All the House GOP and the President - what an unfair advantage!!!

[CrusaderFrank]

The above is a perfect example of what makes forum rightwingers such a marvel. There was not an iota of condescension from Obama towards Pence. The claim is nothing more than an outright fabrication.

Yes, the wingnuts would like for Obama to have been condescending to one of their wingnut demi-gods, Pence, but, no , he wasn't, so what do they do?

They just make it up. They just craft a fantasy from whole cloth on the spot. lol, problem solved.

Puh-leeze.

"OBAMA: Here's what I'm going to do, Mike: What I'm going to do is I'm going to take a look at what you guys are proposing.

And the reason -- the reason I say this, you know, before you say OK, I think it is -- I think is important to note, you know, what you may consider across-the-board tax cuts could be, for example, greater tax cuts for people who are making a billion dollars. I may not agree to a tax cut for Warren Buffett. You may be calling for a (sic) across-the-board tax cut for the banking industry right now. I may not agree to that.

So, you know, I think that we've got to look at what specific proposals you're putting forward.

And -- this is the last point I'll make -- if you're calling for just across-the-board tax cuts and then, on the other hand, saying that we're somehow going to balance our budget, I'm going to want to take a look at your math and see how that -- how that works. Because the issue of deficit and debt is another area where there has been a tendency for some inconsistent statements.

How's that? All right?"

Read more: President Obama Addresses The Republican Retreat (Transcript) - Swampland - TIME.com



And that's without the smarmy mannerisms Obama treated us to earlier today. Mike Pence is a U.S. Congressman, not a grade schooler who needs clarification on what "across the board tax cuts" means or needs his math homework checked.

OK then explain to us how you cut the deficit with tax cuts.

You are aware that the deficit is caused by not enough tax revenue to cover the expenses right?

So if you cut the income, how do you pay the bills?

Totally fucking clueless.

The Federal Government is NOT the US economy. Did you know that?

Cut income? WHAT?

I may have to put you on ignore.

What a fucking moron

 

[Murf76]

JFK (the real one, not that moron Joun Fn Kerry) said it pretty well: "A rising tide lifts all boats."

Cut the fuckin' taxes and you stimulate the economy. Stimulate the economy and corporations and people make money. Taxed at a fairer rate (i.e., lower rate) the increase in earnings generates more tax revenues than a higher tax rate with lower earnings.

Hope that helps. If not, take it up with President Kennedy.

Exactly. The Laffer Curve. And it has a history of working well to bring up revenues through general economic prosperity.

That said, I don't think it can work on its own this time. The business climate is for shit right now, with producers uncertain of the future due to all this crazy socialist policy being proffered by Obama and his Merry Band of Looters. They're going to have to back off their disastrous policies and make employers believe they mean it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

OK, maybe I'm too mean to Queen, she's probably a high school student and just parroting the crap she's taught in school. I don't think you can be older that 16 and still have all these zany, Socialist idea and still believe they're 'real'

 

[Political Junky]

OK, maybe I'm too mean to Queen, she's probably a high school student and just parroting the crap she's taught in school. I don't think you can be older that 16 and still have all these zany, Socialist idea and still believe they're 'real'

What's your excuse? Do you just accept all the con talking points?

 

[VaYank5150]

OK, maybe I'm too mean to Queen, she's probably a high school student and just parroting the crap she's taught in school. I don't think you can be older that 16 and still have all these zany, Socialist idea and still believe they're 'real'

What's your excuse? Do you just accept all the con talking points?

Yes he does.

 

[beowolfe]

After watching the 'teleprompter'-less Commander in Chief take on a room full of House Republicans at their retreat, it's clear their was an unfair advantage....

They needed a lot more Republicans!

Point, set, match...Obama

Obama was toying with them. Took their best shots and destroyed them with his reply.

And the Republicans expect to win in 2012?

Paraphrased:

"Mr. President. Your administration continually claims that the GOP never offer up ideas. Seeing as we have, maybe you should ask the Speaker why those ideas have never reached your desk"

After a few seconds of "deer in headlights stare"....

"they HAVE been put on my desk"

"Then why does your administration continually say we have not offered any ideas?"

After a few more seconds of deer in headlight stare....

"Becuase I do not see that your ideas will work"

So in other words...

He lieves having ideas that he does not agree with is the same as not having ideas at all.
NOThe exchange spoke voumes of what he is all about..

"My way or the highway"

I've gotta tell you. I've seen some of the GOP proposals and they wouldn't work. Their first health care proposal could have been written by a fifth grader. The second one, if translated, basically would offer a lot of money to the insurance companies with the hope they could and would fix the current system. Now, I'm not crazy about what the Dims have come up with, either House of Senate; but I have to say, a whole lot more thought went into those than either of the GOP plans.

