Critical Analysis: Trump vs Obama on Israel - Who Really Got it RIGHT?

[Votar Roja]

Critical Analysis: Trump vs Obama on Israel - Who Really Got it RIGHT?​

QUOTE: In this clip, Trish Regan highlights the recent deal in which hostages were released in exchange for a large sum of money. Regan questions the timing of the deal and its potential consequences, including the reality that it may have led to the horrific attack on Israel. According to a Wall Street Journal report, Iran gave the 'green light' for the attack, which led to the deaths of more than 1400 Israelis. According to Regan, giving money to Iran is not exclusive to the Biden administration; rather, during Barack Obama's term as President, he also gave Iran money, including some $400 million in Swiss francs and euros, flown in by plane. Regan questions the link between the money given to Iran and the ensuing consequences, citing the imagery of captured U.S. Naval soldiers held by Iran. In contrast, Donald Trump refused to give any money to Iran. The policies are polar opposite and the outcomes are equally different.

COMMENT: Of course, Trump was superior to Obama in every way

 

[Votar Roja]

Critical Analysis: Trump vs Obama on Israel - Who Really Got it RIGHT?​

Trump did.

 

[Lisa558]

Trump did.

The Abraham Accords were bringing peace among moderate Arab countries and Israel, showing the world thAt Israel was a good country eager to have positive relationships with countries not set on its destruction. Eventually, the MidEast would be peaceful, and with Iran the odd man out.

Biden, OTOH, did the opposite: appease Iran and restore the money flow to the HAMAS terrorists. We saw the result on Oct 7.

 

[JoeB131]

Here's the reality...

Both parties are completely captive to the Zionist Lobby.

Arguing about who is sucking up to Israel the hardest is kind of silly in and of itself.

The Abraham Accords were a joke. Countries that were never at war with the Zionist Entity signed them without a mandate from their people (because they are unelected Monarchies that probably won't last the next few decades.)

Biden, OTOH, did the opposite: appease Iran and restore the money flow to the HAMAS terrorists. We saw the result on Oct 7.

No, Lisa, what we saw on October 7 was the result of Bibi empowering Hamas for 14 years so he wouldn't have to negotiate in good faith with Abbas and the PA.

Now that the Zionist Squatters have killed over 8000 Palestinians, including 3000 children, I doubt anyone will care about the "Abraham Accords".

 

[DBA]

Both parties are completely captive to the Zionist Lobby.

The Democratic Party is pandering to their Jewish base, but they don’t really want to support Israel. 77% of Jews vote for Democrats. There aren’t than many in the US, so it isn’t a huge voting block, however, many are very wealthy and money talks. It would be interesting to see how many of these Jewish Democrats would jump ship if the Democratic Party gave in to much(maybe even the majority) of their base and stopped supporting Israel. They won’t do that unless the money stops coming in. It would be quite a conundrum for a liberal minded Jewish person to choose between Israel and their liberal ideologies. A side note is that Orthodox Jews vote 75% Republican because the Republican Party unequivocally supports Israel AND is much more tolerant of their religous beliefs.

 

[Lisa558]

The Democratic Party is pandering to their Jewish base, but they don’t really want to support Israel. 77% of Jews vote for Democrats. There aren’t than many in the US, so it isn’t a huge voting block, however, many are very wealthy and money talks. It would be interesting to see how many of these Jewish Democrats would jump ship if the Democratic Party gave in to much(maybe even the majority) of their base and stopped supporting Israel. They won’t do that unless the money stops coming in. It would be quite a conundrum for a liberal minded Jewish person to choose between Israel and their liberal ideologies. A side note is that Orthodox Jews vote 75% Republican because the Republican Party unequivocally supports Israel AND is much more tolerant of their religous beliefs.

Up until now, liberalism trumped Judaism for Democrat Jews. Now, with the elite at liberal universities turning so despicably against Jews, let’s see if they switch their allegiance.

 

[JoeB131]

The Democratic Party is pandering to their Jewish base, but they don’t really want to support Israel. 77% of Jews vote for Democrats. There aren’t than many in the US, so it isn’t a huge voting block, however, many are very wealthy and money talks. It would be interesting to see how many of these Jewish Democrats would jump ship if the Democratic Party gave in to much(maybe even the majority) of their base and stopped supporting Israel. They won’t do that unless the money stops coming in. It would be quite a conundrum for a liberal minded Jewish person to choose between Israel and their liberal ideologies. A side note is that Orthodox Jews vote 75% Republican because the Republican Party unequivocally supports Israel AND is much more tolerant of their religous beliefs.

Actually, a lot of American Jews are kind of embarrassed by Israel.

Bibi is like the Crazy Uncle who shows up at your Bat Mitzvah and starts screaming about Hitler to your Gentile friends.

