An Obama accomplishment

True. Now tell that to government of the countries that tax our product at higher rate than their own.

I'm not concerned with how they tax their people.

You should be, because it slows American production.

Really? You have proof?

You're about like depleted Uranium.

What if the other country reduced their tariffs on our goods? what would that do?

Probably very little. What are we selling competitively in the world market?

Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, the tax rates need to be fair to us.

Maybe you don't realize this, but NAFTA was crafted to hurt the US economy, which it has done.
 
I'm not concerned with how they tax their people.

You should be, because it slows American production.

Really? You have proof?

You're about like depleted Uranium.

What if the other country reduced their tariffs on our goods? what would that do?

Probably very little. What are we selling competitively in the world market?

Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, the tax rates need to be fair to us.

Maybe you don't realize this, but NAFTA was crafted to hurt the US economy, which it has done.

Wait, so we can sell into Canada and Mexico without tariffs because of nafta and that is bad? But you want other countries to have no tariffs? You make no sense.
 
You should be, because it slows American production.

Really? You have proof?

You're about like depleted Uranium.

What if the other country reduced their tariffs on our goods? what would that do?

Probably very little. What are we selling competitively in the world market?

Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, the tax rates need to be fair to us.

Maybe you don't realize this, but NAFTA was crafted to hurt the US economy, which it has done.

Wait, so we can sell into Canada and Mexico without tariffs because of nafta and that is bad? But you want other countries to have no tariffs? You make no sense.


I dub thee DU.
 
There are two types of protectionism.

One type of protectionism is: "Impose tariffs on foreign products because that's gonna save domestic jobs."
The another type rather not protectionism, although it looks like it is: "Have open trade and level playing field."

While most of countries are doing first, we are having open trade, but not leveled playing field.

Japanese and some other countries car makers can sell their cars in US without tariffs. We can't sell our cars over there without being slapped with heavy tariff (or taxes). The questions are: is that open trade and what are we going to do about that?

Our brain dead friend above is saying the same thing that Milton Friedman would say "you do nothing", because from economic point of view you're still better off not having double tariff. If they have tariff and we have tariff, that's two sets of tariffs and that's really bad. However, if we do nothing about it, that provides no incentive to the guys who are putting tariffs on our products abroad to take down their tariffs. Why would they take tariffs down if there are no consequences for imposing them?

But... what if we tell them something like this: You had very good time selling your products in US, you made a lot of money and we really want you to continue selling it here, however... as long you have tariffs on our product we're going to put tariffs on your product in order to pressure you to take yours down.

That would be second kind of protectionism I mentioned above, that is not protectionism at all: wide open trade and level playing field.
 
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You should be, because it slows American production.

Really? You have proof?

You're about like depleted Uranium.

What if the other country reduced their tariffs on our goods? what would that do?

Probably very little. What are we selling competitively in the world market?

Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, the tax rates need to be fair to us.

Maybe you don't realize this, but NAFTA was crafted to hurt the US economy, which it has done.

Wait, so we can sell into Canada and Mexico without tariffs because of nafta and that is bad? But you want other countries to have no tariffs? You make no sense.

:bsflag:

Inform yourself before you post stupidities like that. Regardless of NAFTA that is "free trade agreement" in name only, there are tariffs on our products sold in Mexico:

Yarn (silk, wool, cotton, vegetable fiber) - 10%
Fabric (knit, industrial) - 10%
Apparel - 25%
Home furnishing - 20%
Foorware - 20%
Travel goods - 20%

Under NAFTA, they are able to sell their products in US free of tariffs.
 
There are two types of protectionism.

One type of protectionism is: "Impose tariffs on foreign products because that's gonna save domestic jobs."
The another type rather not protectionism, although it looks like it is: "Have open trade and level playing field."

While most of countries are doing first, we are having open trade, but not leveled playing field.

Japanese and some other countries car makers can sell their cars in US without tariffs. We can't sell our cars over there without being slapped with heavy tariff (or taxes). The questions are: is that open trade and what are we going to do about that?

Our brain dead friend above is saying the same thing that Milton Friedman would say "you do nothing", because from economic point of view you're still better off not having double tariff. If they have tariff and we have tariff, that's two sets of tariffs and that's really bad. However, if we do nothing about it, that provides no incentive to the guys who are putting tariffs on our products abroad to take down their tariffs. Why would they take tariffs down if there are no consequences for imposing them?

But... what if we tell them something like this: You had very good time selling your products in US, you made a lot of money and we really want you to continue selling it here, however... as long you have tariffs on our product we're going to put tariffs on your product in order to pressure you to take yours down.

That would be second kind of protectionism I mentioned above, that is not protectionism at all: wide open trade and level playing field.

