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And if not the reason I listed above then why?
Most of those that claim to be for 'peace' whatever the conflict, in fact are just for the 'other side.'
FYI everybody: America only supports Israel because they are our foothold in the Middle East.
Which is why Israel despite being one of the more smaller nations has some of the best weapons in the world.
Nobody on either side could deny the fact that if not for America then Israel would be nowhere near where it is today.
Sure, some countries have the weapons amount to give to Israel but not the quality of weapons or the diplomatic support the U.S holds.
(I'm not saying this means Israel should/should not exist, I'm simply stating facts).
And if not the reason I listed above then why?
Because we feel they are being unjustly attacked? If that were the case then how come we're not in Darfur stopping the genocides going on there? Or the other genocides of years past? In fact, America and the rest of the world only stepped in to stop Hitler's Genocide of the Jews, Atheists, and anyone who disagreed with him in Germany because Germany and Japan invaded their countries.
The rest of the world sat idle by while Hitler committed Genocide.
So lets see, why else could it be?
Because we like their flag? Their national anthem? Because we liked their windsurfing team that won a gold medal in the 2004 olympics?
Gee, I do believe I'm right.
Most of those that claim to be for 'peace' whatever the conflict, in fact are just for the 'other side.'
So deep or avoiding? Doesn't matter, the number of posts make it clear.
I am so damned sick of the whole Isreal/Palestinian question.
You people are obsessed.
Navigating between the unreasonable NAZIs and the unreasonable Zionists is a real pain the ass, you know?
Do you suppose it might be possible that every thread not be turned into still another place where you two opposing camps say the same damned thing over and over again?
It'd be nice.
Most of those that claim to be for 'peace' whatever the conflict, in fact are just for the 'other side.'
Frankly, it's a good thing that the Isreal/Palestine question has taken center stage. America avoids this discussion like a disease .. yet we pay dearly for our bigoted support for Israel.
No it's not.
Want to know why?
Because this question takes all the oxygen out of the room because the opposing camps are fucking crazy with hate and fear and frankly, they're both either ractist or ethnocentrists who make ration discussions about this subject im-fucking-possible.
And this happens every damned time that Isreal is having problems keeping the Palestinians on the reservation and NOTHING ever gets resolves.
This is a family squabble that infects our nation.
America is facing REAL PROBLEMS that make the whole issue of Israel/Palestine issue mighty small potatoes by comparison.
If Israel cesased to exist would any of OUR PROBLEMS be solved?
No, they would not.
And if the Palestinians ceased to exist, would any of OUR PROBLEMS be solved?
No, they would not.
We., the US of A's masters of the universe created most of the problems we are facing.
DDon't blame the Jews.
Don't blame the Palestinians, either.
They are BOTH convenient scapegoats our masters use to explain a lot of the problems we have in foreign affairs and that, my friend, is largely BULLSHIT.
It's bullshit when some terrorist trys to tell us that it's all about Israel, and it's bullshit when our leaders try to tell us it's all about Israel, too.
It's about EVERYTHING that the West and the Arab world have going on.
It's about a long stormy history of two civilizations colliding of which Isreal is but the lightening rod.
Irrespective of how you see the problems, avoiding the discussions will not make them go away.
That's not what mature and intelligent people do.
Are the questions difficult? .. Absolutely .. but avoiding them because they're difficult does not in my opinion solve anything.
Will situations get better if we don't talk about them?
What about the tremendous costs that America pays for it's biased support of Israel .. can we afford to just keep paying these costs ad infinitum?
I completely disagree and I remind you of something someone wise once told me .. SILENCE IS FAILURE
I see nothing good coming from this on THIS BOARD because there are so many crypto NAZIs and people who love Isreal more than the nation which sustains them.
Yet YOU won't answer the qusetion yourself. You're admonishing others for not answering a question you won't answer.
Kinda' makes your question silly and irrelevent.
It appears that "peace" is not your objective.
Robert, are you Catholic?
Yes, I would be.
But I don't support people who use religion as a way to justify their wars, genocides, and murders among other crimes against humanity.
One of the biggest reasons was religious reasons. The Christians believe that the creation of Israel will bring about the building of the 3rd temple and the return of Jesus, or as Jews would put it, the coming of the messiah for the first time.
But, yes, you're right, it is to have a diplomatic foothold in the middle east, and it certainly helps with the Jewish vote politically here in the US.
Actually that was a joke, meant from earlier posts about 'Catholics always believe they have the truth or are right.'