IMO, the GOP has not been seriously about solutions because of their stated desire to see this administration fail. To me, GOP words and actions say 'we want to be back in control and we'll not cooperate with the Dems and count on the what they hope is the short-sightedness of the American people to put them back in charge.

 

[beowolfe]

JFK (the real one, not that moron Joun Fn Kerry) said it pretty well: "A rising tide lifts all boats."

Cut the fuckin' taxes and you stimulate the economy. Stimulate the economy and corporations and people make money. Taxed at a fairer rate (i.e., lower rate) the increase in earnings generates more tax revenues than a higher tax rate with lower earnings.

Hope that helps. If not, take it up with President Kennedy.

Exactly. The Laffer Curve. And it has a history of working well to bring up revenues through general economic prosperity.

That said, I don't think it can work on its own this time. The business climate is for shit right now, with producers uncertain of the future due to all this crazy socialist policy being proffered by Obama and his Merry Band of Looters. They're going to have to back off their disastrous policies and make employers believe they mean it.

We did this for 8 consecutive year and ended up with an economy going off the cliff while corporations made tons of money. Our system is based on the premise that American companies in seeking profits will do it in such a way that it creates wealth for the general economy. If events of the past decade are the new reality; it seems that that premise is no longer valid. Companies appear to have discovered a way to enrich share holders, w/o creating jobs or increasing wages.

 

[Murf76]

We did this for 8 consecutive year and ended up with an economy going off the cliff while corporations made tons of money. Our system is based on the premise that American companies in seeking profits will do it in such a way that it creates wealth for the general economy. If events of the past decade are the new reality; it seems that that premise is no longer valid. Companies appear to have discovered a way to enrich share holders, w/o creating jobs or increasing wages.

So, your assertion is... that the Bush Tax Cuts, which Obama has extended, are the reason our economy has gone "off the cliff", notwithstanding the fact that we've got the second highest corporate tax rate in the world? It couldn't have anything to do with the abject FAILURE of our Congress to properly regulate lending, nothing to do with the cost of two wars, 9/11, or Katrina?

C'mon. Seriously?



And on that note... I'm for bed. There's only so much silliness one can stand without rest.

 

[Avatar4321]

Obama came off as level headed and willing to work with the other side.

GOP came off as a bunch of assholes

President Obama came off as making an effort to "deal with" those GOP congresspersons who are the root of all evil. But, still, he's the one who made the overture, so he gets some brownie points, I guess.

The GOP, however, did not even remotely come off as assholes. They came off as having some legitimate questions and grievances. And by allowing them this public air time (which the Obama-oriented liberally biased main stream media never covers very much), those grievances and a bit of the truth got revealed. This might not be such a stellar moment for the liberal Democrat Parody in the long run, therefore.

I disagree. The GOP made the overtures. They are the ones who invited him to the table.

 

[Avatar4321]

OK then explain to us how you cut the deficit with tax cuts.

You are aware that the deficit is caused by not enough tax revenue to cover the expenses right?

So if you cut the income, how do you pay the bills?

Actually it's pretty easy to cut taxes and the deficit.

It's called: You stop spending.

You stop wasting money on uncosntitutional programs and programs that dont work and return the money to the debtors and the people.

How on earth are you not homeless?

BTW taxes are not the governments income. Taxes are the money every single citizen is forced to pony up on the threat of force by a government that is supposed to listen to those who pay taxes.

No taxation without representation. If the politicians dont want to listen to us, they shouldnt be allowed to take our money.

 

[EriktheRed]

I feel like I must've saw a different event than what our resident libs witnessed. What I saw was a guy who was utterly condescending in his manner, arrogant, and evasive. By the last question, he was so visibly angry, the tip of his nose was turning red.

This guy thinks he's King. He treated our ELECTED representatives with the disrespect of one who believes he has authority when in actuality he has none. The legislative branch is not his to chastise, just as night before last, the judicial branch was not his to chastise.

Barack Obama has no history of real bipartisanship. Even during his short stint as a U.S. Senator the only bipartisan effort he made was on nuclear proliferation, not exactly a monumentally divisive subject.

His lip service to bipartisanship is just that... unless and until it's supported by REAL ACTION. And while I hate to be a wet blanket for people who are celebrating the fact that Obama didn't trip over his own tongue off-prompter as he usually does... he's no winner. The "Party of No Ideas" meme died today. The denial that Republicans have presented ideas won't fly anymore. It's been exposed for the lie it was.

Further, HE is not the one who gets to decide if those ideas have merit or not. That's for the legislative branch to DEBATE. His arrogance and impertinence at making pronouncements from upon high regarding what will work and is therefore worthy of debate and what will not is exposed.

