America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

[NotfooledbyW]

#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

 

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#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

 

[BreezeWood]

#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

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Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

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really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

 

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#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

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really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

 

[BreezeWood]

#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.
really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

.

Madison's draft establishment clause applied to the states and that was defeated in the senate.

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it is your delusion alone - the "founding fathers" accomplished the first secular nation in recorded history as best they could during the time period the document was written.

- defeated by the christians including yourself for the purpose of enslavement and genocide against any and all opposed to the makebelive 4th century christianity evidenced by the precipitous historical outcome that occurred - just ask the native americans and people of african dissent.

 

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#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.
really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

.

Madison's draft establishment clause applied to the states and that was defeated in the senate.

.
it is your delusion alone - the "founding fathers" accomplished the first secular nation in recorded history as best they could during the time period the document was written.

- defeated by the christians including yourself for the purpose of enslavement and genocide against any and all opposed to the makebelive 4th century christianity evidenced by the precipitous historical outcome that occurred - just ask the native americans and people of african dissent.

Mayflower Compact, November 11, 1620

“In the name of God, Amen.

We whose names are underwritten...having undertaken, for the glorie of God, and advancemente of the Christian faith...,a voyage to plant the first colony

 

[NotfooledbyW]

#227 reply to #224

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Why do you keep contradicting yourself and ignoring the indisputable fact that the founding fathers were very successful at establishing freedom. That success included freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Still, the framers did not create enlightened multiculturalism. They were enlightened multiculturalists who made sure the dominating Protestant Christian majority in America could not ever infringe upon an individual’s right to practice a multicultural choice of any religion they found worthy or choose a multicultural dream come true of no religion at all.

 

[james bond]

#227 reply to #224

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Why do you keep contradicting yourself and ignoring the indisputable fact that the founding fathers were very successful at establishing freedom. That success included freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Still, the framers did not create enlightened multiculturalism. They were enlightened multiculturalists who made sure the dominating Protestant Christian majority in America could not ever infringe upon an individual’s right to practice a multicultural choice of any religion they found worthy or choose a multicultural dream come true of no religion at all.

That's not what the founding fathers did haha.

 

[Mindful]

#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.
really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Freedom from what?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Dude, your understanding of separation of church and state is flawed.

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

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The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

no bing, you are wrong -

america was the place for multiculturalism's birth and has continued since that time to the present day ...

NEGATIVE
Our great framers never intended for this nation to be multicultural. They knew then what today’s statistics prove...that a whiter nation is a safer, likeminded, more productive nation. This isn’t even debatable.

NotfooledbyW

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Our great framers never intended for this nation to be multicultural. They knew then what today’s statistics prove...that a whiter nation is a safer, likeminded, more productive nation. This isn’t even debatable.

leave to the board racist to make the point that White people are all of one culture.

believe me I’m white and I have nothing to do you and your culture of hate.

 

[John T. Ford]

Anyone convinced or of the opinion that Protestant Christianity was ”tied” to the US Constitution when it was written are certainly welcome to bring history, facts, and the best knowledge about the hearts, minds and souls of our founding fathers and the religion, philosophy and science they absorbed during their lifetimes to make that case.

I will make the case for separate and “untied” because I am certain that all must agree that Protestant Christianity was deeply involved in just about every aspect of the British America’s colonial culture ever since the day a group of Protestant Christians, subjects of the King of England, came to the New World aboard the Arbella in 1630 hearing these words from Governor John Winthrop as they sailed across the Atlantic:

“Secondly for the work we have in hand. It is by a mutual consent, through a special overvaluing providence and a more than an ordinary approbation of the churches of Christ, to seek out a place of cohabitation and consortship under a due form of government both civil and ecclesiastical. In such cases as this, the care of the public must oversway all private respects, by which, not only conscience, but mere civil policy, doth bind us. For it is a true rule that particular estates cannot subsist in the ruin of the public.” https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf


Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United Stars of America.


The new founding influence was Deism. Here are a few paragraphs about that:

The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity. WRITTEN BY: David L. Holmes

The Founding Fathers, Deism, and Christianity

“The sweeping disagreement over the religious faiths of the Founders arises from a question of discrepancy. Did their private beliefs differ from the orthodox teachings of their churches? On the surface, most Founders appear to have been orthodox (or “right-believing”) Christians. Most were baptized, listed on church rolls, married to practicing Christians, and frequent or at least sporadic attenders of services of Christian worship. In public statements, most invoked divine assistance.”