Tell me when protectionism has ever worked. When have tariffs ever increased domestic production? It has been tried many times.
 
Really? You have proof?

You're about like depleted Uranium.

What if the other country reduced their tariffs on our goods? what would that do?

Probably very little. What are we selling competitively in the world market?

Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, the tax rates need to be fair to us.

Maybe you don't realize this, but NAFTA was crafted to hurt the US economy, which it has done.

Wait, so we can sell into Canada and Mexico without tariffs because of nafta and that is bad? But you want other countries to have no tariffs? You make no sense.

:bsflag:

Inform yourself before you post stupidities like that. Regardless of NAFTA that is "free trade agreement" in name only, there are tariffs on our products sold in Mexico:

Yarn (silk, wool, cotton, vegetable fiber) - 10%
Fabric (knit, industrial) - 10%
Apparel - 25%
Home furnishing - 20%
Foorware - 20%
Travel goods - 20%

Under NAFTA, they are able to sell their products in US free of tariffs.

Link?
 
There are two types of protectionism.

One type of protectionism is: "Impose tariffs on foreign products because that's gonna save domestic jobs."
The another type rather not protectionism, although it looks like it is: "Have open trade and level playing field."

While most of countries are doing first, we are having open trade, but not leveled playing field.

Japanese and some other countries car makers can sell their cars in US without tariffs. We can't sell our cars over there without being slapped with heavy tariff (or taxes). The questions are: is that open trade and what are we going to do about that?

Our brain dead friend above is saying the same thing that Milton Friedman would say "you do nothing", because from economic point of view you're still better off not having double tariff. If they have tariff and we have tariff, that's two sets of tariffs and that's really bad. However, if we do nothing about it, that provides no incentive to the guys who are putting tariffs on our products abroad to take down their tariffs. Why would they take tariffs down if there are no consequences for imposing them?

But... what if we tell them something like this: You had very good time selling your products in US, you made a lot of money and we really want you to continue selling it here, however... as long you have tariffs on our product we're going to put tariffs on your product in order to pressure you to take yours down.

That would be second kind of protectionism I mentioned above, that is not protectionism at all: wide open trade and level playing field.

Tell me when protectionism has ever worked. When have tariffs ever increased domestic production? It has been tried many times.

It works in Japan. We can't sell our product there because of tariffs/taxes specific for our product.
 
There are two types of protectionism.

One type of protectionism is: "Impose tariffs on foreign products because that's gonna save domestic jobs."
The another type rather not protectionism, although it looks like it is: "Have open trade and level playing field."

While most of countries are doing first, we are having open trade, but not leveled playing field.

Japanese and some other countries car makers can sell their cars in US without tariffs. We can't sell our cars over there without being slapped with heavy tariff (or taxes). The questions are: is that open trade and what are we going to do about that?

Our brain dead friend above is saying the same thing that Milton Friedman would say "you do nothing", because from economic point of view you're still better off not having double tariff. If they have tariff and we have tariff, that's two sets of tariffs and that's really bad. However, if we do nothing about it, that provides no incentive to the guys who are putting tariffs on our products abroad to take down their tariffs. Why would they take tariffs down if there are no consequences for imposing them?

But... what if we tell them something like this: You had very good time selling your products in US, you made a lot of money and we really want you to continue selling it here, however... as long you have tariffs on our product we're going to put tariffs on your product in order to pressure you to take yours down.

That would be second kind of protectionism I mentioned above, that is not protectionism at all: wide open trade and level playing field.

Tell me when protectionism has ever worked. When have tariffs ever increased domestic production? It has been tried many times.

It works in Japan. We can't sell our product there because of tariffs/taxes specific for our product.

Works? Japan has had a stagnant economy for many years. That isn't working. If it worked they would have a growing economy. Next.
 
You're about like depleted Uranium.

What if the other country reduced their tariffs on our goods? what would that do?

Probably very little. What are we selling competitively in the world market?

Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, the tax rates need to be fair to us.

Maybe you don't realize this, but NAFTA was crafted to hurt the US economy, which it has done.

Wait, so we can sell into Canada and Mexico without tariffs because of nafta and that is bad? But you want other countries to have no tariffs? You make no sense.

:bsflag:

Inform yourself before you post stupidities like that. Regardless of NAFTA that is "free trade agreement" in name only, there are tariffs on our products sold in Mexico:

Yarn (silk, wool, cotton, vegetable fiber) - 10%
Fabric (knit, industrial) - 10%
Apparel - 25%
Home furnishing - 20%
Foorware - 20%
Travel goods - 20%

Under NAFTA, they are able to sell their products in US free of tariffs.

