Another Liberal Myth Exploded

[Marxist]

The law is whatever the citizens decide it to be. If the citizens decide that it's their business to know, they will know. Any businesses that don't like it can get the fuck out. See if Putin will give you better terms.

Fortunately we have something called the Constitution of the United States which offers investors some protection against the tyranny of whiny sniveling socialists and their endless demands for more of that which is not theirs. This is where they would take us:
INEPTOCRACY - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or even try are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

Neither Capitalism nor the free enterprise system is included in the Constitution.

Nor is socialism but the freedom to pursue happiness, prosperity and my best interest certainly is protected, Princess, as is protection from unreasonable seizure of my property. You know ... all that you whiney socialists would have us surrender.

Socialism is simply collective ownership of production, really, your property? Did you build the factory by yourself, assemble the machines?

Didn't need a factory or machinery but what I didn't build myself I used my treasure to pay others - you know ... creating JOBS - or rented, essentially exchanging my treasure for the use of others capital assets. They, in turn used their treasure - some of which came from me - to purchase my services. See how efficiently capitalism maximizes the value of ones work?

The whole idea of t

Socialism is simply collective ownership of production, really, your property? Did you build the factory by yourself, assemble the machines?

Yes... I did. Because it was my money that built the factory, and it was my contracts which got the money... and my initiative that got the contracts... without which there would be no contracts, thus no money, thus no incentive for Labor to do anything, thus no labor being pulled together by me, to build machines being built in my factories.

But in fairness to you Karl... if you were bright enough to understand that, LOL! you wouldn't be spouting that Relativist drivel.

See how that works?

So, you did nothing but sick back exploiting actual workers?

 

[SAYIT]

I agree but we both know if leftists are breathing, they're whining.

I find they are often right about the issue, just wrong about how to fix it. Take this issue for example. I think it's obvious too much inequality slows the economy so is bad for the country. I don't however think I would agree with any liberal solutions to the problem.

I find them less than often to be right about the issues, perhaps because I have little patience for adult whining and generally speaking market forces will tend towards a natural equilibrium. Using the heavy hand - and armed force - of gov't to fiddle with the equation is not just a slippery slope, it's just plain wrong.

 

[SAYIT]

Didn't need a factory or machinery but what I didn't build myself I used my treasure to pay others - you know ... creating JOBS - or rented, essentially exchanging my treasure for the use of others capital assets. They, in turn used their treasure - some of which came from me - to purchase my services. See how efficiently capitalism maximizes the value of ones work?

Fantasy Island I think. C'mon, you a fork lift operator or do you run a punch press?

I didn't need fork lifts or presses (I've operated heavy equip) but if I did I would have contracted (employed) someone who would. My treasure for his labor. It's called a job and some people are smart enough to understand the value of one who creates them. Then, of course, there are whiny loony leftists.

 

[Brain357]

I agree but we both know if leftists are breathing, they're whining.

I find they are often right about the issue, just wrong about how to fix it. Take this issue for example. I think it's obvious too much inequality slows the economy so is bad for the country. I don't however think I would agree with any liberal solutions to the problem.

I find them less than often to be right about the issues, perhaps because I have little patience for adult whining and generally speaking market forces will tend towards a natural equilibrium. Using the heavy hand - and armed force - of gov't to fiddle with the equation is not just a slippery slope, it's just plain wrong.

Well that is why I often don't agree with the solution. I think it often makes the issue worse. But I have similar issues with conservatives. They clearly know we should balance the budget, but they still don't. Bush was handed a balanced budget and gave it away wih spending and tax cuts. Walker can't balance the budget in wi as he keeps giving cuts. I believe Christie has same issue in nj. With all our debt problems repubs want to eliminate the estate tax.

 

[SAYIT]

Didn't need a factory or machinery but what I didn't build myself I used my treasure to pay others - you know ... creating JOBS - or rented, essentially exchanging my treasure for the use of others capital assets. They, in turn used their treasure - some of which came from me - to purchase my services. See how efficiently capitalism maximizes the value of ones work?

Fantasy Island I think. C'mon, you a fork lift operator or do you run a punch press?

I'm not surprised - but once again disappointed - to find a loony leftist who believes the only two kinds of productive labor are fork lift and punch press operators. No wonder they never get anywhere.

 

[SAYIT]

Good point but not how you think. America made a conscience decision beginning in the 1970s to clean up our environment. That required regulations which squeezed whole industries out of our country. In a sense, we exported those industries and the jobs to countries that would accept them and the pollution they create. Now the same voices that screamed loudest for the regulations are whining about the jobs lost. I for one think it was a smart trade-off but I'm not hypocritical enough to complain about those job losses.

I think it was a very smart trade-off. China has been growing fast but they will one day have a very expensive mess to clean up.