Well, I saw a guy give some good answers to questions that were fielded to him and then come right back and point out what a bunch of hypocrites they are for reflexively going against measures he pushes that they themselves supported in the past. I also saw him rightly point out how hypocritical it was for them bash his stimulus package and then celebrate the fruits of it in their home states.


And again, he didn't need a teleprompter to do it, either.

You obviously don't know the definition of "condescending". But if you'd take your lips off his ass, you'd have the chance to get a dictionary and look it up.

Actually, I do know, and if you took off your FOX-tinted ODS glasses, you'd see he really wasn't.

 

[EriktheRed]

I'm not feigning any surprise, I fully expected they wouldn't be supporting him. Right now, I'm mainly just amused that all you guys can really do is focus on his manner, but you don't have much to say about how he explained his postions or how he pointed out the hypocritical behavior of the opposition.


Btw, what makes either of you guys so sure the rest of the country is gonna see this the way you apparently see it?

Only about 21% of Americans self-identify as "Liberals". Twice that number say they're "Conservatives". And he's already proved three times this past year that his political capitol is worthless, most recently in Massachusetts. Independents aren't going to carry his water for him like the kool-aid swilling left will.

And you're really that sure that self-identified "independents" are gonna see the same Pres. Obama that you say you did.

 

[WillowTree]

You can't compromise with a Marxist Ideologue

Stay on topic. This is about American politics. Obama isn't an ideologue.

LOL! He even said so today.

But of course FOX probably cut that part out too.

He's not a Marxist either. That's just another right wing lie/talking point. All the ignorant idiots who don't know what Marxism is, believe it, they just know it's something bad. LOL! Knuckleheads.

He is a marxist through and through.

 

[paperview]

Obama Goes To GOP Lions' Den -- And Mauls The Lions

"Whether it was chutzpah, political savvy, or both, it certainly was refreshing.

Reporters were thrilled with the British Parliament-style exchange between president and lawmakers. The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder asked that forums like these be held monthly. The Nation's Chris Hayes suggested Obama next go before the progressive caucus. Ezra Klein of the Washington Post labeled it "the most compelling political television I've seen...maybe ever.
NBC's Chuck Todd added: "The president should hold Congressional 'town halls' more often. Public needs to see this if they'll ever trust Washington again."

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm not feigning any surprise, I fully expected they wouldn't be supporting him. Right now, I'm mainly just amused that all you guys can really do is focus on his manner, but you don't have much to say about how he explained his postions or how he pointed out the hypocritical behavior of the opposition.


Btw, what makes either of you guys so sure the rest of the country is gonna see this the way you apparently see it?

Only about 21% of Americans self-identify as "Liberals". Twice that number say they're "Conservatives". And he's already proved three times this past year that his political capitol is worthless, most recently in Massachusetts. Independents aren't going to carry his water for him like the kool-aid swilling left will.

And you're really that sure that self-identified "independents" are gonna see the same Pres. Obama that you say you did.

Two words: Senator Brown (R-MA)

 

[Bfgrn]

But But...I thought he was "reaching out?" He should be preaching to and scolding the partisan hacks in his own party. They're the ones locking people out of meeting rooms. Why should the Republicans be Bi-Partisan now? This President and this Democrat controlled Congress have been by far the most bitter partisan hacks in History. Maybe the Republicans should just stay locked out and watch this Democrat Titanic sink to the bottom? Their whole "Bi-Partisanship" routine just seems so disingenuous at this point. Give the Republicans a good reason to go back to the meetings and then maybe we can talk. Preachy lectures just aren't gonna cut it.

Umm, many dems haven't voted for healthcare reform, so how does that make them "partisan hacks". Funny, I didn't hear any complaint when Republicans had meetings when they had majority and didn't even include dems at all. What you don't know is how the republicans were acting in those meetings. maybe they had a good reason if the republicans went off on dishonest tirades like you see so many of their supporters do on here

smartest thing you said here was "WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW"....which is exactly the point. YOU DON'T KNOW.

How many closed door meetings did the Republicans have about healthcare in the last adminstration anyway? Well, it really doesn't matter...I don't recall Mr. Bush ever promising multiple times on TV that he was going to have the most transparent administration ever...I don't recall him saying anything about holding all meetings on CSPAN. I DO, however, seem to remember that Mr. Obama did promise such things and that there would be NO back room deal making swaps with no media allowed. I recall also that he said he would work TIRELESSLY to listen to both sides of the isle when it comes to healthcare.

NONE...why would anyone have a meeting to discuss something they had no intention addressing?

 

[Bfgrn]

The above is a perfect example of what makes forum rightwingers such a marvel. There was not an iota of condescension from Obama towards Pence. The claim is nothing more than an outright fabrication.

