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A healthier populace is good economics.
I don't care whether we consider it a "right" or not.
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A Rightie saying cost doesn't matter .. amazing.That doesn't matter. The problem with insurance isn't the overhead. It's our abuse of the insurance model. We're trying to use it as a general financing scheme, which is profoundly stupid. Insurance is a hedge against risk. Not a club you join to get access to health care bills.Medicare operates at a much lower overhead than private insurance, as would Medicare For All, and it works.Eight and a half minutes of education, with which most Americans won't bother.
It works great, it's ready to be scaled up.
Scaling it up would simply recreate all the problems of the traditional health care market. Single payer, implemented via Medicare-for-all or otherwise, is still insurance. Insurance is the problem, not the solution.
Someone is paying.A Rightie saying cost doesn't matter .. amazing.That doesn't matter. The problem with insurance isn't the overhead. It's our abuse of the insurance model. We're trying to use it as a general financing scheme, which is profoundly stupid. Insurance is a hedge against risk. Not a club you join to get access to health care bills.Medicare operates at a much lower overhead than private insurance, as would Medicare For All, and it works.Eight and a half minutes of education, with which most Americans won't bother.
It works great, it's ready to be scaled up.
Scaling it up would simply recreate all the problems of the traditional health care market. Single payer, implemented via Medicare-for-all or otherwise, is still insurance. Insurance is the problem, not the solution.
When we're dealing with inflation dynamics, overhead isn't the biggest problem. The problem with the health care market is that no one cares what health care costs because hardly anyone is paying for their own health care.
How so? Please explain. Then explain how it will work. How it will be implemented. Who gets to pay for it. And who will be exempt....Nope, we are going to move Canada here, because we don't do it right.
Even Bernie Sanders agreed that it ain't going to happen. The lobbyists are simply too strong.
It ain't going to happen today. It's coming though.
All socialized medicine is, is rationed care. Very sick and older patients are told to get their affairs in order.Canada, Mexico, Britian and most of the more respectable european nations have it.
1. 100% of all people have healthcare
2. Most of these nations spend less dollars. What do we get for $8,100/person??? Canada is far cheaper!!! They also don't allow their drug companies to jack up prices to take away peoples retirements.
3. No one is left dying while some rich mother fucker is getting millions of dollars off of the system. It is called a failure of the market system. Canada has shown us the way and it is time to dump this shit!!!!
What's funny is the reality that none of these other nations soak the people most in need as much as we do. And for what? Oh'yesss, so some ceo or board member can live like a king.
I say replace Obamacare with single payer!!! Do it now. I honestly don't understand why the republicans would want a system that been shown to fail and costs this nation so much.
All of those systems are collapsing...and the care sucks for the old.....if you are young and don't need care...they are great...old and need actual treatment...they suck....
Yes they are. Why do you think all those Euro Zone nations are near bankruptcy and in debt to Germany in the hundreds of billions of Euros?.....The debt from their respective socialized medicine programs is the largest contributor.No, 2aguy, the systems are not collapsing, the care for the old is competent, the young need good cae, too, and they live longer, are healthier, and the systems cost less per person.
You can stop your lying now.
Right. And you think that because the federal government which saw a problem, created a bureaucracy, made new policy, totally fucked a perfectly good system, is deserving of another chance....to fuck it up even more?.....Those are your silly words. ACA is only the first step trying to unscrew the American mess made by the Congress and health care industry the last forty years.Nope, we are going to move Canada here, because we don't do it right.
glad to see you finally are telling the truth about how the democrats screwed up healthcare.
The current system is typical of liberal policy.. That is to create a crisis, make new policy, present it as a solution, screw it up even more, then introduce a new policy to "fix" the screw up....A screw up THEY created in the first place.
Link?Yes they are. Why do you think all those Euro Zone nations are near bankruptcy and in debt to Germany in the hundreds of billions of Euros?.....The debt from their respective socialized medicine programs is the largest contributor.No, 2aguy, the systems are not collapsing, the care for the old is competent, the young need good cae, too, and they live longer, are healthier, and the systems cost less per person.
You can stop your lying now.
You can deny this all you like. It does not change the facts.
These countries have run out of people and things to tax.
It cost our economy more to have the market based system we had before the ACA then single payer does in every country it is tried.
How do you explain this?
One, it is going to happen, and, two, your question is immaterial to the issue.Believe what you wish. No one in government is going to touch the idea because the plan will be on the shoulders of less than half the population.Oh, it will happen, but since you are even older than Old Rocks and that gang, you may not live to see it.
Woudl you be in favor of single payer if even the lowest income earners had their taxes jacked up to confiscatory levels?
