Angle referrs to Social Security as WELFARE!

[JakeStarkey]

I agree, Dude, that it imitates many private businesses that handle investors' monies.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Consider what it really means when SOCIAL SECURITY benefits can be changed.

Social Security was SOCIAL CONTRACT was it not?

People paid into that CONTRACT and now when its time for some of us to reap the benefits of the contract, the payout is changing.

Nice, huh?

That's what you get for relying on the government.

 

[Oddball]

I agree, Dude, that it imitates many private businesses that handle investors' monies.

I get it...You're being a brain dead imbecile on purpose!

How many private businesses can throw you into prison for refusing to buy their defective product, and when will just one congressweasel ever be prosecuted for perpetrating this massive fraud?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Now you are being a dud again. No one is going to get thrown in prison. No one has to buy health insurance. And that you believe it is a fraud is a meaningless statement. One, we can vote out congressmen. Two, private businesses buy lawyers and protection from the law. Your far right position is absolutely untenable, constitutionally and rationally.

 

[Oddball]

Right...Just stop paying into FICA because nobody can force you to pay in and see what happens next.

Then, set up and run a "trust fund" using the model for Socialist Insecurity and see how long you can keep the SEC out off your ass.

Go ahead...I dare ya.

 

[Care4all]

Consider what it really means when SOCIAL SECURITY benefits can be changed.

Social Security was SOCIAL CONTRACT was it not?

People paid into that CONTRACT and now when its time for some of us to reap the benefits of the contract, the payout is changing.

Nice, huh?

That's what you get for relying on the government.

ohhhh, i would not leave the private sector out of this Taz....many private employers promised retirement benefits to their employees that have now gone belly up from mismanaging their funds.....

 

[Oddball]

Consider what it really means when SOCIAL SECURITY benefits can be changed.

Social Security was SOCIAL CONTRACT was it not?

People paid into that CONTRACT and now when its time for some of us to reap the benefits of the contract, the payout is changing.

Nice, huh?

That's what you get for relying on the government.

ohhhh, i would not leave the private sector out of this Taz....many private employers promised retirement benefits to their employees that have now gone belly up from mismanaging their funds.....

When will the federal gubmint go out of business for such mismanagement and when will the mismanagers be held to account?

At least Jeff Skilling, Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff went to jail.

 

[DiamondDave]

You are aware that Ravi and several other liberals on this board believe that not only Social Security is welfare but that military retirement pay is also?

Really? I would love to hear them comment on that.

He's an idiot. SS is not welfare, it is a return of money taken out of your paycheck.

And military retirement pay is a social program...if RetardedSargent wants to pretend a social program is welfare...well, he is retarded.

Military retirement is no more a 'social program' than your 401K or retirement fund is....

Just because you want it to be so that you can take a crack at vets who EARNED all of their benefits, does not make it so bitch

 

[JakeStarkey]

Right...Just stop paying into FICA because nobody can force you to pay in and see what happens next.

Then, set up and run a "trust fund" using the model for Socialist Insecurity and see how long you can keep the SEC out off your ass.

Go ahead...I dare ya.

Edit: I mistook the point of argument. My aplogy. I agree if one messes with FICA, then one will pay the piper. So what?

 

[Care4all]

That's what you get for relying on the government.

ohhhh, i would not leave the private sector out of this Taz....many private employers promised retirement benefits to their employees that have now gone belly up from mismanaging their funds.....

When will the federal gubmint go out of business for such mismanagement and when will the mismanagers be held to account?

At least Jeff Skilling, Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff went to jail.

none of those guys went to jail for mismanaging the company's retirement funds? so, i'm not certain on how they relate?

 

[Oddball]

ohhhh, i would not leave the private sector out of this Taz....many private employers promised retirement benefits to their employees that have now gone belly up from mismanaging their funds.....

When will the federal gubmint go out of business for such mismanagement and when will the mismanagers be held to account?

At least Jeff Skilling, Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff went to jail.

none of those guys went to jail for mismanaging the company's retirement funds? so, i'm not certain on how they relate?