Yes, the wingnuts would like for Obama to have been condescending to one of their wingnut demi-gods, Pence, but, no , he wasn't, so what do they do?

They just make it up. They just craft a fantasy from whole cloth on the spot. lol, problem solved.

Puh-leeze.

"OBAMA: Here's what I'm going to do, Mike: What I'm going to do is I'm going to take a look at what you guys are proposing.

And the reason -- the reason I say this, you know, before you say OK, I think it is -- I think is important to note, you know, what you may consider across-the-board tax cuts could be, for example, greater tax cuts for people who are making a billion dollars. I may not agree to a tax cut for Warren Buffett. You may be calling for a (sic) across-the-board tax cut for the banking industry right now. I may not agree to that.

So, you know, I think that we've got to look at what specific proposals you're putting forward.

And -- this is the last point I'll make -- if you're calling for just across-the-board tax cuts and then, on the other hand, saying that we're somehow going to balance our budget, I'm going to want to take a look at your math and see how that -- how that works. Because the issue of deficit and debt is another area where there has been a tendency for some inconsistent statements.

How's that? All right?"

Read more: President Obama Addresses The Republican Retreat (Transcript) - Swampland - TIME.com



And that's without the smarmy mannerisms Obama treated us to earlier today. Mike Pence is a U.S. Congressman, not a grade schooler who needs clarification on what "across the board tax cuts" means or needs his math homework checked.

No, Mike Pense IS a grade schooler posing as an adult. Simple math: You want to cut taxes across the board? Then forget about ever balancing the budget. You want to cut taxes across the board while revenues are drastically declining and still balance the budget? Guess what goes?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama Goes To GOP Lions' Den -- And Mauls The Lions

"Whether it was chutzpah, political savvy, or both, it certainly was refreshing.

Reporters were thrilled with the British Parliament-style exchange between president and lawmakers. The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder asked that forums like these be held monthly. The Nation's Chris Hayes suggested Obama next go before the progressive caucus. Ezra Klein of the Washington Post labeled it "the most compelling political television I've seen...maybe ever.
NBC's Chuck Todd added: "The president should hold Congressional 'town halls' more often. Public needs to see this if they'll ever trust Washington again."

I agree, I didn't watch it, but it can only be good for the public to see Democracy in action or Democracy inaction

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LOL

Big chart and still confusing tax cut with revenue cut

LOL

Hard to talk to someone when they come out wrong in the trillions column

 

[Bfgrn]

Puh-leeze.

"OBAMA: Here's what I'm going to do, Mike: What I'm going to do is I'm going to take a look at what you guys are proposing.

And the reason -- the reason I say this, you know, before you say OK, I think it is -- I think is important to note, you know, what you may consider across-the-board tax cuts could be, for example, greater tax cuts for people who are making a billion dollars. I may not agree to a tax cut for Warren Buffett. You may be calling for a (sic) across-the-board tax cut for the banking industry right now. I may not agree to that.

So, you know, I think that we've got to look at what specific proposals you're putting forward.

And -- this is the last point I'll make -- if you're calling for just across-the-board tax cuts and then, on the other hand, saying that we're somehow going to balance our budget, I'm going to want to take a look at your math and see how that -- how that works. Because the issue of deficit and debt is another area where there has been a tendency for some inconsistent statements.

How's that? All right?"

Read more: President Obama Addresses The Republican Retreat (Transcript) - Swampland - TIME.com



And that's without the smarmy mannerisms Obama treated us to earlier today. Mike Pence is a U.S. Congressman, not a grade schooler who needs clarification on what "across the board tax cuts" means or needs his math homework checked.

OK then explain to us how you cut the deficit with tax cuts.

JFK (the real one, not that moron John Fn Kerry) said it pretty well: "A rising tide lifts all boats."

Cut the fuckin' taxes and you stimulate the economy. Stimulate the economy and corporations and people make money. Taxed at a fairer rate (i.e., lower rate) the increase in earnings generates more tax revenues than a higher tax rate with lower earnings.

Hope that helps. If not, take it up with President Kennedy.

OK...President Kennedy's name did come up. Mikey Pence said President Kennedy was for tax cuts. President Obama was very, very kind to little Mikey...he could have embarrassed the kid...

When President Kennedy proposed tax cuts, the tax rates in place in 1962 still were tax rates implemented to pay off the cost of WWII. They were very high...

Top US Marginal Income Tax Rates, 1913--2003 (TruthAndPolitics.org)

After taxes went up during the Eisenhower administration, Democrats lowered them starting in 1964.

Today we face frighteningly large deficits in the next generation, whereas Kennedy and Johnson thought they faced frighteningly large surpluses.

Why JFK Cut Taxes