Amendment to return power to states with veto

[Quantum Windbag]

No, I think I'll pass

I support the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding." U.S. Const. art. VI, Paragraph 2

What is your problem with Amending the Constitution then? Or should we go back to the way it was before the Bill of Rights and the other amendments?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Great idea. If the 10th Amendment were complied with, this would not be necessary.

Tea Party Pushes Repeal Amendment to Give States Power Over Federal Government

"Under current law, states must go to court to overturn federal legislation and prove it violates the Constitution. The proposed amendment would give state legislatures veto power over any federal law or regulation they didn't like -- whether it passes constitutional muster or not:"

Nah, I think not. Let those facists get used to the American way of doing things with checks and balances.

The Amendment HAS checks and balances. It requires 2/3rds of the States to over turn or veto the legislation. Same as an amendment requires. Sorry to burst your bubble but if 37 States are so incensed by some legislation I would kindly suggest it be repelled.

No shit. It isn't like this will give a single state the power to ignore something they do not like. Getting two thirds of the states to agree to anything would be a major challenge.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If the Tea Party supports the Constitution like they continually claim they do....

Why do they keep trying to change it?

Another IDIOT. The amendment process is clearly defined and quite Constitutional. Why are YOU against the Constitution?

Ohh I forgot you are a liberal and think you can just ignore said Constitution when ever you please.

Again...If they love the Constitution

Why change it?

Because they do not love the government?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

As a real American I support my Constitution

No desire to change it

Then you are a retard. Amendment is clearly defined in the Constitution and is PART and PARCEL of said document. And unlike you liberals that keep ignoring the Constitution we Conservatives prefer to FOLLOW it and use the Constitution as written. You know instead of creating from whole cloth unconstitutional laws and powers we want to LEGALLY and CONSTITUTIONAL change the document as required by SAID DOCUMENT.

Conseratives are the ones constantly screaming to change the Constitution. Liberals love it just the way it is

Why do you hate America?

Bullshit.

Ever here of the Equal Rights Amendment? Do you think that was pushed by conservatives? Take a look at some of the proposed constitutional amendments on Wikipedia and I am sure you will see some others that are obviously proposed my liberals.

List of proposed amendments to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"Under current law, states must go to court to overturn federal legislation and prove it violates the Constitution. The proposed amendment would give state legislatures veto power over any federal law or regulation they didn't like -- whether it passes constitutional muster or not:"

Nah, I think not. Let those facists get used to the American way of doing things with checks and balances.

The Amendment HAS checks and balances. It requires 2/3rds of the States to over turn or veto the legislation. Same as an amendment requires. Sorry to burst your bubble but if 37 States are so incensed by some legislation I would kindly suggest it be repelled.

We already have checks and balances in the federal government, the three branches and my vote is enough. I don't need anything overturned, I need representatives who are responsible to the people.

Would you say the same thing if McCain and the Republicans had won, and thye had passed a law that took citizenship away from anyone who disagreed with them?

 

[shintao]

The Conservative Republicans, in their attempt to seize power in this country have their eyes on destroying our beloved Constitution and rewriting it to their twisted agenda. They seek to destroy our Constitution by:

1. Eliminating separation of Church and State
2. Denying equal protection of the laws based on sexuality
3. Removing the right of the PEOPLE to elect Senators
4. Denying citizenship to those born in the US
5. Prohibiting the Government to raise revenue
6. Aboloshing the Supremacy Clause and our basic structure of Government

7.Eliminating the 1st Amendment
8.Eliminating the 2nd Amendment
9.Eliminating the 4th Amendment
10.Restricting private rights & liberties
11.Eliminating the General Welfare Clause
12.Turning the country into a rouge nation
13.Causing civil unrest & destroying tranquility

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Do you know what Amendments are? Do you want them all repealed?

Feel like a Constitutional Convention? Go for it.

Do you need a Constitutional Convention to amend the Constitution?

Nope.