Link?

You don't have Google?

Search for International Trade Administration, under OTEXA.
 
Probably very little. What are we selling competitively in the world market?

Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, the tax rates need to be fair to us.

Maybe you don't realize this, but NAFTA was crafted to hurt the US economy, which it has done.

Wait, so we can sell into Canada and Mexico without tariffs because of nafta and that is bad? But you want other countries to have no tariffs? You make no sense.

:bsflag:

Inform yourself before you post stupidities like that. Regardless of NAFTA that is "free trade agreement" in name only, there are tariffs on our products sold in Mexico:

Yarn (silk, wool, cotton, vegetable fiber) - 10%
Fabric (knit, industrial) - 10%
Apparel - 25%
Home furnishing - 20%
Foorware - 20%
Travel goods - 20%

Under NAFTA, they are able to sell their products in US free of tariffs.

Link?

You don't have Google?

Search for International Trade Administration, under OTEXA.

You made a claim, back it up with a link. Otherwise I'll assume you are wrong.
 
Oh lookie; I found another Obama accomplishment.

12493331-stinky-pile-of-poop-with-two-flies.jpg
 
There are two types of protectionism.

One type of protectionism is: "Impose tariffs on foreign products because that's gonna save domestic jobs."
The another type rather not protectionism, although it looks like it is: "Have open trade and level playing field."

While most of countries are doing first, we are having open trade, but not leveled playing field.

Japanese and some other countries car makers can sell their cars in US without tariffs. We can't sell our cars over there without being slapped with heavy tariff (or taxes). The questions are: is that open trade and what are we going to do about that?

Our brain dead friend above is saying the same thing that Milton Friedman would say "you do nothing", because from economic point of view you're still better off not having double tariff. If they have tariff and we have tariff, that's two sets of tariffs and that's really bad. However, if we do nothing about it, that provides no incentive to the guys who are putting tariffs on our products abroad to take down their tariffs. Why would they take tariffs down if there are no consequences for imposing them?

But... what if we tell them something like this: You had very good time selling your products in US, you made a lot of money and we really want you to continue selling it here, however... as long you have tariffs on our product we're going to put tariffs on your product in order to pressure you to take yours down.

That would be second kind of protectionism I mentioned above, that is not protectionism at all: wide open trade and level playing field.

Tell me when protectionism has ever worked. When have tariffs ever increased domestic production? It has been tried many times.

It works in Japan. We can't sell our product there because of tariffs/taxes specific for our product.

Works? Japan has had a stagnant economy for many years. That isn't working. If it worked they would have a growing economy. Next.

Their annual growth rate is 1.6%. It would be even more stagnant if we could freely sell our product over there.

What about us? Our growth rate just 10 years ago was above 5%. Since then, we could hardly reach 2% growth. You don't call that stagnant?
 
Doesn't matter. Whatever it is, the tax rates need to be fair to us.

Maybe you don't realize this, but NAFTA was crafted to hurt the US economy, which it has done.

Wait, so we can sell into Canada and Mexico without tariffs because of nafta and that is bad? But you want other countries to have no tariffs? You make no sense.

:bsflag:

Inform yourself before you post stupidities like that. Regardless of NAFTA that is "free trade agreement" in name only, there are tariffs on our products sold in Mexico:

Yarn (silk, wool, cotton, vegetable fiber) - 10%
Fabric (knit, industrial) - 10%
Apparel - 25%
Home furnishing - 20%
Foorware - 20%
Travel goods - 20%

Under NAFTA, they are able to sell their products in US free of tariffs.

Link?

You don't have Google?

Search for International Trade Administration, under OTEXA.

You made a claim, back it up with a link. Otherwise I'll assume you are wrong.

You're assuming many things. That's why you think you're so smart. You think..., but in reality you can't absorb things that I simplified for you like I am explaining it to my 10 year old kid.

I told you what is called and where to find it.
 
Oh lookie; I found another Obama accomplishment.

12493331-stinky-pile-of-poop-with-two-flies.jpg

Did you read the OP? By now it's devolved into Ame®icano, me, and DU (Depleted Uranium) aka Brain357 arguing tariffs, not the way in which Obama screwed over every citizen in the US that needs to buy a car. DU is just that dense.
 
There are two types of protectionism.

One type of protectionism is: "Impose tariffs on foreign products because that's gonna save domestic jobs."
The another type rather not protectionism, although it looks like it is: "Have open trade and level playing field."

While most of countries are doing first, we are having open trade, but not leveled playing field.

Japanese and some other countries car makers can sell their cars in US without tariffs. We can't sell our cars over there without being slapped with heavy tariff (or taxes). The questions are: is that open trade and what are we going to do about that?