Yeah, but next the hand-wringing, Chicken Little loony leftists will be blaming America for "exploiting" poor 3rd World countries by exporting our "dirty" industries. Hypocritical fuktards.

Where would those 3rd world countries be without them? They need something.

I agree but we both know if leftists are breathing, they're whining.

What would they be without rampant exploitation? You tell me

No one forced those countries to develop their smokestack industries. We created a vacuum when we regulated ours out of biz and the 3rd World eagerly filled the void. As already noted, "Where would those 3rd world countries be without them? They need something."
You seem to have a need to blame America for others choices.

 

[SAYIT]

I agree but we both know if leftists are breathing, they're whining.

I find they are often right about the issue, just wrong about how to fix it. Take this issue for example. I think it's obvious too much inequality slows the economy so is bad for the country. I don't however think I would agree with any liberal solutions to the problem.

I find them less than often to be right about the issues, perhaps because I have little patience for adult whining and generally speaking market forces will tend towards a natural equilibrium. Using the heavy hand - and armed force - of gov't to fiddle with the equation is not just a slippery slope, it's just plain wrong.

Well that is why I often don't agree with the solution. I think it often makes the issue worse. But I have similar issues with conservatives. They clearly know we should balance the budget, but they still don't. Bush was handed a balanced budget and gave it away with spending and tax cuts. Walker can't balance the budget in wi as he keeps giving cuts. I believe Christie has same issue in nj. With all our debt problems repubs want to eliminate the estate tax.

Totally different subject. In this thread it's clearly America's capitalism vs. whiny sniveling socialists who believe "you didn't build that!"

 

[Marxist]

I agree but we both know if leftists are breathing, they're whining.

I find they are often right about the issue, just wrong about how to fix it. Take this issue for example. I think it's obvious too much inequality slows the economy so is bad for the country. I don't however think I would agree with any liberal solutions to the problem.

I find them less than often to be right about the issues, perhaps because I have little patience for adult whining and generally speaking market forces will tend towards a natural equilibrium. Using the heavy hand - and armed force - of gov't to fiddle with the equation is not just a slippery slope, it's just plain wrong.

Well that is why I often don't agree with the solution. I think it often makes the issue worse. But I have similar issues with conservatives. They clearly know we should balance the budget, but they still don't. Bush was handed a balanced budget and gave it away with spending and tax cuts. Walker can't balance the budget in wi as he keeps giving cuts. I believe Christie has same issue in nj. With all our debt problems repubs want to eliminate the estate tax.

Totally different subject. In this thread it's clearly America's capitalism vs. whiny sniveling socialists who believe "you didn't build that!"

You literally didn't build anything

 

[Marxist]

I think it was a very smart trade-off. China has been growing fast but they will one day have a very expensive mess to clean up.

Yeah, but next the hand-wringing, Chicken Little loony leftists will be blaming America for "exploiting" poor 3rd World countries by exporting our "dirty" industries. Hypocritical fuktards.

Where would those 3rd world countries be without them? They need something.

I agree but we both know if leftists are breathing, they're whining.

What would they be without rampant exploitation? You tell me

No one forced those countries to develop their smokestack industries. We created a vacuum when we regulated ours out of biz and the 3rd World eagerly filled the void. As already noted, "Where would those 3rd world countries be without them? They need something."
You seem to have a need to blame America for others choices.

I blame the consistent imperialism and exploitation of third world countries for centuries.

 

[Marxist]

Didn't need a factory or machinery but what I didn't build myself I used my treasure to pay others - you know ... creating JOBS - or rented, essentially exchanging my treasure for the use of others capital assets. They, in turn used their treasure - some of which came from me - to purchase my services. See how efficiently capitalism maximizes the value of ones work?

Fantasy Island I think. C'mon, you a fork lift operator or do you run a punch press?

I'm not surprised - but once again disappointed - to find a loony leftist who believes the only two kinds of productive labor are fork lift and punch press operators. No wonder they never get anywhere.

What is productive labor? Being a wall street worker? Signing contracts?

 

[Brain357]

I agree but we both know if leftists are breathing, they're whining.

I find they are often right about the issue, just wrong about how to fix it. Take this issue for example. I think it's obvious too much inequality slows the economy so is bad for the country. I don't however think I would agree with any liberal solutions to the problem.

I find them less than often to be right about the issues, perhaps because I have little patience for adult whining and generally speaking market forces will tend towards a natural equilibrium. Using the heavy hand - and armed force - of gov't to fiddle with the equation is not just a slippery slope, it's just plain wrong.

Well that is why I often don't agree with the solution. I think it often makes the issue worse. But I have similar issues with conservatives. They clearly know we should balance the budget, but they still don't. Bush was handed a balanced budget and gave it away with spending and tax cuts. Walker can't balance the budget in wi as he keeps giving cuts. I believe Christie has same issue in nj. With all our debt problems repubs want to eliminate the estate tax.

