Analysis: Obama's credibility on line in reversal

What red line? The one the UN backed away from last week?

-Geaux

The red line against using chemical weapons.

And what did the International 'community' do about it?

-Geaux

The international community is walking away from its commitment, however, having said that,

I will admit to not knowing fully what explicit or implicit commitments to action are contained in the anti-chemical weapons international agreements.
 
Ted Cruz, the new idol of the Right, is praising President Obama for going to Congress.

Well, so? Obama did the right thing...

obama was put under intense pressure to go to Congress. But he said that going to Congress was only to satisfy those telling him what an illegal act he as committing. And those were democrats. obama has made it very clear that going to Congress is a formality that he has no intention of taking seriously.

If Congress does not give him authority any action he takes to attack Syria will be illegal. He will be acting outside the scope of his authority.
 
Well, so? Obama did the right thing...

So you agree that most of the rightwing attacks on Obama for doing this are simply manifestations of the derangement syndrome.

He should of not opened his big mouth. Secondly, he should of called in a vote BEFORE going to his International pals that broke it off in his arse.

-Geaux

That would possibly be a reasonable assessment of the situation, the problem is,

hystericals like you and the rest of the 'nuts around here with your attempts to turn it into the crime of the century end up looking far worse than the President does.
 
“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
 
Ted Cruz, the new idol of the Right, is praising President Obama for going to Congress.

Well, so? Obama did the right thing...

obama was put under intense pressure to go to Congress. But he said that going to Congress was only to satisfy those telling him what an illegal act he as committing. And those were democrats. obama has made it very clear that going to Congress is a formality that he has no intention of taking seriously.

If Congress does not give him authority any action he takes to attack Syria will be illegal. He will be acting outside the scope of his authority.

The war powers act says the President should 'consult' Congress.
 
The Congressional GOP leaders fully support this move by Obama.

that tells us its the right thing to do.

Not are supportive. I just watched Rand Paul say he does not support it and remember, he praised Assad.

The R will be in favor of whatever will hurt the US. They always are and there's no reason to think they'll suddenly vote in favor of US interests.

One thing they'll fight is if President Obama wants to keep our involvement to a minimum because that won't make any money for the owners of the GObP. They don't want drones. Just as in the past, they want boots on the ground, dead Americans and a big price tag.

I asked in a different thread - Why are the Rs still on vacation? The Ds are back in DC but Boehner has not left the golf course/bar and has not called the Rs back. Why not? This most certainly is an issue of national security. Why aren't the Rs in DC?
 
Well, so? Obama did the right thing...

obama was put under intense pressure to go to Congress. But he said that going to Congress was only to satisfy those telling him what an illegal act he as committing. And those were democrats. obama has made it very clear that going to Congress is a formality that he has no intention of taking seriously.

If Congress does not give him authority any action he takes to attack Syria will be illegal. He will be acting outside the scope of his authority.

The war powers act says the President should 'consult' Congress.

I have a very close relative in the US ARMY training as a medic. They think boots on the ground in Syria is very likely. Lot of WW3 talk

-Geaux
 
The Congressional GOP leaders fully support this move by Obama.

that tells us its the right thing to do.

Not are supportive. I just watched Rand Paul say he does not support it and remember, he praised Assad.

The R will be in favor of whatever will hurt the US. They always are and there's no reason to think they'll suddenly vote in favor of US interests.

One thing they'll fight is if President Obama wants to keep our involvement to a minimum because that won't make any money for the owners of the GObP. They don't want drones. Just as in the past, they want boots on the ground, dead Americans and a big price tag.

I asked in a different thread - Why are the Rs still on vacation? The Ds are back in DC but Boehner has not left the golf course/bar and has not called the Rs back. Why not? This most certainly is an issue of national security. Why aren't the Rs in DC?

What does tarp heads gassing and self cleansing have to do with us in America?

-Geaux
 
Are you losing it with that question you just asked, and especially in the way that you just asked it ?

Of course he couldn't have prevented the attack, thus it making him a failure somehow because of the attack that happened in which he couldn't have prevented.

It instead is all of the spouting off of his mouth quickly before he gains all the knowledge and facts about things or he truly knows what he is doing or saying before speaking that keeps getting him into trouble. He feels that the American people elected him to be the leader of the civilized world because of his smooth and cunning speak in which he used to get the job, and therefore gain the people over by this whom support him, but what this has caused is for him to actually believe that he has infinite wisdom (blew his head up like a huge balloon), so he feels that he has to throw out quickly these fast analogies or answers to his supporters, in order to make them know that he is who they think he is (super smart), and the savior of those who needed a savior to save them from the wicked old evil ones who are in the world, and that exist here or out in the world.