Our brain dead friend above is saying the same thing that Milton Friedman would say "you do nothing", because from economic point of view you're still better off not having double tariff. If they have tariff and we have tariff, that's two sets of tariffs and that's really bad. However, if we do nothing about it, that provides no incentive to the guys who are putting tariffs on our products abroad to take down their tariffs. Why would they take tariffs down if there are no consequences for imposing them?

But... what if we tell them something like this: You had very good time selling your products in US, you made a lot of money and we really want you to continue selling it here, however... as long you have tariffs on our product we're going to put tariffs on your product in order to pressure you to take yours down.

That would be second kind of protectionism I mentioned above, that is not protectionism at all: wide open trade and level playing field.

Tell me when protectionism has ever worked. When have tariffs ever increased domestic production? It has been tried many times.

It works in Japan. We can't sell our product there because of tariffs/taxes specific for our product.

Works? Japan has had a stagnant economy for many years. That isn't working. If it worked they would have a growing economy. Next.

Their annual growth rate is 1.6%. It would be even more stagnant if we could freely sell our product over there.

What about us? Our growth rate just 10 years ago was above 5%. Since then, we could hardly reach 2% growth. You don't call that stagnant?

They wish they had 1.6%.
The Japanese economy advanced 0.3 percent on quarter in the fourth quarter of 2016, above preliminary estimates of a 0.2 percent expansion and at the same pace as in the previous period. It was the fourth consecutive quarter of growth, boosted by exports, government spending and private non-residential investment while household consumption was flat. GDP Growth Rate in Japan averaged 0.51 percent from 1980 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 3.20 percent in the second quarter of 1990 and a record low of -4.80 percent in the first quarter of 2009.
Japan GDP Growth Rate | 1980-2017 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast
 
Wait, so we can sell into Canada and Mexico without tariffs because of nafta and that is bad? But you want other countries to have no tariffs? You make no sense.

:bsflag:

Inform yourself before you post stupidities like that. Regardless of NAFTA that is "free trade agreement" in name only, there are tariffs on our products sold in Mexico:

Yarn (silk, wool, cotton, vegetable fiber) - 10%
Fabric (knit, industrial) - 10%
Apparel - 25%
Home furnishing - 20%
Foorware - 20%
Travel goods - 20%

Under NAFTA, they are able to sell their products in US free of tariffs.

Link?

You don't have Google?

Search for International Trade Administration, under OTEXA.

You made a claim, back it up with a link. Otherwise I'll assume you are wrong.

You're assuming many things. That's why you think you're so smart. You think..., but in reality you can't absorb things that I simplified for you like I am explaining it to my 10 year old kid.

I told you what is called and where to find it.

No link and I'll assume your numbers are made up. Clearly you won't back them up.
 
:bsflag:

Inform yourself before you post stupidities like that. Regardless of NAFTA that is "free trade agreement" in name only, there are tariffs on our products sold in Mexico:

Yarn (silk, wool, cotton, vegetable fiber) - 10%
Fabric (knit, industrial) - 10%
Apparel - 25%
Home furnishing - 20%
Foorware - 20%
Travel goods - 20%

Under NAFTA, they are able to sell their products in US free of tariffs.

Link?

You don't have Google?

Search for International Trade Administration, under OTEXA.

You made a claim, back it up with a link. Otherwise I'll assume you are wrong.

You're assuming many things. That's why you think you're so smart. You think..., but in reality you can't absorb things that I simplified for you like I am explaining it to my 10 year old kid.

I told you what is called and where to find it.

No link and I'll assume your numbers are made up. Clearly you won't back them up.

I assume you're an idiot since you wont type in search box what I provided to you.

"Search for International Trade Administration, under OTEXA".
 

You don't have Google?

Search for International Trade Administration, under OTEXA.

You made a claim, back it up with a link. Otherwise I'll assume you are wrong.

You're assuming many things. That's why you think you're so smart. You think..., but in reality you can't absorb things that I simplified for you like I am explaining it to my 10 year old kid.

I told you what is called and where to find it.

No link and I'll assume your numbers are made up. Clearly you won't back them up.

I assume you're an idiot since you wont type in search box what I provided to you.

"Search for International Trade Administration, under OTEXA".

If you had facts you would have link.
 
Did you read the OP? By now it's devolved into Ame®icano, me, and DU (Depleted Uranium) aka Brain357 arguing tariffs, not the way in which Obama screwed over every citizen in the US that needs to buy a car. DU is just that dense.
I read the OP but not all intervening 16 pages of back and forth.

Just want to provide a complete record of Obama's accomplishments.
 

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