Totally different subject. In this thread it's clearly America's capitalism vs. whiny sniveling socialists who believe "you didn't build that!"

But grossly overpaid ceos is real. We would have a much stronger economy if more $$ went to lower workers rather than funneling so much to the top.

In the 60s a ceo made 40x the average worker. I see no reason why it should now balloon way up to do the same job.

 

[Marxist]

Didn't need a factory or machinery but what I didn't build myself I used my treasure to pay others - you know ... creating JOBS - or rented, essentially exchanging my treasure for the use of others capital assets. They, in turn used their treasure - some of which came from me - to purchase my services. See how efficiently capitalism maximizes the value of ones work?

Fantasy Island I think. C'mon, you a fork lift operator or do you run a punch press?

I didn't need fork lifts or presses (I've operated heavy equip) but if I did I would have contracted (employed) someone who would. My treasure for his labor. It's called a job and some people are smart enough to understand the value of one who creates them. Then, of course, there are whiny loony leftists.

The whole concept is that they don't really own the factory, it'd be a great justice to workers if they got the means of production back from the exploiting capitalist

 

[SAYIT]

People aren't complaining about the CEO's who make reasonable incomes.

Of course they are. Some of your Hammer & Sickle comrades here are screaming, "eat the rich!"
And who gets to determine what is reasonable? You, Zeke and Marxist?

 

[Marxist]

People aren't complaining about the CEO's who make reasonable incomes.

Of course they are. Some of your Hammer & Sickle comrades here are screaming, "eat the rich!"
And who gets to determine what is reasonable? You, Zeke and Marxist?

I've been screaming to end capitalism and the truly horrid capitalists, not the petty capitalists who own small businesses.

 

[SAYIT]

I get the impression that some of these "socialists" are really just masochists in need of some abuse.
Or perhaps most socialists are just masochists by nature.

That's why I'm here!

And what I like most about you.

 

[Marxist]

I get the impression that some of these "socialists" are really just masochists in need of some abuse.
Or perhaps most socialists are just masochists by nature.

That's why I'm here!

And what I like most about you.

I get the impression that you don't understand masochism

 

[SAYIT]

People aren't complaining about the CEO's who make reasonable incomes.

Of course they are. Some of your Hammer & Sickle comrades here are screaming, "eat the rich!"
And who gets to determine what is reasonable? You, Zeke and Marxist?

I've been screaming to end capitalism and the truly horrid capitalists, not the petty capitalists who own small businesses.

You can't get a little pregnant, Princess.
Those "petty capitalists" are working hard to be the next "truly horrid capitalists," you arrogant weenie. Meanwhile you whiny loony leftists just sit on the sideline while hypocritically enjoying the fruits of our labor.
Get off your lazy duff and get into the game.

 

[jillian]

Hillary earns more per hour than the top ten CEOs

By one measure Hillary earned more than America s top 10 CEOs WashingtonExaminer.com

that's funny.

why aren't you posting what carly Fiorina's golden parachute was when she left HP.

she got a $45 million when she was fired for screwing up the company and 20,000 of her employees were laid off.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Socialism is simply collective ownership of production, really, your property? Did you build the factory by yourself, assemble the machines?

Yes... I did. Because it was my money that built the factory, and it was my contracts which got the money... and my initiative that got the contracts... without which there would be no contracts, thus no money, thus no incentive for Labor to do anything, thus no labor being pulled together by me, to build machines being built in my factories.

But in fairness to you Karl... if you were bright enough to understand that, LOL! you wouldn't be spouting that Relativist drivel.

See how that works?

So, you did nothing but sick back exploiting actual workers?

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted Karl.

LOL! You're even less effective in this sock... which is hard to believe, but hey... the record is right there and is irrefutable.

 

[Marxist]

People aren't complaining about the CEO's who make reasonable incomes.

Of course they are. Some of your Hammer & Sickle comrades here are screaming, "eat the rich!"
And who gets to determine what is reasonable? You, Zeke and Marxist?

I've been screaming to end capitalism and the truly horrid capitalists, not the petty capitalists who own small businesses.

You can't get a little pregnant, Princess.
Those "petty capitalists" are working hard to be the next "truly horrid capitalists," you arrogant weenie. Meanwhile you whiny loony leftists just sit on the sideline while hypocritically enjoying the fruits of our labor.
Get off your lazy duff and get into the game.

But they are not their yet, that's the key thing, and the odds of them getting to the point of exploiting third world countries is low. Your labor? What the fuck do you do, work on excel spreadsheets? Or do you build roads, maintain farms, assemble machinery.. If capitalists throw out crony capitalism, I'll throw out the petty capitalist