You make a silly statement.Medicare is efficient?.....Holy shit.Yeah because big centralized government works so well.Canada, Mexico, Britian and most of the more respectable european nations have it.
1. 100% of all people have healthcare
2. Most of these nations spend less dollars. What do we get for $8,100/person??? Canada is far cheaper!!! They also don't allow their drug companies to jack up prices to take away peoples retirements.
3. No one is left dying while some rich mother fucker is getting millions of dollars off of the system. It is called a failure of the market system. Canada has shown us the way and it is time to dump this shit!!!!
What's funny is the reality that none of these other nations soak the people most in need as much as we do. And for what? Oh'yesss, so some ceo or board member can live like a king.
I say replace Obamacare with single payer!!! Do it now. I honestly don't understand why the republicans would want a system that been shown to fail and costs this nation so much.
Only an idiot would believe such a thing.
Medicare is efficient with low overhead.
You keep making silly statements, and we are quite fortunate your type is not in charge of the government.Right. And you think that because the federal government which saw a problem, created a bureaucracy, made new policy, totally fucked a perfectly good system, is deserving of another chance....to fuck it up even more?.....Those are your silly words. ACA is only the first step trying to unscrew the American mess made by the Congress and health care industry the last forty years.Nope, we are going to move Canada here, because we don't do it right.
glad to see you finally are telling the truth about how the democrats screwed up healthcare.
The current system is typical of liberal policy.. That is to create a crisis, make new policy, present it as a solution, screw it up even more, then introduce a new policy to "fix" the screw up....A screw up THEY created in the first place.
You are gaslighting again: I am not liberal and your are not a mainstream Republican, thus what you think is immaterial.Ahh bullshit on you. Don't you dare call yourself anything but a liberal.astro turfing is a made up nonsense of the far right losers.
They can't win honestly so they lie. That has always been the way of the far right. They never win, they always lie.
The try to gaslight their way out and always get caught.
Canada, Mexico, Britian and most of the more respectable european nations have it.
1. 100% of all people have healthcare
2. Most of these nations spend less dollars. What do we get for $8,100/person??? Canada is far cheaper!!! They also don't allow their drug companies to jack up prices to take away peoples retirements.
3. No one is left dying while some rich mother fucker is getting millions of dollars off of the system. It is called a failure of the market system. Canada has shown us the way and it is time to dump this shit!!!!
What's funny is the reality that none of these other nations soak the people most in need as much as we do. And for what? Oh'yesss, so some ceo or board member can live like a king.
I say replace Obamacare with single payer!!! Do it now. I honestly don't understand why the republicans would want a system that been shown to fail and costs this nation so much.
One, how much do you pay per capita for health care?Canada, Mexico, Britian and most of the more respectable european nations have it.
1. 100% of all people have healthcare
2. Most of these nations spend less dollars. What do we get for $8,100/person??? Canada is far cheaper!!! They also don't allow their drug companies to jack up prices to take away peoples retirements.
3. No one is left dying while some rich mother fucker is getting millions of dollars off of the system. It is called a failure of the market system. Canada has shown us the way and it is time to dump this shit!!!!
What's funny is the reality that none of these other nations soak the people most in need as much as we do. And for what? Oh'yesss, so some ceo or board member can live like a king.
I say replace Obamacare with single payer!!! Do it now. I honestly don't understand why the republicans would want a system that been shown to fail and costs this nation so much.
You haven't researched much have you?
A few years back the government of Manitoba closed my ER. My funeral home is closer. And nothing is free. An ambulance ride is close to 300 bucks.
One, how much do you pay per capita for health care?Canada, Mexico, Britian and most of the more respectable european nations have it.
1. 100% of all people have healthcare
2. Most of these nations spend less dollars. What do we get for $8,100/person??? Canada is far cheaper!!! They also don't allow their drug companies to jack up prices to take away peoples retirements.
3. No one is left dying while some rich mother fucker is getting millions of dollars off of the system. It is called a failure of the market system. Canada has shown us the way and it is time to dump this shit!!!!
What's funny is the reality that none of these other nations soak the people most in need as much as we do. And for what? Oh'yesss, so some ceo or board member can live like a king.
I say replace Obamacare with single payer!!! Do it now. I honestly don't understand why the republicans would want a system that been shown to fail and costs this nation so much.
You haven't researched much have you?
A few years back the government of Manitoba closed my ER. My funeral home is closer. And nothing is free. An ambulance ride is close to 300 bucks.
Two, what is the average age of death?
Three, what is the percentage of Canadians that want to go an US style health care system?
Look at Paul Krugman learn about how successful Canadians think their HC system is great.