The thing is, if you are a Jew with a conscience, you can't look at what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians and feel particularly good about it.

If you are a religious crazy person, I guess you can, but that just shows why the world will be so much better off when religion disappears. You can rationalize anything if you think your imaginary friend in the sky approves.

Obviously, we do have an idealogical problem for liberals. It's generally considered among liberals that imperialism, racism, and exploitation are bad things. No one looks back at the British Empire fondly and says, "Yup, those were the good old days." Not even the British.

But Israel, at the end of the day, is a Colonial group of Europeans oppressing an indigenous people. Full stop.

 

[JoeB131]

Up until now, liberalism trumped Judaism for Democrat Jews. Now, with the elite at liberal universities turning so despicably against Jews, let’s see if they switch their allegiance.

Uh, the campuses have been like this all the way back when I went to them back in the 1980's.

It's just that with Apartheid gone in South Africa, Israel is more of a whipping boy.

 

[DBA]

Uh, the campuses have been like this all the way back when I went to them back in the 1980's.

It's just that with Apartheid gone in South Africa, Israel is more of a whipping boy.

In the past these kids grew up, started earning money and became wiser. I’m not so sure that will happen in mass any longer. You are prime example. Brainwashing that leads to perpetual immaturity. That is the goal of the Democratic Party. To their credit and to your liking, it is working.

 

[lennypartiv]

The Democratic Party is pandering to their Jewish base, but they don’t really want to support Israel. 77% of Jews vote for Democrats. There aren’t than many in the US, so it isn’t a huge voting block, however, many are very wealthy and money talks. It would be interesting to see how many of these Jewish Democrats would jump ship if the Democratic Party gave in to much(maybe even the majority) of their base and stopped supporting Israel. They won’t do that unless the money stops coming in. It would be quite a conundrum for a liberal minded Jewish person to choose between Israel and their liberal ideologies. A side note is that Orthodox Jews vote 75% Republican because the Republican Party unequivocally supports Israel AND is much more tolerant of their religous beliefs.

Trump got it right.

---Trump Tells Jews To 'Get Their Act Together' And Appreciate Him More---

Trump Tells Jews To 'Get Their Act Together' And Appreciate Him More

His repeated demand for more credit for his policies toward Israel was quickly called out as antisemitic.

news.yahoo.com

Here is an example of Trump being right:

---Trump has a long history of criticizing Jewish American voters who do not support him---

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/politics/trump-american-jews-attack/index.html

 

[Lisa558]

Trump got it right.

---Trump Tells Jews To 'Get Their Act Together' And Appreciate Him More---

Trump Tells Jews To 'Get Their Act Together' And Appreciate Him More

His repeated demand for more credit for his policies toward Israel was quickly called out as antisemitic.

news.yahoo.com

Here is an example of Trump being right:

---Trump has a long history of criticizing Jewish American voters who do not support him---

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/politics/trump-american-jews-attack/index.html

And Biden calls Americans threats to democracy if they don’t agree with him. Your point?

My point is that Jews and Israel were much better off under Trump.

 

[candycorn]

Obama...easily.

 

[Votar Roja]

 

[Votar Roja]

Obama...easily.

The Socialist Kenyan Pig may be your god but to the rest of us he is just the incompetent piece of shit he always was

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The Democratic Party is pandering to their Jewish base, but they don’t really want to support Israel. 77% of Jews vote for Democrats. There aren’t than many in the US, so it isn’t a huge voting block, however, many are very wealthy and money talks. It would be interesting to see how many of these Jewish Democrats would jump ship if the Democratic Party gave in to much(maybe even the majority) of their base and stopped supporting Israel. They won’t do that unless the money stops coming in. It would be quite a conundrum for a liberal minded Jewish person to choose between Israel and their liberal ideologies. A side note is that Orthodox Jews vote 75% Republican because the Republican Party unequivocally supports Israel AND is much more tolerant of their religous beliefs.

Major differences between religious Jews and those who just wear the ethnicity. Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager have outlined this in detail

 

[JoeB131]

In the past these kids grew up, started earning money and became wiser. I’m not so sure that will happen in mass any longer. You are prime example. Brainwashing that leads to perpetual immaturity. That is the goal of the Democratic Party. To their credit and to your liking, it is working.

Back when I was in college, I was a Reagan supporter.

Then I realized who my true enemies were.

The underlying problem, you can't say something is wrong unless the Jews do it.

Either it's wrong or it isn't.

 

[JoeB131]

Major differences between religious Jews and those who just wear the ethnicity. Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager have outlined this in detail

Religion is the problem here. A rational person would say, "living in a desert next to people who want to murder us is kind of stupid."

 

[Votar Roja]