When is any congrssweaasel who has mismanaged the OASI fund going to be bunking with Bernie Madoff?

 

[antagon]

Military retirement is no more a 'social program' than your 401K or retirement fund is....

Just because you want it to be so that you can take a crack at vets who EARNED all of their benefits, does not make it so bitch

no, ddave. the government takes money through tax and pays it to veterans. it pays out to cripples, moms and their kids, and old folks. it pays for criminal's food and shelter in prison.

these are all social entitlements. some are more worthy than others by my estimate; some are 'earned', but it doesn't change the way they work, who they are managed by and how they are funded.

a 401k is an investment fund that is privately managed. you earn the money and you and your employer agree to pay it into the fund.

 

[DiamondDave]

Military retirement is no more a 'social program' than your 401K or retirement fund is....

Just because you want it to be so that you can take a crack at vets who EARNED all of their benefits, does not make it so bitch

no, ddave. the government takes money through tax and pays it to veterans. it pays out to cripples, moms and their kids, and old folks. it pays for criminal's food and shelter in prison.

these are all social entitlements. some are more worthy than others by my estimate; some are 'earned', but it doesn't change the way they work, who they are managed by and how they are funded.

a 401k is an investment fund that is privately managed. you earn the money and you and your employer agree to pay it into the fund.

No, idiot... the government is acting as an EMPLOYER to the EMPLOYEES of the US Military... it is no different than any other BENEFIT situation that is negotiated for employment compensation... a SOCIAL PROGRAM does not equate to a employment benefit

but thanks for playing... please see Don Pardo for some lovely parting gifts

 

[JimH52]

Bottom line: Social Servies is not Welfare and neither is Veterans Pensions. Those of you who argue they are should be thankful that SSI in there, when you mental impairment is eventually discovered.

 

[Oddball]

Non sequitur.

Whether or not someone is thankful that SS is there is irrelevant to the fact that is is a welfare Ponzi scheme.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Bottom line: Social Servies is not Welfare and neither is Veterans Pensions. Those of you who argue they are should be thankful that SSI in there, when you mental impairment is eventually discovered.

There are social services that are welfare: food stamps, Section 8, Medicaid.

 

[JimH52]

Bottom line: Social Servies is not Welfare and neither is Veterans Pensions. Those of you who argue they are should be thankful that SSI in there, when you mental impairment is eventually discovered.

There are social services that are welfare: food stamps, Section 8, Medicaid.

Right and Social Security and Military Pensions do not fit in that category.

 

[Oddball]

Non sequitur, yet again.

Military pensions are a fringe benefit for service rendered. Socialist Insecurity is outright confiscation and redistribution.

 

[Ravi]

Really? I would love to hear them comment on that.

He's an idiot. SS is not welfare, it is a return of money taken out of your paycheck.

And military retirement pay is a social program...if RetardedSargent wants to pretend a social program is welfare...well, he is retarded.

Military retirement is no more a 'social program' than your 401K or retirement fund is....

Just because you want it to be so that you can take a crack at vets who EARNED all of their benefits, does not make it so bitch

401 K and retirement funds are also social programs, bitch.

 

[DiamondDave]

He's an idiot. SS is not welfare, it is a return of money taken out of your paycheck.

And military retirement pay is a social program...if RetardedSargent wants to pretend a social program is welfare...well, he is retarded.

Military retirement is no more a 'social program' than your 401K or retirement fund is....

Just because you want it to be so that you can take a crack at vets who EARNED all of their benefits, does not make it so bitch

401 K and retirement funds are also social programs, bitch.

No... they are not... they are a service provided as compensation for employment services rendered.... a government provided entitlement regardless of any service rendered by the person receiving benefit would be a social program

You see... welfare, subsidies, entitlements... those would indeed be social programs.... something you derive out of agreed to compensation for services rendered from employment is not a social program (whether or not it is government employment or private employment)... it is easy to understand... unless you are a winger trying to find another way to bash veterans and those who have served