 

[Liberty]

Shintao...you need professional help.

 

[ThePatriot]

The Conservative Republicans, in their attempt to seize power in this country have their eyes on destroying our beloved Constitution and rewriting it to their twisted agenda. They seek to destroy our Constitution by:

1. Eliminating separation of Church and State
2. Denying equal protection of the laws based on sexuality
3. Removing the right of the PEOPLE to elect Senators
4. Denying citizenship to those born in the US
5. Prohibiting the Government to raise revenue
6. Aboloshing the Supremacy Clause and our basic structure of Government

7.Eliminating the 1st Amendment
8.Eliminating the 2nd Amendment
9.Eliminating the 4th Amendment
10.Restricting private rights & liberties
11.Eliminating the General Welfare Clause
12.Turning the country into a rouge nation
13.Causing civil unrest & destroying tranquility

Do you know how ignorant this is. I could go search what the most radical liberals are pushing for too and the democrats would look like Hitler. Socialism is one of the most anti-american values circulating, yet you see liberals pushing for it

 

[Revere]

The Conservative Republicans, in their attempt to seize power in this country have their eyes on destroying our beloved Constitution and rewriting it to their twisted agenda. They seek to destroy our Constitution by:

1. Eliminating separation of Church and State
2. Denying equal protection of the laws based on sexuality
3. Removing the right of the PEOPLE to elect Senators
4. Denying citizenship to those born in the US
5. Prohibiting the Government to raise revenue
6. Aboloshing the Supremacy Clause and our basic structure of Government

7.Eliminating the 1st Amendment
8.Eliminating the 2nd Amendment
9.Eliminating the 4th Amendment
10.Restricting private rights & liberties
11.Eliminating the General Welfare Clause
12.Turning the country into a rouge nation
13.Causing civil unrest & destroying tranquility

The Constitution doesn't protect any of the crap he mentioned.

 

[rdean]

If the Tea Party supports the Constitution like they continually claim they do....

Why do they keep trying to change it?

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Mortensen said his admiration for the loose assemblage of vague half-notions he calls the Constitution has only grown over time. He believes that each detail he has pulled from thin air—from prohibitions on sodomy and flag-burning, to mandatory crackdowns on immigrants, to the right of citizens not to have their hard-earned income confiscated in the form of taxes—has contributed to making it the best framework for governance "since the Ten Commandments."

"And let's not forget that when the Constitution was ratified it brought freedom to every single American," Mortensen said.

Don't forget, Fox News gets it's info from the "Onion".

 

[shintao]

The Amendment HAS checks and balances. It requires 2/3rds of the States to over turn or veto the legislation. Same as an amendment requires. Sorry to burst your bubble but if 37 States are so incensed by some legislation I would kindly suggest it be repelled.

We already have checks and balances in the federal government, the three branches and my vote is enough. I don't need anything overturned, I need representatives who are responsible to the people.

Would you say the same thing if McCain and the Republicans had won, and thye had passed a law that took citizenship away from anyone who disagreed with them?

I am afraid so amigo. I can't help if you want to vote in people who would turn America into a criminal dictatorship that preempts wars, and opens up it own butcher shop to torture, rape, and murder innocent chained & detained women & children. That is the way America works. We have enough checks & balances and don't need to add another layer to it. What we do need to do is vote them out of office. If you aren't willing to do that, then expect what we both get. It is certainly time to do that, considering we have a T-Party of upset individuals, but then they turned out to be as bad as republicans.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

As a real American I support my Constitution

No desire to change it

Then you are a retard. Amendment is clearly defined in the Constitution and is PART and PARCEL of said document. And unlike you liberals that keep ignoring the Constitution we Conservatives prefer to FOLLOW it and use the Constitution as written. You know instead of creating from whole cloth unconstitutional laws and powers we want to LEGALLY and CONSTITUTIONAL change the document as required by SAID DOCUMENT.

