead of the drummer, and then watch your "privileges" improve. We aren't putting you in your place. YOU are the problem with you.

I'll continue to work hard to provide for my family and you go put a black hoodie on and hang out in the street. Paychecks are what make me look privileged to you.
I'll put in a new pool. I told the business I shouldn't have to pay for it because I am white, but contrary to what you believe, I had to pay for it just like Mr. Carson had to pay for his. What you consider privilege, others understand as a reward for a job well done. A paycheck.

And tomorrow, you'll put on your black hoodie, and whine about whitey's pool. I won't hear you, because I'll be in the pool............

Here is anther example the article was talking about.

Well you see, I went to college and got a masters degree in sociology. I then spent 32 years doing work in the black community. I have never hit the pipe or fathered a child out of wedlock. Ben Carson means nothing to me. He's a punk ass sellout whites like you love to use as an example because he do the bojangles for you ,wear the black face and shuffle like the black minstrel lawn jockey he is. I have helped build one business and helped 2 others grow. But that doesn't mean racism ended. I earned my checks bitch. All of them. So I will put on my black hoodie tomorrow and watch those like you cry about how whites are losing their country. And if I am standing on the street in my black hoodie it is because I am fucking retired. You know what that is? It is the reward for years of a well done job. So don't YOU be like the drummer, ignorant and whining about what privilege is. YOU and those like you are the problem. I'm part of the solution.

So you don't have to hear anything, but when the change hits and you ask what happened, you will understand that you drowned in your pool.

Sociology is a joke of a college credit. The best thing about it is learning art and artists.

The rest of it is a farce to the point of being comical.

Oh yes, me and my black friend were in the same Sociology class. He's now a preacher, but when it got to be being bullshit, I said something, and he was about the only one that supported me.

He's a smart man. A God-fearing one, too.

There's no way you believe in God and pursued a Master's in Sociology. It's like Satan's required college credit.

Indeed. Sociology is a worthless bullshit degree that anyone can attain. You know how to tell when you have a worthless bullshit degree? When the degree you have can only get you a job a governmentally funded institution. When you cannot take that degree into the private sector and substantially increase your earnings; you know you have a bullshit degree that only gets your foot in the door at one of these “make-work”, government subsidized institutions. Which are little more than glorified welfare. You know how to tell if you’re at one of these institutions? See if there is a private sector market for the same “services” operating in competition with where you work; operating in your area... Sociology... nigga please...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

As I said - the delusion of victimhood.

If you actually read the article, which I doubt, you missed the point by a mile.

I did read the article and what I got from it is that in order not to be racist, us white people need to shut up when a "person of color" is speaking, not feel offended when they say racist things to us, go out and look for black folks to engage with and have yell at us...

That's not what the article said, that's what your delusions of victimhood translated it to.

Explain it to me then.

No, I don't think I can.

If you want to understand it, you'll have to jettison your need to feel like a victim first.

You need to accept that no one is attacking you, and there's no need for you to get defensive.

Until you do that, there's nothing I can do to help you. You'll just dodge it, throw up your defenses, and stick your fingers in your ears.

Just like the article said you would.

I never said anyone is attacking me, and I'm not feeling defensive. Just...bored. As a white guy who claims to understand the issue better than I do, I'm asking you to explain it to me. According to the article, what can I do to help end racism..?

Every single post you've made in this thread has been defensive, and crafted to make you feel victimized.