After the many events or incidents that have taken place here and/or over seas in which he does this action with his speak, it is causing him to then turn back and resort to damage control because of his own misspeaks in which he seems to have no control over because his head is up in the clouds thinking that he was empowered because he is actually smarter than most that are around him or near him, and so he tries to not disappoint by appearing smart in his quick assessments of a situation, and then his quick speaking on it regardless as to whether or not he was wrong when he spoke quickly when he did. He is smart, but in what way is he smart is where the jury is still locked in trying to understand and define for his legacy.

For the record state your position on whether we should or should not take military action against the Syrian regime for having used chemical weapons.
First a complete investigation should be completed, and all nations should be included in that final assessment in honesty there of in those findings, then after a meeting with all civilized nations involved at the table, there should be a unilateral agreement between all nations that something must be done, and then we should be joined by those nations in the actions that are taken next. If a nation refuses to take action or to help once they know the facts completely as was presented to them by whom ever does this part of it, then they have nothing to say about it when the bombs begin falling or by what ever strategy is used by the ones who are united against this sort of atrocity that has taken place in the world. I am for action once all homework is done and done properly to everyone's satisfaction on the situation at hand.

The British are already out, the Germans are out, the Russians are of course out, the Chinese are always out,

who's left?
 
A fun fact from history:

In 1990 George Bush drew a 'line in the sand' against Iraq after the Kuwait invasion.

It was not until 1991 that Bush got authorization from Congress for the use of force.
 
A fun fact from history:

In 1990 George Bush drew a 'line in the sand' against Iraq after the Kuwait invasion.

It was not until 1991 that Bush got authorization from Congress for the use of force.

It took that long to build up the invasion force. It takes a long time to ship tanks from Ft Hood in Texas to the Kuwait border.
 
A fun fact from history:

In 1990 George Bush drew a 'line in the sand' against Iraq after the Kuwait invasion.

It was not until 1991 that Bush got authorization from Congress for the use of force.

It took that long to build up the invasion force. It takes a long time to ship tanks from Ft Hood in Texas to the Kuwait border.

It takes about 2 weeks, not 9 months.
 
For the record state your position on whether we should or should not take military action against the Syrian regime for having used chemical weapons.
First a complete investigation should be completed, and all nations should be included in that final assessment in honesty there of in those findings, then after a meeting with all civilized nations involved at the table, there should be a unilateral agreement between all nations that something must be done, and then we should be joined by those nations in the actions that are taken next. If a nation refuses to take action or to help once they know the facts completely as was presented to them by whom ever does this part of it, then they have nothing to say about it when the bombs begin falling or by what ever strategy is used by the ones who are united against this sort of atrocity that has taken place in the world. I am for action once all homework is done and done properly to everyone's satisfaction on the situation at hand.

The British are already out, the Germans are out, the Russians are of course out, the Chinese are always out,

who's left?

That can change. The UK may have another vote soon. France is in, as is Turkey, which has the most invested, since they are overrun with refugees.
 
Well as was easily predicted,

the deranged are finding ways to bash Obama whichever way he goes.

Go in, don't go in, get Congressional authorization, don't get Congressional authorization, left, right, up, down, forwards, backwards,

whichever, whatever,

the deranged Right says Obama is wrong.

You people really do loathe the thought of being taken seriously don't you?

Great post, but if you change "Obama" to "Bush" and "Right" to "Left" you will see what we heard for the last twelve years.

BTW, Syria has chemical weapons, because they were not found in Iraq. And they were not found in Iraq, because Saddam Hussain gave them to Assad.

Right because Saddam is the only person in the world who knew how to make chemical weapons lolol.

This.
 
A fun fact from history:

In 1990 George Bush drew a 'line in the sand' against Iraq after the Kuwait invasion.

It was not until 1991 that Bush got authorization from Congress for the use of force.

That goes to show how dead serious you are when you draw a line.
 
Politics is a lot like making a mark in the water instead of in the sand. Everyone will remember how stupid it was to try to make a mark, but it's soon forgotten as quickly as the water sloshes from the waves. And people are a lot like the water: they quickly forget. Those who like Obama will regard this as him showing wisdom/patience/blah blah blah during a moment of crisis. Those who hate him will regard this as his inability to act decisively/backing down/yaddi yaddi yaddi when the chips are down.

Leaders of the world will not forget this incident, but they're not exactly going to underestimate Obama the next time some other crisis comes around.

As I've mentioned before, Obama is an idealist, and the trouble with idealists is that they are inconsistent, unpredictable and impractical.
 
if the situation gets worse in Syria, and the humanitaian situation gets worse, Obama will act even without Congressional approval.

if he thinks a military strike can help the people, he will act.
 

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