Conseratives are the ones constantly screaming to change the Constitution. Liberals love it just the way it is

Why do you hate America?

Straight up LIE. You IGNORE the Constitution. Instead of using the Amendment process to add your desired powers you just illegally pass laws to do it unconstitutionally. Moron.

 

[Liability]

Great idea. If the 10th Amendment were complied with, this would not be necessary.

Tea Party Pushes Repeal Amendment to Give States Power Over Federal Government

"Any provision of law or regulation of the United States may be repealed by the several states, and such repeal shall be effective when the legislatures of two-thirds of the several states approve resolutions for this purpose that particularly describe the same provision or provisions of law or regulation to be repealed."

state's rights..............haha, let's regress to 1850 and fight the civil war all over again.

The idea of a FEDERAL Republic does not equate with any need to fight the civil war again.

We are a FEDERAL Republic. The United States of America consists of 50 sovereign states. The States AND the People have agreed, collectively, to cede certain LIMITED and carefully ENUMERATED powers and authorities to the Federal government. The States did not cease to exist upon agreeing to this arrangement. Indeed, it can be very well said that the Federal government exists only by the leave of the States and the People.

It's not clear what you are on about, bag. But you seem not to grasp the very fundamental nature of the civil society in which we live.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Real Americans love our Constitution

Only Conservatives keep a wish list of what they want to repeal

It's because of the love I have for the Constitution that we need to repeal the amendments that are destroying the Republic. I know you are trying to play on emotions. But that's because you don't have the argument and you know it.

REAL Americans love the Constitution and don't want it changed.

Only Conservatives feel threatened by the Constitution as it is today and seek to tear it apart

You are a FUCKING IDIOT. Once again for the slow stupid and insane, AMENDMENTS are part and parcel of the Constitution.

You keep claiming that anyone that supports an amendment is unamerican, does that mean you support Slavery, that you want the voting age to return to 21, that women should not have the right to vote? That Senators should be chosen by the States? There should be no Income Tax? That we should not have freedom of speech , freedom of religion, freedom of the press? Troops should be able to be housed in our homes without our permission? No 5th amendment right? No 4th Amendment right? That the Courts should be able to assign punishment that is cruel and or unusual?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

As a real American I support my Constitution

No desire to change it

So you're pretty much okay with that whole 3/5's of a person thingy?

I said..the way it is..not was

It is the way it is BECAUSE OF 27 Amendments yo0u fucking RETARD. And you oppose all amendments RIGHT?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The 3/5ths compromise in fact gave the South disproportionate power. Why, first of all, do you assume that the North was somehow in control of what went into the Constitution?

And while we're at it, do you understand what the word 'compromise' means?

Tell us what it means if you do.

the 3/5ths happened after the constitution was ratified and it was to compromise with the south while keeping majority in congress in the north to eventually abolish the practice. I can't believe i am educating you on something that your precious public school completely failed you on.

Okay, show me where when and how the 3/5th's compromise was put into the Constitution AFTER ratification.

With some semblance of a reliable source...

Anyone want to help Liberty out with this one?

 

[snjmom]

Having a majority of States able to overturn the will of a majority of individuals is the essence of checks and balances in a Republic.

I like this idea. It re-asserts the power of the rights of states and diminishes the audacity of the Washington elites.

That has got to be one of the most schizophrenic statements I have witnessed on the interwebs. Are you advocating that States should be able to gang up on individuals?

And seriously, 3/5 was in favor of the South, absolutely. It's the equivalent of my congressman being able to count 1/2 the cars in our district for representation.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Right loves states' rights, except when they don't.

Except when they want to do things like amend the Constitution to federally ban abortion, or federally define marriage. Then, fuck the states.

 

[Liberty]

i messed up on that specific statement. It was in order to get the southern states to ratify, but the method was to accelerate the inevitability of emancipation and abolition, not to strengthen the southern states or provide them with future opportunities to become stronger in both their state and federal seats.