Angle referrs to Social Security as WELFARE!

[antagon]

Military retirement is no more a 'social program' than your 401K or retirement fund is....

Just because you want it to be so that you can take a crack at vets who EARNED all of their benefits, does not make it so bitch

no, ddave. the government takes money through tax and pays it to veterans. it pays out to cripples, moms and their kids, and old folks. it pays for criminal's food and shelter in prison.

these are all social entitlements. some are more worthy than others by my estimate; some are 'earned', but it doesn't change the way they work, who they are managed by and how they are funded.

a 401k is an investment fund that is privately managed. you earn the money and you and your employer agree to pay it into the fund.

No, idiot... the government is acting as an EMPLOYER to the EMPLOYEES of the US Military... it is no different than any other BENEFIT situation that is negotiated for employment compensation... a SOCIAL PROGRAM does not equate to a employment benefit

but thanks for playing... please see Don Pardo for some lovely parting gifts

i fail to see why it matters whether it is an employment promise or a citizenship promise or an american babies promise. if you think that social security or military pensions are some kind of protected fund that the government has set aside for us, perhaps you're the idiot.

my dumbass sees the government extract cash from me, my company and my employees, use it with the same discretion as income taxes for all intents and purposes, then pay it out to welfare recipients, veterans, old timers, cripples, medicare providers, etc.

the issue is that your hypocritical ass wants to deride the government's 'redistribution of wealth' and engage in denial of the ways which entitlements work in our economy. when faced with the reality that you've got gubmint milk squirting from a communal teet into your bank account, you scramble to bullshit your way out of the hot seat.

you said it yourself in all caps: BENEFIT. the government doesn't set aside a bit of what they would have paid you cash when a veteran was on active duty, rather, just like your active duty government paychecks, your veteran status government paycheck comes from income taxes, social security and medicare contributions along with flagrant borrowing. the same thing could be said of any given welfare mom.

if you want to argue how much more important you are than benefit chics, you're welcome to. i might even agree. but your contention that pensions are on some magic high ground precluded from progressive welfare policy is bullshit.

 

[Douger]

Pretty soon they'll name your IRA's, gold and gov't retardedment " hoarding", and take it all.

 

[Ravi]

no, ddave. the government takes money through tax and pays it to veterans. it pays out to cripples, moms and their kids, and old folks. it pays for criminal's food and shelter in prison.

these are all social entitlements. some are more worthy than others by my estimate; some are 'earned', but it doesn't change the way they work, who they are managed by and how they are funded.

a 401k is an investment fund that is privately managed. you earn the money and you and your employer agree to pay it into the fund.

No, idiot... the government is acting as an EMPLOYER to the EMPLOYEES of the US Military... it is no different than any other BENEFIT situation that is negotiated for employment compensation... a SOCIAL PROGRAM does not equate to a employment benefit

but thanks for playing... please see Don Pardo for some lovely parting gifts

i fail to see why it matters whether it is an employment promise or a citizenship promise or an american babies promise. if you think that social security or military pensions are some kind of protected fund that the government has set aside for us, perhaps you're the idiot.

my dumbass sees the government extract cash from me, my company and my employees, use it with the same discretion as income taxes for all intents and purposes, then pay it out to welfare recipients, veterans, old timers, cripples, medicare providers, etc.

the issue is that your hypocritical ass wants to deride the government's 'redistribution of wealth' and engage in denial of the ways which entitlements work in our economy. when faced with the reality that you've got gubmint milk squirting from a communal teet into your bank account, you scramble to bullshit your way out of the hot seat.

you said it yourself in all caps: BENEFIT. the government doesn't set aside a bit of what they would have paid you cash when a veteran was on active duty, rather, just like your active duty government paychecks, your veteran status government paycheck comes from income taxes, social security and medicare contributions along with flagrant borrowing. the same thing could be said of any given welfare mom.

if you want to argue how much more important you are than benefit chics, you're welcome to. i might even agree. but your contention that pensions are on some magic high ground precluded from progressive welfare policy is bullshit.

 

[DiamondDave]

a social program or social welfare program is by definition available to all

Military protection is available to all...and so is the opportunity to serve and partake in whatever benefits are offered by the US taxpayer (well, not the retarded or criminal but they also lose other social benefits).

But the COMPENSATION... which you specifically mentioned... is NOT available to all... sorry, thank you for playing...

EMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION IS NOT A SOCIAL PROGRAM

 

[DiamondDave]

no, ddave. the government takes money through tax and pays it to veterans. it pays out to cripples, moms and their kids, and old folks. it pays for criminal's food and shelter in prison.

these are all social entitlements. some are more worthy than others by my estimate; some are 'earned', but it doesn't change the way they work, who they are managed by and how they are funded.

a 401k is an investment fund that is privately managed. you earn the money and you and your employer agree to pay it into the fund.