“But the widespread existence in 18th-century America of a school of religious thought called Deism complicates the actual beliefs of the Founders. Drawing from the scientific and philosophical work of such figures as Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Isaac Newton, and John Locke, Deists argued that human experience and rationality—rather than religious dogma and mystery—determine the validity of human beliefs.”


“Thus, Deism inevitably subverted orthodox Christianity. Persons influenced by the movement had little reason to read the Bible, to pray, to attend church, or to participate in such rites as baptism, Holy Communion, and the laying on of hands (confirmation) by bishops.”


“But Deistic thought was immensely popular in colleges from the middle of the 18th into the 19th century. Thus, it influenced many educated (as well as uneducated) males of the Revolutionary generation. Although such men would generally continue their public affiliation with Christianity after college, they might inwardly hold unorthodox religious views. Depending on the extent to which Americans of Christian background were influenced by Deism, their religious beliefs would fall into three categories: non-Christian Deism, Christian Deism, and orthodox Christianity.”


Moving forward I will show how Deusm, Theism and Unitarianism, in the enlightened minds of sufficient numbers of our founding fathers is what brought about the new concept of separation of church and state thus ‘untying’ the knot between the US Federal Government and the dominate Protestant Christian Church and religion that Governor Winthrop brought to New England.

LMAO @ the Stupid Shit Leftist believe.

More history revisionist bullshit.

 

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#227 reply to #224

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Why do you keep contradicting yourself and ignoring the indisputable fact that the founding fathers were very successful at establishing freedom. That success included freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Still, the framers did not create enlightened multiculturalism. They were enlightened multiculturalists who made sure the dominating Protestant Christian majority in America could not ever infringe upon an individual’s right to practice a multicultural choice of any religion they found worthy or choose a multicultural dream come true of no religion at all.

How did I contradict myself?

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Why don't you ask the native Americans if the Founding Fathers established an enlightened multicultural? Answer that question.

 

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#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

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Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.
really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Freedom from what?

Read Locke.

 

[Mindful]

#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.
really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Freedom from what?

Read Locke.

What for?

 

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#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.
really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Freedom from what?

Read Locke.

What for?

The answer to your question.

 

[Mindful]

#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

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really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Freedom from what?

Read Locke.

What for?

The answer to your question.

Which was?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Our great framers never intended for this nation to be multicultural. They knew then what today’s statistics prove...that a whiter nation is a safer, likeminded, more productive nation. This isn’t even debatable.

leave to the board racist to make the point that White people are all of one culture.

believe me I’m white and I have nothing to do you and your culture of hate.

White Europeans, early settlers were very much of the same ‘culture’. You honestly didn’t know that?

 

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#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

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Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

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really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Freedom from what?

Read Locke.

What for?

The answer to your question.

Which was?

In this thread chain.

 

[Mindful]

#220

Your claim was the establishment clause proved...

America was founded as an enlightened multicultural Nation

It's the freaking title of the thread.

#221 reply to 220

You brought up the establishment clause in post #3 and keep bringing it up as if it’s the only thing you know about the founding of America. It more Demonstrates that America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation and not founded as the Christian nation you desire to be true.

#2

Yes, Christian settlers came to the New World with leaders such as Governor Winthrop to set up a Christian government tied to the British Crown.

All true, but one century later - an European and very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders who led during the Revolution and the founding of the United States of America.

You really cannot refute that a “very non-Christian influence engaged the minds of many of Colonial America’s leaders” can you? So your cockamamie argument devolved into the establishment made America a Christian Nation because half the states had a state religion when the establishment clause was ratified.



#3

The establishment clause was written expressly to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half the state had at the time of ratification. All of which were based upon Christianity. The belief in multiculturalism at the time of founding is a pipe dream.

Would you please explain why and how what you said in post #3 refutes the possibility that multiculturalism was prevalent before and when the Constitution was written. Those many critical leaders that were Deists and quite skeptical of “revealed religions” such as Christianity were not living the same culture as those that sat in pews on Sunday’s and sang Protestant Christian Hymns.

You were the one who said religious freedom was a sign of multiculturalism. I pointed out that the founding fathers allowed state established religions which negated your argument.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

.

Ask the native Americans if they believe America was founded as an enlightened multicultural nation.

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really, why not you and the other christians that murdered them whether or not it was the christians that included the establishment clause to protect their rights. to bad for you bing.

I didn't murder anyone. And just like there were Christians who opposed slavery there were Christians who opposed the treatment of native Americans.

But I'm glad you agree with my point that the Founding Fathers weren't trying to create an enlightened multicultural society. They were just trying to establish freedom.

Freedom from what?

Read Locke.

What for?

The answer to your question.

Which was?

In this thread chain.

Oh. Must have missed that.