No, idiot... the government is acting as an EMPLOYER to the EMPLOYEES of the US Military... it is no different than any other BENEFIT situation that is negotiated for employment compensation... a SOCIAL PROGRAM does not equate to a employment benefit

but thanks for playing... please see Don Pardo for some lovely parting gifts

i fail to see why it matters whether it is an employment promise or a citizenship promise or an american babies promise. if you think that social security or military pensions are some kind of protected fund that the government has set aside for us, perhaps you're the idiot.

my dumbass sees the government extract cash from me, my company and my employees, use it with the same discretion as income taxes for all intents and purposes, then pay it out to welfare recipients, veterans, old timers, cripples, medicare providers, etc.

the issue is that your hypocritical ass wants to deride the government's 'redistribution of wealth' and engage in denial of the ways which entitlements work in our economy. when faced with the reality that you've got gubmint milk squirting from a communal teet into your bank account, you scramble to bullshit your way out of the hot seat.

you said it yourself in all caps: BENEFIT. the government doesn't set aside a bit of what they would have paid you cash when a veteran was on active duty, rather, just like your active duty government paychecks, your veteran status government paycheck comes from income taxes, social security and medicare contributions along with flagrant borrowing. the same thing could be said of any given welfare mom.

if you want to argue how much more important you are than benefit chics, you're welcome to. i might even agree. but your contention that pensions are on some magic high ground precluded from progressive welfare policy is bullshit.

Pensions are not welfare... you are incredibly dense

Pensions are not magically given for nothing being done... it is a part of your original compensation set aside for future use....

I guess Obama's salary and pension are welfare.... and his stupid bitch wife is then a welfare queen....

A social program is one to benefit without the necessity of giving something in return... and that is EXACTLY the opposite of employment compensation... no matter if it is a private job or a government job

 

[editec]

Consider what it really means when SOCIAL SECURITY benefits can be changed.

Social Security was SOCIAL CONTRACT was it not?

People paid into that CONTRACT and now when its time for some of us to reap the benefits of the contract, the payout is changing.

Nice, huh?

No...Socialist Insecurity is and always was the world's biggest Ponzi scheme.

And yes, I find it shocking...just shocking...that the federal gubmint would take money from the people under pretense, then change the rules on how they may get it back...Absolutely shocking!

Do I sense just HINT of sarcasm, there, Dude?

 

[editec]

Military retirement is no more a 'social program' than your 401K or retirement fund is....

Just because you want it to be so that you can take a crack at vets who EARNED all of their benefits, does not make it so bitch

401 K and retirement funds are also social programs, bitch.

The only part of social security that is welfare is SSI, that is pure welfare,

Really?

Then what is insurance?

So like if your insured house burns down, and you accept the insurance remitance for it, you're like accepting welfare from your insurer?

I didn't know that.

 

[JimH52]

The mentality of Angle, and her like, is, "I have it, you don't. Therefore you are nobody until you do." The Baggers will be forgotten by 2013. Lindsay Graham said so himself.

 

[antagon]

No, idiot... the government is acting as an EMPLOYER to the EMPLOYEES of the US Military... it is no different than any other BENEFIT situation that is negotiated for employment compensation... a SOCIAL PROGRAM does not equate to a employment benefit

but thanks for playing... please see Don Pardo for some lovely parting gifts

i fail to see why it matters whether it is an employment promise or a citizenship promise or an american babies promise. if you think that social security or military pensions are some kind of protected fund that the government has set aside for us, perhaps you're the idiot.

my dumbass sees the government extract cash from me, my company and my employees, use it with the same discretion as income taxes for all intents and purposes, then pay it out to welfare recipients, veterans, old timers, cripples, medicare providers, etc.

the issue is that your hypocritical ass wants to deride the government's 'redistribution of wealth' and engage in denial of the ways which entitlements work in our economy. when faced with the reality that you've got gubmint milk squirting from a communal teet into your bank account, you scramble to bullshit your way out of the hot seat.

you said it yourself in all caps: BENEFIT. the government doesn't set aside a bit of what they would have paid you cash when a veteran was on active duty, rather, just like your active duty government paychecks, your veteran status government paycheck comes from income taxes, social security and medicare contributions along with flagrant borrowing. the same thing could be said of any given welfare mom.

if you want to argue how much more important you are than benefit chics, you're welcome to. i might even agree. but your contention that pensions are on some magic high ground precluded from progressive welfare policy is bullshit.

Pensions are not welfare... you are incredibly dense

Pensions are not magically given for nothing being done... it is a part of your original compensation set aside for future use....

I guess Obama's salary and pension are welfare.... and his stupid bitch wife is then a welfare queen....

A social program is one to benefit without the necessity of giving something in return... and that is EXACTLY the opposite of employment compensation... no matter if it is a private job or a government job

military pensions are just like welfare, ddave. the VA makes budget requests and the public largess, derived from tax and borrowing, satisfies them in full. no money is put aside by the DOD for the VA's benefit - your stupidity in claiming such is the case is highlighted above.

pensions, public employment and welfare are among progressive means to inject cash into the economy closer to or at the sources of weak demand. we've locked horns in the past with you contending that this methodology is invalid. your attempts to exclude yourself from this teet-sipping component of our economy have fallen from the thread on which you've hung them.

there's simply nothing valid about your argument: no money is set aside, not even ostensibly as with SSI; military pensions are not a defined contribution system. a social program is not limited to there being no reciprocity and the first lady isn't a stupid bitch.